Adults Only restrictions

Hi,

(First post here, yay)

Anyway, we're travelling on the Diamond in Sept and my daughter asked the question: "If we're paying Adult prices for everything does that mean we can go in the Adult Only area? (ie the Sanctuary)"

She's 14 and I thought it was a fairly good question.

Knowing some Countries don't class anyone under 21 as an Adult, the 'legal' age in Oz for Alcohol is 18.

So, yeah, if she's paying the same as any Adult then WHY can't she go in the Sanctuary area?

Rock

She is too young for the Sanctuary, and would not be allowed. However, adults are not allowed in the teen club, so it's a wash. Sounds like you have a smart 14 year old. Pretty awesome that she's paying her own fare!

My baby granddaughter pays the same fare I do. I don't expect to take her into the Sanctuary or buy her a martini. The size of the fare has nothing to do with it.

I wasn't aware Princess has fares based on age, i.e., "adult price." Never heard of that. A passenger is a passenger is a passenger regardless of age. There are 3rd and 4th passenger fares but those have nothing to do with the age of the passenger. They could be 6-months or 90 years old.

The Sanctuary is "adults only" which is pretty clear. Kids have their own areas which are not open to adults.

It is interesting that the Princess Cruises state "Fares are per person based on two adults sharing". Why do they specify "adults" when they are simply referring to "anyone"?

Regards John

It is interesting that the Princess Cruises state "Fares are per person based on two adults sharing". Why do they specify "adults" when they are simply referring to "anyone"?

 

Regards John

It may be miss worded, but I doubt that every possible combination could be listed. It is probably in some legalese some place in their contract.

For instance, two small children could not "buy" a stateroom by themselves without an adult present. The combinations are too numerous to list (or I don't want to do the permutations).

Hi,

 

(First post here, yay)

 

Anyway, we're travelling on the Diamond in Sept and my daughter asked the question: "If we're paying Adult prices for everything does that mean we can go in the Adult Only area? (ie the Sanctuary)"

She's 14 and I thought it was a fairly good question.

Knowing some Countries don't class anyone under 21 as an Adult, the 'legal' age in Oz for Alcohol is 18.

So, yeah, if she's paying the same as any Adult then WHY can't she go in the Sanctuary area?

 

Rock

For the same reason she can't drink alcohol. It's for Adults only.

It may be miss worded, but I doubt that every possible combination could be listed. It is probably in some legalese some place in their contract.

 

For instance, two small children could not "buy" a stateroom by themselves without an adult present. The combinations are too numerous to list (or I don't want to do the permutations).

"Fares are per person based on two passengers sharing a cabin" would make sense and most other lines seem to adopt this type of phrase.

Eligibility of who may book a cruise is given in another clause stating age requirements of minimum age required for someone to actually make a booking. Age limitations on who may occupy a cabin and travel, relating to first or second cabin, are also stated in another clause. These latter clauses prevent young people booking or occupying cabins outside the cruise lines rules and in my opinion make the original "Fares" clause a bit misleading.

Regards John

Hi,

 

(First post here, yay)

 

Anyway, we're travelling on the Diamond in Sept and my daughter asked the question: "If we're paying Adult prices for everything does that mean we can go in the Adult Only area? (ie the Sanctuary)"

She's 14 and I thought it was a fairly good question.

Knowing some Countries don't class anyone under 21 as an Adult, the 'legal' age in Oz for Alcohol is 18.

So, yeah, if she's paying the same as any Adult then WHY can't she go in the Sanctuary area?

 

Rock

Princess' policy is that you must be 18 years old to use The Sanctuary. The Sanctuary isn't the only age restricted area on the ship, some others are the casino, spa, Japanese baths, fitness center, youth centers, adult pools, all with varied age requirements. It has nothing to do with fares. Fares are not age based, they are berth based.

I could be wrong but we booked a 4 berth cabin and had to list everyone's ages. The kids (6,10) were slightly cheaper than the standard 3rd and 4th passenger fare due to being children (it was roughly $100 less each). It may depend on ages though (I.e under 12?) or number of children on board - we were told Princess limits numbers to that which can be accommodated in the relevant kids club.

Hi,

 

(First post here, yay)

 

Anyway, we're travelling on the Diamond in Sept and my daughter asked the question: "If we're paying Adult prices for everything does that mean we can go in the Adult Only area? (ie the Sanctuary)"

She's 14 and I thought it was a fairly good question.

Knowing some Countries don't class anyone under 21 as an Adult, the 'legal' age in Oz for Alcohol is 18.

So, yeah, if she's paying the same as any Adult then WHY can't she go in the Sanctuary area?

 

Rock

No.....

Because its for adults only.

I could be wrong but we booked a 4 berth cabin and had to list everyone's ages. The kids (6,10) were slightly cheaper than the standard 3rd and 4th passenger fare due to being children (it was roughly $100 less each). It may depend on ages though (I.e under 12?) or number of children on board - we were told Princess limits numbers to that which can be accommodated in the relevant kids club.

That (3rd/4th) type of pricing can be very erratic. Many years ago child prices were very prevalent. Then it went to full fare for 1,2,3,and 4. Now it seems on some cruises they are lowering prices for the 3rd and 4th again.

I have to say I have not seen different prices on the same cruise for a 3rd or 4th passenger due to age. It was one price. I have not seen where you could give a passengers age and then get a different price. :confused:

Maybe a Princess Australia thing?

Yes it is capacity controlled

I could be wrong but we booked a 4 berth cabin and had to list everyone's ages. The kids (6,10) were slightly cheaper than the standard 3rd and 4th passenger fare due to being children (it was roughly $100 less each). It may depend on ages though (I.e under 12?) or number of children on board - we were told Princess limits numbers to that which can be accommodated in the relevant kids club.

In the past I have seen 3rd & 4th berth children's promo fares. as well as some special 3rd & 4th berth any age fares. Some lines probably still have them and Princess or maybe even some T.A. groups may also offer some special promos on certain cruises. But, on most cruises fares are determined by the berth and not by age.

In the past I have seen 3rd & 4th berth children's promo fares. as well as some special 3rd & 4th berth any age fares. Some lines probably still have them and Princess or maybe even some T.A. groups may also offer some special promos on certain cruises. But, on most cruises fares are determined by the berth and not by age.

I think (so I'm just guessing, mind you) that they ask for the children's age so they get an advance idea of how many kids will be in the kids' activities (rather than simply ask for 0 to 2 and 3 to 17). Maybe the way to tell will be to plug in different ages in the online booking engine, but in the past, I've only inputted my girl's age she'll be on the cruise to get the third passenger rate.

It is interesting that the Princess Cruises state "Fares are per person based on two adults sharing". Why do they specify "adults" when they are simply referring to "anyone"?

Clunky wording on the Princess website does not translate to minors can go into the Sanctuary, casino, or drink cocktails in Skywalkers.

Lesson for a 14 year old passenger- there are rules and guidelines on a cruise ship and just about everywhere in society.

Her fare is paying for her share of the cabin,steward service,food,pools,teen programs,some entertainment (age restrictions apply) and transportation among other things provided by the cruiseline.

I would not object from being refused entry to the teen area because of my age (well.over 21).

I realize that area is age restricted and rightly so.

As others have said here on this forum, I would not expect to see a teenager at a roulette table,bar or adult comedy show so,why would I see a teenager in the Sanctuary?

I have DD's who are 14 and 18. They have been on 10 Princess cruises and we have never gotten a price break for their being children. Now the 18 year old can use the Sanctuary, get spa treatments, use the Spa pool, and on our Baltic cruise out of Southampton she was even old enough to drink alcohol. She also got her own Platinum card and her own allotment of Platinum internet minutes.

However one thing she could no longer do was to participate in the teen program. She had participated in the teen programs since she was 13 and she missed having an easy way to meet others her age.

All in all though, she is happy to be considered a "legal" adult. And she would be the first one to tell her younger sister she has to wait her turn for the perks that go with adult status.

I think (so I'm just guessing' date=' mind you) that they ask for the children's age so they get an advance idea of how many kids will be in the kids' activities (rather than simply ask for 0 to 2 and 3 to 17). Maybe the way to tell will be to plug in different ages in the online booking engine, but in the past, I've only inputted my girl's age she'll be on the cruise to get the third passenger rate.[/quote']

 

Sooner or later they ask for the age of everybody in the cabin, not just the children.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against having an area where bratty kids are not welcome, I guess it's just that with this whole trip (the Cruise is only half of the trip) we're having to pay Adult price for the kids where most of the time they don't get the full benefit, eg, a rollaway in the hotel is not worthy of an adult fare imo.

I can understand kids aren't allowed in the bar areas due to Licencing, same with the gambling areas, but really, how can a restriction be placed on an area purely because people don't like certain clientele?

My daughter is a mature teenager who behaves far more mature than many Adult 'yahoo's' I've seen around the pool area, so really, who is the child here?

Please don't take this too seriously as it's just a bit of fun conversation.

Cheers,

Rock

I pay double as a solo cruiser but I don't get any additional onboard amenities nor do I eat double, take up two seats in the theater, use two loungers, etc.

You're paying the passenger rate for your daughter; it's not an adult rate. It doesn't matter whether the passenger is 3mo or 95 years old. I don't know why you're fixated on having to pay an "adult" fare. It's not.

You're paying the passenger rate for your daughter; it's not an adult rate. It doesn't matter whether the passenger is 3mo or 95 years old. I don't know why you're fixated on having to pay an "adult" fare. It's not.

Again, I'm taking my granddaughter on a cruise in November. She is two. She is even too young for the kids' programs on Princess. She is paying exactly the same for the fare that I am. Why would that entitle her to go to the Sanctuary? or the casino? The amount of the fare is absolutely beside the point. Your daughter may be as mature a teen as ever stepped on a ship, but the rule is no one under 18 in the Sanctuary. She won't be allowed in the adult pool either. On some ships they have a hot tub for the teens in Remix. Do you wonder why there is a rule that no adults can go into that hot tub? Following your logic, if 50 year old Mr. Perv wants to soak with the teens in their bikinis, why shouldn't he be allowed to since he paid the same fare as they did? It's very simple: the amount of the fare does not entitle anyone to disregard Princess rules.

I guess it's just that with this whole trip (the Cruise is only half of the trip) we're having to pay Adult price for the kids where most of the time they don't get the full benefit.

 

As I see it, you did pay the children's fare for the kids. And Princess was nice enough to let the two adults sail at that same children's fare.

Again, I'm taking my granddaughter on a cruise in November. She is two. She is even too young for the kids' programs on Princess. She is paying exactly the same for the fare that I am. Why would that entitle her to go to the Sanctuary? or the casino? The amount of the fare is absolutely beside the point. Your daughter may be as mature a teen as ever stepped on a ship, but the rule is no one under 18 in the Sanctuary. She won't be allowed in the adult pool either. On some ships they have a hot tub for the teens in Remix. Do you wonder why there is a rule that no adults can go into that hot tub? Following your logic, if 50 year old Mr. Perv wants to soak with the teens in their bikinis, why shouldn't he be allowed to since he paid the same fare as they did? It's very simple: the amount of the fare does not entitle anyone to disregard Princess rules.

Exactly. My daughter was a month too young for Camp Carnival on her first cruise, but we didn't make a big deal about that fact. They did invite kids, no matter the age, and their parents to join in on a party the first night, so we took her. But after that, she was with us, which was fine. On her last cruise she was 15, and she hanged with kids her age except when she wanted to see shows with us (nothing over 18) as she enjoys the big production musicals.

But often I'll see posts from parents wondering if they could move their "mature for their age" kids to the next age group. Hopefully, the cruise lines stay firm on this.

I can understand kids aren't allowed in the bar areas due to Licencing, same with the gambling areas, but really, how can a restriction be placed on an area purely because people don't like certain clientele?

Cheers,

Rock

There is no "licensing" for alcohol or gambling once at sea. It is simply reasonable and appropriate company policy to have age requirements for these activities.

For sure the cruise line does not dislike certain clientele, they like ALL their customers. I do believe that if they allowed passengers under 18 into certain areas of the ship there would be displeasure from other adult passengers using that venue who specifically pay to use a venue that will be free of children. It is the same reason certain activities on the ship, and everywhere for that matter, are for adults only. It is just the way it is during those teen years, too old to be a child, too young to be an adult.

I am certain you can locate an appealing area of the ship to lounge in sun or shade. There are lots of them besides the Sanctuary. For example, the deck area just outside The Sanctuary, The Conservatory, The Oasis Hot Tub area to name a few.

 

But often I'll see posts from parents wondering if they could move their "mature for their age" kids to the next age group. Hopefully' date=' the cruise lines stay firm on this.[/quote']

 

You don't see someone complaining, "My teenager acts like a three-year-old, so can he go to Pelicans?" LOL. After all, the teenager did pay the same fare that the preschooler did. :D