Posted January 29th, 2017, 06:47 PM
Last edited by Travelcat2; January 29th, 2017 at 06:48 PM
How would requiring a passport prevent that issue though?
I don't think anyone is denying DL's are easier to counterfeit. But what benefit do you have by requiring passports on closed loop cruises? You think someone is going to fake a DL and BC to take a 7 day cruise to the Caribbean?
Granted I have a passport, but hypothetically, let's say I didn't, and I had a cruise leaving in two weeks. Our government in it's infinite wisdom and operating with haste (which we know neither of those two happens much less at the same time) says "Everyone must have a passport for all cruises starting in 2 weeks." A) I think the cruise lines would fight that requirement in court because they know plenty of cruisers don't have a PP. B) I would be fighting myself (I don't know if it would go to court from me). I don't think it could happen "at a moments notice".
I mentioned a year, because in January 2018 is when residents of states that don't comply with the Real ID would need passports to fly.
Seems a lot easier to get explosives IN the US. Why bring them in from other countries?
Okay - I agree with some of what you say but not necessarily everything. I agree that there would need to be some notice before the government stopped closed loop cruises.
Yes - I do believe that people would use counterfeit DL's and birth certificates to go on a closed loop cruise if it enabled them to bring the makings for a bomb or some other illegal item into the U.S. Hate to answer a question with a question but aren't there explosives available outside of the U.S. that are not available in the U.S.?
The question about how much safer passports are keeps running through my mind. I know little about what goes on in terms of getting a passport (even though I've had several over the years). I do recall that they were made in Thailand - not the U.S. (at least that was a case a few years ago). I believe that they are more traceable when going through passport control (actually, I have no idea how anyone could verify a "certified" birth certificate on short notice). They do track which countries you have been in so they would see if you have made trips to the Middle East, etc.
In terms of cruise lines getting upset if closed loop cruises were suddenly stopped, it actually would only affect a few cruise lines (large ones but only a few). Many cruise lines do not even offer closed loop cruises. In fact, I learned about them on CC.
Perhaps there is a half-way measure that could be put into place until passports could be issued? Maybe a copy of your income taxes from last year (you could black out the financial data but show the name and address on the form), a copy of a utility bill that matches the name/address on your DL? Additionally, you could save a copy of your Passport Application (which may not have been filed but at least it shows some kind of intent).
I'm glad that the subject of 2018 has been brought up since I do live in a state that will require passports to board an airplane..... another thing to remember to do before your vacation