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These days, how could RCL still allow smoking on balconies (assuming

I read it correctly) ? Having a chain smoker, or early morning smoke,r in

the cabin next door can totally negate the benefits of having a balcony

for a non smoker. RCL is way behind the times on this issue.

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I don't smoke and have had plenty of people in balconies next to me that do smoke. It's never bothered me.

 

Lucky you!

 

But just because you were not affected does not mean that others had the same experience. On a recent cruise, we had to go inside and close our cabin doors.

 

It's just a matter of time before RCL extends their Celebrity policy to RCCL.

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I have long despised smoking and can remember when ships allowed it everywhere - heck, 25 years ago I can remember table mates smoking at the dinner table after we ate. The policies have come a long way, thankfully.

 

On our most recent cruises (This year we have done the Allure and CCL Dream), smoking was almost a non-issue even for me. On the Allure, we had a Boardwalk Balcony, RM 11327, 2nd to last room and the Boardwalk does not allow smoking. On the Dream, we had a Cove - very secluded balcony, bottom deck so no one under us, again non-issue. Even the bars are finally turning into no smoking, keeping the horrible smell to the casino, the club, and occasional other spots. This was great news for me and I am thankful for all they did so far.

 

A full ban on the balconies (or even the ship!) would be great, but unheard of. Once upon a time the Carnival Paradise was completely smoke free (even crew), and had the highest booking percentages, but they made the least on alcohol and casino gambles, so they scrapped the idea.

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These days, how could RCL still allow smoking on balconies (assuming

I read it correctly) ?

 

For the smokers.

 

On a more analytical note, be mindful that smokers are people, too, and being deprived of smoking is probably as or more intensely miserable for them than being exposed is to a non-smoker. I've seen a thread elsewhere on the forum talking about smoking areas on a ship, and there's a serious inconvenience factor on some ships when balconies are forbidden.

 

I, too, don't like cigarette smoke, yet I'm married to a smoker (she doesn't smoke in the house). It's a small world and we've all got to live in it.

 

Richard.

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These days, how could RCL still allow smoking on balconies (assuming

I read it correctly) ? Having a chain smoker, or early morning smoke,r in

the cabin next door can totally negate the benefits of having a balcony

for a non smoker. RCL is way behind the times on this issue.

 

I hear ya...BUT, as a smoker, my advice to you if you you're afraid your balcony experience will be hampered by a smoker on an adjorning balcony, Dont Book A Balcony! Go with the 'inside' cabin or an 'outside'. Or, you could go all the way an book a suite, an expensive one, which will keep you away from all offensive smells (good luck)...In other words, if you don't want the smell of smoke, find another type of cabin which may limit your exposure. As long as the cruiseline allows smoking on the balcony, we will pay for that convenience. Oh, one more thing, when you book a cruise, try to remember, you are not cruising alone and it's NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!:eek:

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Well, let's not confuse anyone.... the non-smoking balconies are inside neighborhood balconies, not ocean balconies.

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I agree, the OP said nothing about the ocean:rolleyes: and one of those neighborhoods is open to the ocean/sea/bay,etc

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And how could they let people drinks gallons of alcohol!! And how could they let all us fat people over eat!!!

 

And by gawd let's not forget the sun exposure!!!! :o:eek::eek::eek:

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I think the smokers lives have changed alot over the last couple of years. I for one would not book on a cruise line which did not allow smoking on the balconies (as a smoker) so I would think as a non smoker I would pick a cabin with a balcony were it would be least likely to be affected. I think we can all find things to complain about or look for all the things we enjoy about cruising and all have a great time!

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For the smokers.

 

On a more analytical note, be mindful that smokers are people, too, and being deprived of smoking is probably as or more intensely miserable for them than being exposed is to a non-smoker. I've seen a thread elsewhere on the forum talking about smoking areas on a ship, and there's a serious inconvenience factor on some ships when balconies are forbidden.

 

I, too, don't like cigarette smoke, yet I'm married to a smoker (she doesn't smoke in the house). It's a small world and we've all got to live in it.

 

Richard.

 

 

These comments always strike me as very hypocritical or at least completely self absorbed. The person knows smoke is so undesirable that they won't smoke in their own house. They then feel it is ok to smoke in areas where it is allowed even though they know it stinks so bad they don't want it in their own house.

 

It's ok to them because they get to walk away from the stench. If you won't do something in your own house because you find it offensive then you shouldn't do it anywhere you expose it to others as there is a very high likely hood they will be offended just like you. If you won't do it in your own house, where it is definitely allowed, then don't do it around me even in an area it is allowed because you know at the very least it's a nuisance and at most a health risk.

 

You know it stinks, you know it lingers, you know it sticks to clothes, furniture and walls, you know it finds it way inside through brief openings of a door and yet you stink up others surroundings because you need or enjoy the fix and then leave the area and the poisonous stink behind while you find another area to enjoy yourself. If you won't subject your private legal smoking place to the fumes then don't subject my private space, even if smoking is allowed.

 

Quit rationalizing with statements of it's allowed. it dissipates quickly, you paid your money also or any other quackery. You now it stinks so you won't do it in your own house. That means you know it's wrong to inflict it on others. Otherwise host a smoking party in your home so we can all come over and puff away a pack or two. You'll have to replace your carpet, dump the furniture, paint the inside and do something about your HVAC system if you want to live there after the party or if you want to sell your house.

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These comments always strike me as very hypocritical or at least completely self absorbed. The person knows smoke is so undesirable that they won't smoke in their own house. They then feel it is ok to smoke in areas where it is allowed even though they know it stinks so bad they don't want it in their own house.

 

It's ok to them because they get to walk away from the stench. If you won't do something in your own house because you find it offensive then you shouldn't do it anywhere you expose it to others as there is a very high likely hood they will be offended just like you. If you won't do it in your own house, where it is definitely allowed, then don't do it around me even in an area it is allowed because you know at the very least it's a nuisance and at most a health risk.

 

You know it stinks, you know it lingers, you know it sticks to clothes, furniture and walls, you know it finds it way inside through brief openings of a door and yet you stink up others surroundings because you need or enjoy the fix and then leave the area and the poisonous stink behind while you find another area to enjoy yourself. If you won't subject your private legal smoking place to the fumes then don't subject my private space, even if smoking is allowed.

 

Quit rationalizing with statements of it's allowed. it dissipates quickly, you paid your money also or any other quackery. You now it stinks so you won't do it in your own house. That means you know it's wrong to inflict it on others. Otherwise host a smoking party in your home so we can all come over and puff away a pack or two. You'll have to replace your carpet, dump the furniture, paint the inside and do something about your HVAC system if you want to live there after the party or if you want to sell your house.

 

What part of THEY ARE OUTSIDE ON A BALCONY did you miss? Seriously, this gets so out of control so quickly. MY WIFE AND I ARE NOT SMOKERS but hey folks, it is LEGAL and you all love the things that are paid for from the tax income in brings in. This is simply a matter or a non-smoker thinking/believing they have more rights than a smoker. Maybe I think you shouldn't be able to sit and talk on your balcony while I am enjoying the beautiful passing sea and sounds but that is not my choice. You paid for that balcony not me. I don't complain about you being out there because that is your space. The biggest problem here is that so many of you feel that when you paid for your cruise that you bought the ship out for your own private vacation. You did not.

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These comments always strike me as very hypocritical or at least completely self absorbed. The person knows smoke is so undesirable that they won't smoke in their own house. They then feel it is ok to smoke in areas where it is allowed even though they know it stinks so bad they don't want it in their own house.

 

It's ok to them because they get to walk away from the stench. If you won't do something in your own house because you find it offensive then you shouldn't do it anywhere you expose it to others as there is a very high likely hood they will be offended just like you. If you won't do it in your own house, where it is definitely allowed, then don't do it around me even in an area it is allowed because you know at the very least it's a nuisance and at most a health risk.

 

You know it stinks, you know it lingers, you know it sticks to clothes, furniture and walls, you know it finds it way inside through brief openings of a door and yet you stink up others surroundings because you need or enjoy the fix and then leave the area and the poisonous stink behind while you find another area to enjoy yourself. If you won't subject your private legal smoking place to the fumes then don't subject my private space, even if smoking is allowed.

 

Quit rationalizing with statements of it's allowed. it dissipates quickly, you paid your money also or any other quackery. You now it stinks so you won't do it in your own house. That means you know it's wrong to inflict it on others. Otherwise host a smoking party in your home so we can all come over and puff away a pack or two. You'll have to replace your carpet, dump the furniture, paint the inside and do something about your HVAC system if you want to live there after the party or if you want to sell your house.

 

 

wow ! You sound like a very angry person. If smokers follow the rules..why let it get you this upset?

 

Every person in this country, unless something has changed, has the right to do what they want to do in their home....whether it be smoking or cooking fish .

 

As long as rules are followed...if you don't like the rules some set...dont go there...easy enough. Not worth getting so worked up

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How could RCL still allow smoking on the balcony?

 

Because in spite of your personal and somewhat popular beliefs and opinion, it is allowed by cruise line policy.

 

And in the interest of full disclosure....it is a policy that I fully support, agree with, and one that keeps me sailing with Royal Caribbean.

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These comments always strike me as very hypocritical or at least completely self absorbed. The person knows smoke is so undesirable that they won't smoke in their own house. They then feel it is ok to smoke in areas where it is allowed even though they know it stinks so bad they don't want it in their own house.

 

It's ok to them because they get to walk away from the stench. If you won't do something in your own house because you find it offensive then you shouldn't do it anywhere you expose it to others as there is a very high likely hood they will be offended just like you. If you won't do it in your own house, where it is definitely allowed, then don't do it around me even in an area it is allowed because you know at the very least it's a nuisance and at most a health risk.

 

You know it stinks, you know it lingers, you know it sticks to clothes, furniture and walls, you know it finds it way inside through brief openings of a door and yet you stink up others surroundings because you need or enjoy the fix and then leave the area and the poisonous stink behind while you find another area to enjoy yourself. If you won't subject your private legal smoking place to the fumes then don't subject my private space, even if smoking is allowed.

 

Quit rationalizing with statements of it's allowed. it dissipates quickly, you paid your money also or any other quackery. You now it stinks so you won't do it in your own house. That means you know it's wrong to inflict it on others. Otherwise host a smoking party in your home so we can all come over and puff away a pack or two. You'll have to replace your carpet, dump the furniture, paint the inside and do something about your HVAC system if you want to live there after the party or if you want to sell your house.

 

I understand both points of view as a former smoker with a husband that has started smoking again. As a smoker, I was very mindful of the fact that not only was I causing harm to myself, but it caused harm and bothered other people.

 

I always understood this well because I have allergies pretty much all perfumes, including ones used in soaps, body washes and shampoos. (This was another reason I needed to quit smoking - of course I had allergies to cigarette smoke). I am allergic to most detergents (so I bring my own pillowcases) and many soaps. Of course, I am terribly allergic to cats.

 

So at home, I ask my husband to smoke outside- no big deal. He just goes to the deck at our house. It is sort of the same thing on a cruise ship, wake up and go on the deck to smoke. No need to get dressed, etc. However, he doesn't smoke on the balcony if our neighbors are on their decks.

 

I had to laugh on our last cruise on the second to last night of the cruise when he met our balcony neighbors on both sides and they were smoking cigars! He chastised me for bullying him all week about not smoking when our neighbors were out.

 

Anyway, I wish that Royal Caribbean would designate either port or starboard balconies as non-smoking and the other side not-designated. That way the people that really care one way or another could have their preference. A couple of years ago, I thought they were going to start doing this but I haven't seen it. But that might have been Princess since we cruise them a lot as well.

 

The bottom line is that we need to be tolerant of other people and that includes smokers being tolerant of us that don't like the smoke and non-smokers being tolerant of smokers in areas where it is allowed. When my next door balcony neighbors would come onto their deck while my husband was already out there, I didn't rush my husband. However, if they were out there first, he would wait.

 

My husband's biggest complaint is when he is in a bar or area designated as SMOKING and others sit down because there are no seats in non-smoking and then they start complaining. My biggest complaint is smokers that don't care about others or people that use too much perfume. (I can also complain about the people that use the buffet without using hand sanitizer.)

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I understand both points of view as a former smoker with a husband that has started smoking again. As a smoker, I was very mindful of the fact that not only was I causing harm to myself, but it caused harm and bothered other people.

 

I always understood this well because I have allergies pretty much all perfumes, including ones used in soaps, body washes and shampoos. (This was another reason I needed to quit smoking - of course I had allergies to cigarette smoke). I am allergic to most detergents (so I bring my own pillowcases) and many soaps. Of course, I am terribly allergic to cats.

 

So at home, I ask my husband to smoke outside- no big deal. He just goes to the deck at our house. It is sort of the same thing on a cruise ship, wake up and go on the deck to smoke. No need to get dressed, etc. However, he doesn't smoke on the balcony if our neighbors are on their decks.

 

I had to laugh on our last cruise on the second to last night of the cruise when he met our balcony neighbors on both sides and they were smoking cigars! He chastised me for bullying him all week about not smoking when our neighbors were out.

 

Anyway, I wish that Royal Caribbean would designate either port or starboard balconies as non-smoking and the other side not-designated. That way the people that really care one way or another could have their preference. A couple of years ago, I thought they were going to start doing this but I haven't seen it. But that might have been Princess since we cruise them a lot as well.

 

The bottom line is that we need to be tolerant of other people and that includes smokers being tolerant of us that don't like the smoke and non-smokers being tolerant of smokers in areas where it is allowed. When my next door balcony neighbors would come onto their deck while my husband was already out there, I didn't rush my husband. However, if they were out there first, he would wait.

 

My husband's biggest complaint is when he is in a bar or area designated as SMOKING and others sit down because there are no seats in non-smoking and then they start complaining. My biggest complaint is smokers that don't care about others or people that use too much perfume. (I can also complain about the people that use the buffet without using hand sanitizer.)

 

Very well put ! I agree 100%

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How could RCL still allow smoking on the balcony?

 

Because in spite of your personal and somewhat popular beliefs and opinion, it is allowed by cruise line policy.

 

And in the interest of full disclosure....it is a policy that I fully support, agree with, and one that keeps me sailing with Royal Caribbean.

 

As an addendum, that is also the reason we sail with Royal Caribbean and book hotels at Embassy Suites - so he doesn't have to deal with it. We used to cruise primarily Celebrity and stay at Westin.

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Not quite.

 

Celebrity, an RCCL company, has a full ban on balconies.

 

I believe that Princess does, too.

 

I would like to see RCI adopt a no-smoking on the balconies policy. Until they do, I will live with what has mostly been only the occasional whiff from next door. When they do, I shall celebrate.:)

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Why do they allow people to drink on a cruise. I don't drink, can't stand people who get even a little bit drunk, and the smell that emanates from their person is nauseating. I get caught in the cross fire of drunks fighting causing significant risk to my personal well-being and health. I say they ban all alcohol on all cruise ships.

 

Of course they won't do that because the cruise line would never make money. Same thing with smoking, if it made financial sense to ban smoking or restrict smoking further, they would have done it a long time ago.

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I'm a non smoker & do feel quite ill when I accidentally breath in smoke of any kind. My sinuses block up immediately, so I usually hold my breath if passing by smokers.

 

We were on a balcony cabin on deck 8 of Radiance & I could see the people below on deck 7 smoking as the deck 7 balconies sit further out from the ship, yet I never once smelt the smoke coming up, but their neighbours on deck 7 may well have had a different experience.

 

Although I would love to see the whole world smoke free as it is a serious health issue for so many, I do recognise that smoking is an addiction & can be very hard to stop. So I would vote for balconies on 1 side of the ship be non smoking & on the other smoking allowed, just like on the decks, that way everyone is catered for.:)

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These days, how could RCL still allow smoking on balconies (assuming

I read it correctly) ? Having a chain smoker, or early morning smoke,r in

the cabin next door can totally negate the benefits of having a balcony

for a non smoker. RCL is way behind the times on this issue.

 

Are you kidding me? How much of a problem can it be for you when the ship is moving 25 knots? How much time do you spend on your balcony? How much time does the smoker spend? Give me a break. Learn to tolorate people - we tolorate you.

 

 

 

For the smokers.

 

On a more analytical note, be mindful that smokers are people, too, and being deprived of smoking is probably as or more intensely miserable for them than being exposed is to a non-smoker. I've seen a thread elsewhere on the forum talking about smoking areas on a ship, and there's a serious inconvenience factor on some ships when balconies are forbidden.

 

I, too, don't like cigarette smoke, yet I'm married to a smoker (she doesn't smoke in the house). It's a small world and we've all got to live in it.

 

Richard.

 

Thank you. Your right - being deprived of smoking is an impossible situation for a smoker.

 

Most smokers I have known only ask they have reasonable places to smoke. Thats all. And reasonable doesnt mean in one 10x10ft spot on the back of the ship.

 

I dont mind not smoking in restaurants or common areas, or even the room. But if I cant smoke - what am I suppose to do? Dont you think I would quit if I could go 7 days without a smoke? My only option is not to be on the ship or break the rules.

 

9 times out of 10, its the non smokers who are the rude and inconsiderate ones. How often do you see a smoker flagrantly breaking the rules and smoking where not allowed?

 

I have an idea -- no smoking -- okay, but no kids either. They are too noisy and disturb my experience. And no perfume because some people are allergic to that. Oh, and no booze because they can be beligerant. Oh, and no cooked fish because I cant stomach that smell. OH, and no hover rounds because they run over my toes sometimes.

 

Want me to keep going? Point is - we all have to live in this world. Maybe you should try to tolorate others a little bit more.

 

Oh, and before someone says its a health issue for them. Crawl back in your bubble because if my having a smoke on a balcony while the ship is moving at 25 knots is affecting your health, you clearly cant handle living in the world and need to be protected in a bubble.

 

Ok - now im ready for my flaming....

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