Just off Carnival Magic - bizzare behavior or the new normal?

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#21
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Originally posted by Kitsunegari
It seems to be the new norm. The more the rates fall and allow a new set of cruisers to cruise, that lower skill set is climbing on board, and bringing their lack of social skills with them.
I hate the implication that those that are lower income are lower class. I know plenty of people who would be considered wealthy that have no manners or common social skills. My best friends parents would be a perfect example (going into a fancy establishment with wife beater shirts and frayed cut offs, speaking at innapropriate levels and brash...but very very well off). But generally I agree that people in general have become lazier and more selfish/self-centered which often translates into the experiences posters relate here. But I think the problem is among ALL socio-economic statuses.
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I remember seeing that dress and that it was the avatar for someone on cruise critic. I questioned it once, and got yelled at by others for being rude too funny

Originally posted by Tapi
Was she wearing a chain dress by any chance?? :wink:
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Originally posted by MISSSNOOPYGIRL
I can't imagine anyone bring a very young child on a cruise period. What fun would that be?!
Just returned from our 4th "fun-less" cruise with a 1 year old and a 3 year old, this time to Alaska.

It was so bad that we have decided to take the kids on another cruise next summer. It will be their 5th time spoiling our fun!
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Originally posted by lovebelle
I hate the implication that those that are lower income are lower class. I know plenty of people who would be considered wealthy that have no manners or common social skills. My best friends parents would be a perfect example (going into a fancy establishment with wife beater shirts and frayed cut offs, speaking at innapropriate levels and brash...but very very well off). But generally I agree that people in general have become lazier and more selfish/self-centered which often translates into the experiences posters relate here. But I think the problem is among ALL socio-economic statuses.
Very well said.
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#25
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Photo session: Don't understand some folks in family surroundings...wish they would be more considerate.

Toddlers in Diapers: Ok in your home or backyard, not ok in a public dining room of ANY kind. I love children but put some clothes on them.

Toddlers misbehaving: Parents who have no regard for anyone but themselves get on my last nerve. We don't even go out to eat right now because I have a 3 year old that can self combust at any second. We took him on a cruise last year at 2 1/2 and when he wasn't behaving he was removed from the dining area. We scheduled a night at the steak house, but only after a grandparent agreed to watch him.

Glad you had fun, sorry that some folks don't know how to behave.

Originally posted by 3 gals and a buoy
Just off a 7 day cruise with my husband and two younger daughters (9 & 12). For the most part, we had a really nice time but there were a couple things that surprised me that we experienced on board. I realize it was a small part of the experience, but just curious what you would have thought.

First was in regards to the photo sessions. There was a couple we walked past at about 8:00PM that were hard to miss. They were posing in various sexual positions and the photographer was snapping away while their group of friends were cheering them on. My kids were like - why is he doing that to her? Yeah....

Second was during the main dining room. On the last night of the cruise there was a toddler running around in just a diaper (no other clothes or shoes). I realize that not everyone likes to dress up for dinner, but come on.

We also ate at the steak house. The food and service were great, but two tables over had a one year old doing laps around the parents table. She was pulling things off of the surrounding tables while the parents ignored them.

Also - are non-potty trained kids supposed to be in the pools? I know on Disney they had a dedicated toddler pool that was drained and refilled nightly for obvious reasons. Keep in mind I have kids and they have been on every sailing with us since we had them. I just make sure they followed the rules of the ship with dress code, etc.

Maybe I should mind my own business, but am I crazy to think that's over the top a bit, or are people "just on vacation and anything goes?"
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#26
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can someone either post a link or pic for the chain dress or tell me what to google? I googled "chain dress" but nothing terribly shocking came up, so I figure I am missing something.
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Originally posted by stargate fan
Even children wearing swim diapers are not allowed in the pools on Carnival.
You are 100% correct. I double checked carnival's FAQ and it did indeed say swim diapers are not allowed. i didnt know that. Glad i didnt bring my daughter on the my recent cruise a couple of weeks ago. I would have been breaking the rules. not on purpose, just out of sheer ignorance.

when you're right, you're right. lol.
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Originally posted by lego7191
can someone either post a link or pic for the chain dress or tell me what to google? I googled "chain dress" but nothing terribly shocking came up, so I figure I am missing something.
google "Carnival Cruise Chain Dress". when you see it, you'll know it.
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#29
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A lot of people use the" I'm on vacation" excuse to be rude.
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#30
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Google cruise chain dress. Go to images and there is one of a couple in front of a picture of a cruise ship, a few rows down.


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#31
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Originally posted by betty215
google "Carnival Cruise Chain Dress". when you see it, you'll know it.
Originally posted by nseit1974
Google cruise chain dress. Go to images and there is one of a couple in front of a picture of a cruise ship, a few rows down.
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HOLY CRAP!

Thanks for the clarification! You were not kidding! I knew it when I saw it! LOL
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#32
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We would LOVE to bring our little grand daughter on a cruise with us. And we will. AS SOON AS SHE LEARNS TO EAT AT THE TABLE WITHOUT RUNNING AROUND. Hopefully, by 5, but if not......then later. Worse case scenerio....her parents come along and eat with her in Lido and we dine in the MDR. I will not ruin OUR dining experience OR that of our neighbors.
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#33
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Originally posted by 98Charlie
Yes, it is bizarre. And maybe not unexpected. Right now there are some 750,000 passengers aboard the 25 largest cruise ships and probably more than that on all of the smaller ships that make up the main fleets that we think of when we say cruise ship in the US.

That's 2 to 3 times the size of the population of Milwaukee.
Ahem... that's one zero too many. (It would be 30,000 passengers per ship.) 75,000 passengers is about right, though. Your main point, however, is valid. It's still the size of a small city / medium size suburb and *someone* among those is bound to be doing *something* inconsiderate at any given time.
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Originally posted by Jimmy Geegitz
A lot of people use the" I'm on vacation" excuse to be rude.
That is correct and don't you ruin their vacation!
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#35
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Originally posted by betty215
google "Carnival Cruise Chain Dress". when you see it, you'll know it.
OMG As soon as I saw it, I knew why there had been so much talk about the infamous "chain dress"...wow is all I can say here!!
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#36
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At the steakhouse I think I would have a chat with the maitre d'. I'd tell him that I am not paying $35 per person only to have my meal ruined by someone's kid running around like a banshee. He would either do something about it or I would march down to the purser's office and demand that the charge be removed from my account. If they refused, I'd have them take $70 off the gratuities.

Changing a diaper in the dining room? Same thing...go to the maitre d'. If nothing is done about it, threaten to have their gratuities removed – and then follow through with the threat.

People vote with their money...hitting someone in the wallet is the best way to get a point across.
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#37
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Originally posted by 98Charlie
Yes, it is bizarre. And maybe not unexpected. Right now there are some 750,000 passengers aboard the 25 largest cruise ships and probably more than that on all of the smaller ships that make up the main fleets that we think of when we say cruise ship in the US.

That's 2 to 3 times the size of the population of Milwaukee. So yes strange things happen. Overt PDA, unsupervised children, "me" attitude. We see it at home and we see it on vacation.

Sadly the Maîtres d' in the restaurants did nothing and no one took responsibility for enforcing the pool rule regarding diapers. (Yuck!) Hopefully you took the time to let someone know.

Charlie
ahhhh..........Charlie, you have 1 to many zeros there!, it 75,000.

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#38
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Originally posted by Kitsunegari
It seems to be the new norm. The more the rates fall and allow a new set of cruisers to cruise, that lower skill set is climbing on board, and bringing their lack of social skills with them.

I took "low skill set and lack of social skills" to mean low class, but not in the socioeconomic definition. You can find "low class" in all socioeconomic classes.
#39
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Originally posted by CJinFLA00
WHAT??? That's just crazy. Some people are so clueless.
And WHERE was the Maitre D' ??

...allegedly in control of his Dining Room?


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#40
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Someone suggested a couple of days ago on another thread that young children shouldn't be allowed in the steakhouse -- well, he was FLAMED!

I kind of agree with him.....

I also agree that the scenarios OP described were -- in additon to being failures of parents to parent appropriately -- were also failure on the part of the maitre d'. Yikes!
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