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  1. Edit - should have thought to mention that this is Canada Day! There will be Stuff Happening at the pier - family friendly entertainment, bands, performers, and the like which may mean the usual bus stops for HOHO and other tours are shifted a block or two away... Unless something odd happens, there won't be much in the way of road closures, just the block or two immediately next to the pier becomes pedestrianized (so crowds can flow between the pier and the other side of the convention centre, where the olympic flame is). Fireworks may or may not happen - after Covid we expected them to come back, the Port claimed too expensive despite making record profits with all the extra shipping, and the first attempt to use a drone show instead of fireworks failed miserably... but your flight times means even if there is a firework/drone show it'll start too late... Original post below remains as I typed it! There are day tours that will take you and your bags, but for a late flight none of them last long enough except a trip to Victoria, which is TOO long! Unless you've visited before, for first-timers I feel like the ideal choice is stash bags, ride HOHO all day (it might be very busy in the morning, since it stops right outside the pier so a lot of folks without plans may be tempted to jump on - if you hop off at some of the early stops you may not find a seat waiting to hop back on then next bus, but the later it gets the easier it becomes to get back on without delay), eat dinner downtown, retrieve bags, head to YVR for no earlier than 2 hours before your flight. HOHO tix cost less than post-cruise coach tours and go to basically the same places as the city tours do - so even if all you do is ride it around the loop rather than hopping on and off it's still decent value. City coach tours will drop you at YVR around 1:30pm; North Shore tours (Capilano, Grouse) maybe 3pm, and even a Whistler day tour perhaps 5pm - none of these are much use for a late flight as you won't even be allowed to check your bags that early, and while YVR is among the nicest airports on the continent to kill time in more than an hour or two there is really stretching things. Better to keep it simple, do a little research to see which city attractions seem most enticing to you, and then fill your day with the best stuff for you - you could even skip the HOHO and just walk, take transit, or short Cabuber rides from site to site if you don't feel the need for a guided spiel while driving around. Crowds at YVR are way down in the evening, and any flight that does not Preclear avoids one of the steps so takes less time - CBP stop work at 8:30pm, so a 10ish flight will not be Precleared. With a suitcase that needs checked you still must arrive at least an hour early (even without CBP examining bags, airlines at YVR have a 60min deadline preflight to check bags headed to US or Int'l) and given the lighter queues you should waltz through Security even if you don't prebook a timeslot, so depending how nervous a traveler you are leaving downtown 7:30 to 8pm should give you ample padding, especially if you take SkyTrain (very consistent 26min ride time, unlike cabs no traffic issues).
  2. Yup - even if you are not a guest, you can pay them $10 a bag (cheaper than the official pier storage as well as much longer hours, so it's far more practical - you can sightsee unencumbered, have dinner, then collect bags and head to YVR)
  3. Agree that since this will be dark o'clock, the only interior spaces to visit are pubs - every ticketed attraction, except possibly the IMAX theater at the museum, will be long closed and even the Fairmont's egregiously overpriced 'Afternoon' Tea (which notoriously takes bookings as late as 9pm in peak summer) is unlikely to be on offer beyond 5pm once Labour Day has rolled around. Wander into town by going left or straight ahead instead of right toward the park; enjoy looking at parliament and other buildings around the inner harbour all lit up nice, visit a pub (personally it's always Swans for us, up next to Chinatown) and then wander back to the pier. In terms of actual excursions I wouldn't bother personally, but there will almost certainly be some options available both indy and through NCL - if you're horsey people and want to blow a wodge of cash rent a carriage (don't take the trolley, they have rows of bench seats with poor sightlines unless you sit on the outside, anything costing less than $75pp is almost certainly a trolley!); if you're small boat fans, then there's a chance the pickleboats might be running for tours of the harbour from the water for a much more modest price; NCL might package a coach tour pub crawl - much cheaper to just take a cab between pubs yourself if you don't want to walk. If your visit is in the first half of Sep, NCL will almost certainly sell you a far-too-short and overpriced visit to Butchart Gardens. If they are selling one that means the gardens are open, so you could split a cab with a couple of friends each way will give you more time at the gardens than the cruise bus will and also save a pretty hefty chunk of cash (assume about $120 for a cab that seats at least 4 and $40 per adult ticket, all in CAD - compare that to price of NCL excursion to see what the saving is). Butchart is a great garden, but I'm not a fan of doing it all in the dark even though they do light it up - even early in Sep you're unlikely to arrive with much in the way of daylight!
  4. Yes, they will - they have a real bell staff (desk on ground floor right by the doors) who can hold bags (which should be free for you as a guest checking in that day), call a cab etc.
  5. Locally, ICBC have a very nice Plain English brochure - if your 4yr old is over 40lbs, a booster would be OK but if not a proper seat is required if any seat is required. Professional drivers - taxis as well as buses - are exempt, so if you're willing to risk your kids' safety in an accident, you can legally toss 'em in the back seat with an adult belt on(!) Technically only Canadian-spec seats should be used here, but from speaking to local car seat experts (long story short, my sister came to visit with our not-quite-1-year-old nephew, and as I was driving them around I studied many reviews before buying one and then found the best-rated professional car seat installer to get lessons on doing it right) taking your Canadian seat over the border/bringing a US seat up here is deemed fine by police on both sides for visitors, it's just residents who get slapped with tickets to stop us buying much cheaper and only marginally different US spec seats. But considering how walkable Vancouver is, you really won't be crimped much by sticking to transit including coming in from the airport (free for under 13s too, so only the two adults need buy tix). If memory serves, AK rules are tighter though - even schoolbuses with all their enhanced safety features need seats/boosters strapped in and used if there is a seatbelt installed on the seat, which is certainly often the case on a chartered excursion coach or schoolbus rather than transit buses - so honestly, given that airlines are not allowed to charge for child car seats I'd suck it up and bring the ones you use at home and know how to install.. or else buy brand-new ones on arrival and donate them before you fly home (I would not rent one - even a week of rental is more than an excellently rated budget seat can be bought for, it was all of CAD$50 for me to acquire one recommended by multiple agencies, though that was several years ago now so I'd budget for more like $80-100)
  6. A useful summary of your tastes! Enough that I'm confident in making several specific recommendations right off the bat which should check off your boxes, as well as some more general suggestions. First - see if the YWCA Hotel has a room left on your dates. Given your desire to walk around, it's the only high quality, remotely modern, value option downtown -although a couple of legit cheaper options are very old properties, no elevator, no AC like the Buchan that might work for you as you may be able to sleep in warmth and humidity being from FL and of course being lowrise your hubby won't be feart to go near the windows! Avoid AirBnB - a provincewide crackdown begins May 1st, with decent enforcement budget at last, so any Vancouver 'whole home' AirBnB still on the system is likely to disappear at short notice as they cannot be licensed legally. If you don't mind booking just a room within someones home, those will remain legal though. Second - church-wise there are two really nice and rather different downtown cathedrals, plus another architecturally and culturally interesting church, that are very easily visited. The Anglican cathedral is basically unique - no belltower which is highly unusual for a cathedral (well, they have built one now, but it's a separate metal thing that just looks weird as heck!), but it was also built by ships carpenters mostly of wood and the interior is reminiscent of an upside down hull. Great acoustics, between the gently-curving shapes and the wood - I know someone on the choir and everyone who sings in there loves the place - plus it's specifically welcoming to visitors, 10-4 daily. The Catholic one is a much more traditional shape, brickbuilt French gothic, but does have slightly unusual shiny aluminum roofing rather than copper-plated - my wife's office looks over the roof and it always reminds me of NYCs iconic Chrysler building when I see those bright, steeply-pointed silvery tower tops! Lastly, the St Andrews-Wesley United Church (a very broad-brush Protestant group) has a wide array of stained glass, a pretty nice Gothic tower with a vaguely Scottish style general layout, and if you're actually church-going types they've been running Jazz Vespers services weekly for years and years which are pretty unusual! Basically everything @Milhouse said gets a thumbs-up from me - my only disagreement is Granville Island, and then only about the timing! I avoid it like the proverbial plague anywhere around lunchtime from May to September because of the tourist volumes, moving around inside the Public Market becomes really annoying. That said, since you're staying over you can avoid the crowds simply by going early or late - all the stalls and shops open by 9am, some as early as 8am, so if you head over for breakfast and a wander then get off the island before 11am things remain pretty sane even in peak summer. The empty campus of Emily Carr college is also interesting to wander and photograph - they're now elsewhere but nobody has moved in to the old buildings yet, so it gives you an idea of what GI would have been like back in the day post-WWII when the industrial tenants mostly all left. The floating homes in the little marina are also fun. General walking tour recommendations - go sign up with AIBC right away, as they hope to return their superb architectural walks this summer, so they'll email you with dates once plans firm up. Also put a request in with Stroll Buddy listing your interests - there may not be any available Buddies on your dates, but if there are you'll get an off-the-beaten track custom private tour for free (not even an expectation of tips) so your worst case is wasting a few minutes filling out the request form. Full disclosure, I'm a local Buddy myself, but since the program is entirely free I see no ethical compromise by suggesting it! There's also big group, free ('tip what you like') daily tours in summer from Toonie Tours - usually there's three slots to begin with, but if the morning or afternoon sell out they pop an extra one into the schedule maybe 30mins before or after the sellout. Their guides trend young & fun, use mostly scripts but often have a degree in History or similar (local college kids make decent cash at this in summer) to personalise it a little, and while they are variable in quality for first-timers it's well worth the three hour time investment IMO (unless you've already booked a more specific tour). Foodwise, you should try Salmon & Bannock - truly unique, every other First Nations food option is a very limited menu food truck affair, mostly bannocks plus toppings. The sablefish here is particularly superb, as are the game meats. If you walk from downtown it's a bit of a schlep with potentially lots of up & down (I strongly advise against Cambie and Granville Bridges for anyone with height issues - but even Burrard, which looks more substantial and has slightly-less-see-through sides, is probably best avoided unless DH would be constantly looking at the nice stonework!) Ride a bus - unlike almost everywhere in Florida, we have frequent, reliable, clean, safe public transit and it's all nicely integrated with Google Maps - for the best value transpo to and from. If you have an early dinner at S&B, walking downhill to GI for a wander is easy - late summer evenings GI is very nice, and the empty industrial parts become really atmospheric. Also hit up some regional Chinese food - not sure what you have easy access to in Leesburg or other places you visit regularly, but here we've got the gamut from western and northern styles (lamb and wheat, rather than pork and rice) through the more commonly-found Szechuan, Shanghainese, Taiwanese as well as the usual Cantonese fare found everywhere. Don't waste your time with any local Mexican, BBQ or Southern food - even the least bad local options are expensive and suck compared to what you'll have access to at home. Only possible exception is Machete - a really tiny joint on Main St that does pre-European-contact cuisine which is goshdurn delicious and as different from any modern regional Mexican food as Tex-Mex is but in a really different way (I am an unabashed carnivore, but my usual order is their 'five different veggie & vegan stews in a Machete' - an extra-long tortilla just in case you're not familiar, wrapped in foil so you can eat on the go without spilling on yourself, so it kinda looks like a blunt machete hence the name - I still couldn't tell you which stew is best because they're all great and the range of tastes is the big sell; it's like a grownup version of a multi-coloured icepop made with different fruit juice!) UBC Campus might also be worth a half-day or more to you - in theory MOA reopens before you arrive, there are also some other good museums on campus, a hyperauthentic Japanese garden with tea ceremonies sometimes, a botanic garden (DH should avoid the tree walk!), and just a ton of green space with relatively low numbers of people as summer school is nowhere near as busy compared to regular term so even the bus ride out should be easy to get a seat. Personally I'd say that even if you don't want to hit the whole of Stanley Park, the Rose Garden and the Totem Poles justify walking a loop with a bit of the Seawall to get views back toward Canada Place - but if you do visit UBC they have a ton of poles out there at MOA and also a rose garden (very small, perched on top of a carpark of all places, but it has a really nice view out over the water) so you might even consider skipping the park entirely without feeling bad about it!
  7. Yay! A flight that early you'll have much less traffic whether you go by cabuber or SkyTrain, and airport queues are minimal compared to when the cruise buses roll in. Personally I would advise against being the full 3 hours early unless you enjoy pointless queueing - while CBP in theory will have started work (4:30am), their shift briefing adds anywhere up to 15mins before they actually begin processing the several hundred people unware of the Prescreening hours who showed up 3+ hours ahead of 6/7/8am flights only to find the doors locked! Even once they actually open, it can take a good half hour to process the big queue of TooEarlies but after that things go pretty fast until at least 9am, so the sweetspot is hitting CBP no earlier than 5:15am - at 5:30am and you might walk right to a kiosk, bu 5am probably means still waiting 10-15mins in a queue! Since everyone can book fasttrack Security now thanks to YVR Express, 90mins is actually a pretty safe margin to aim for with your flight time even without NEXUS/Global Entry... padding that to 2 hours since you're unfamiliar is more than adequate, so that means leaving downtown around 5am whether you cabuber or SkyTrain. You'll most likely end up with time to eat a sit-down breakfast and a couple of coffees before heading to your gate, which you might feel the need of with a ~4:30 alarmcall... but that's still an hour extra sleep compared to the official advice!
  8. Dagnabbit - I had to run out to the dentist, remembered I didn't actually answer this part, too late to Edit my first note now... Definitely much shorter than the walk you made earlier from cabin to SkyTrain - exact distance will depend which desks your airline is allocated, plus an extra walk to bag drop that again varies depending on desk location, but worst case is still ~a quarter mile. If your ship is in the furthest berth and airline the furthest desk and plane the furthest gate you might rack up not far off a mile in total, but more like half a mile max while encumbered by big suitcases.
  9. That's the right order - but if time is in any way pressing, you should check-in online (literally on the way to the airport if you can't manage to to it aboard, there's WiFi on SkyTrain now!) so you can avoid the sometimes-long lineup for the desks to check-in the old way. Pretty much everything you want to know is available on the YVR website - right down to which steps you do, in which order, literally for your exact flight(!), via the Departing Flights page... just find your flight and click 'My Journey' at the far right of the row. You can even see it in advance just by selecting your same flight but today/tomorrow, e.g. this link will probably stop working tomorrow once the Seattle-bound flight disappears off the screens but if you click it right now you'll be walked through an example of everything from how to get to YVR, to which check-in desks are for your flight, bag drop, security, Preclearance, all with reminders about Express and MPC and checking in online first, plus some Food options that you'll pass both Pre- and Post-Security! There are even links throughout to give you more details on what to expect from CATSA, CBP etc. Just in case, since everyone and their granny seems to have TSA Precheck, you won't find it any use here (no TSA!) - only Global Entry and NEXUS programs will count you as a Trusted Traveler here for the shorter lines (although as I mentioned before, YVR Express does let you choose a timeslot in advance for Security - and you don't need anything special to use that, with zero downside if you make a reservation and fail to get there within the +/-15mins (if you're too early, worst case is join the regular long queue; too late and they might let you through anyway if you're close to missing your flight... nobody wants people to miss a flight!)
  10. First folks off ship probably around 7:30am; unless you have been naughty or get very unlucky, CBSA aren't really interested in Customs duty for folks heading straight to the US, and all Immigration happens 'offscreen' before the ship even arrives in port - so if you don't hear your name announced to report to room X for a chat with CBSA, you will probably find that customs form handover takes seconds with perhaps a brief "How long are you staying in Canada?" type question. In fact, depending what the cruise route was, you might not even see CBSA at all (e.g. if you stopped in Victoria the day before, customs forms are usually handed it to reception aboard and ship staff given them all to CBSA). From front door of pier to SkyTrain entrance is maybe 7 minutes on foot; worst case on Sunday you just miss an airport train you might have to wait another 20 mins; travel time as mentioned above is 26mins and almost never varies as trains are 100% automated; the other variable is distance from ship to curb, as depending which berth you are in you might have to walk almost a quarter mile with some zigzagging, so lets say worst case an hour from ship to airport unless CBSA want to chat with you. Noon is certainly a safe timeframe for a same-day flight, but for self-disembarkers regardless of other ship volumes you can usually reach YVR within 90mins of docking time if you take SkyTrain, and by doing so you immediately avoid the worst queues (which happens when all those cruise transfer buses start disgorging hordes en masse around 9:30am, building for the next hour or so as YVR cannot process that number of people mostly all hammering a selection of noon to 2pm US-bound flights so all using the same bag drop, security, and of course CBP prescreening). If you have Global Entry, I'd have no concerns about you making a 10am flight - even without it, thanks to YVR Express you can at least guarantee a quicker Security experience so a 10:30am flight remains very low risk for self-disembarking SkyTrainers. But my recommendation is always to spend as many post-cruise nights as your time and money budgets allow! We've got more stuff here that you can do on foot or by dirt-cheap public transit than every port in Alaska put together even if you include their lengthy bus and train rides, and every thing here is discounted about a third for folks used to greenbacks! Plus, you can book a ludicrously early flight if you stay overnight, which IMO are always the best flights - rested crews who overnighted here, usually cheaper fares than the noonish flights, and as long as you remember that CBP don't start work until 4:30am (and the start-of-shift briefing means they don't actually do any processing for another 10-15mins) and avoid turning up much before 5am because '3 hours before my flight is 3/4am!' you won't even have to wait in line much for anything - as long as you meet the bag check threshold (minimum 1 hour preflight for any checked bags), you WILL get through security and Prescreening in time to make your flight unless you've been naughty by US standards and CBP want to give you the rubber glove treatment!
  11. Your problem is that most of our tourist sites are walkable from the pier, or have a shuttle bus that leaves from right outside! So even if you discount the things you need to get in a vehicle to go visit you still have to cut a list of dozens of possiblities down to maybe 3 or so... So I'll provide my standard answer - get everyone in your group (well, probably not the youngsters who don't read well yet!) to hit up TripAdvisor. Given your single day, you shouldn't need to dig beyond the Top Ten listings to figure out at least three that sound really good to you - compare everyone's lists and see where they overlap, negotiate a little (or just split up for part of the day, free city WiFi #VanWiFi enables messaging and maps even without a dataplan) to help firm up your short-tlist. Then if you don't want to wait just fire up Google Maps; with the pier (Canada Place) as your starting point, you can easily find all your sites and how close they are on foot, by bike, by transit (full schedule datasets are provided to Google, they now power our official transit website so the data on G-maps literally is the same as on Translink) or by car (cabuberlyft). You can even check pricing on the latter, although in general if you don't leave the core it's pretty hard to get a cab fare into double digits. Or you can come back and tap local expertise - sometimes it's not just absolute distances and directions, but e.g. time of day because of commuter traffic, so we might be able to suggest doing your top three in the most efficient order and putting you somewhere that you have have good food options at the appropriate times of day, that sort of thing, so even if you have pre-Googled yourself we might be able to add some extra value. If still in doubt, just book the HOHO for the day and store your bags at or near the pier (e.g. Pan Pacific hotel inside the building, $10ea last year) - transpo between many popular sites, flexible schedule so you can get off for as long as you want, and a handy spiel about what you're seeing from the bus - and get off at the places it stops at that seem interesting. While the last run is usually done by 6pm even in summer, that's good enough for your purposes as you'll want time to get some dinner and collect your bags before heading out to YVR (<30mins and <US$3pp by SkyTrain, not much longer by cab but about US$30 on the meter, Uber might save a couple of bucks) for about 10pm. You won't Preclear on your flight, CBP stop work at 8:30pm, so you only have bag drop and security which should both be quick at that time, so the official 3 hour preflight timeline really is a waste of time for redeyes.
  12. I think that the current Hons may not actually be connected to the original Hons except in name - I can't recall offhand the details of the minor scandals around ownership changes, but we always felt that Olympic Village was more like a food court version of the original, shorter menu and everything just tasted a little more meh. Enough so that we only tried it twice - and it seemed the same, not bad but not as good as it was (so for OP, if you enjoyed it last time it will probably taste the same again this time, consistency doesn't seem to be an issue!) Man, it must have been three years that Congee Noodle House was closed, between the collapse of the parking lot and 'vid related delays- dark times indeed! I guess you must be closer to King than we are - I haven't been there for years, since they closed Carleton school; King and Jambo were the staple 'go for lunch with the teachers' choices because they were both tasty and quick (your mention of King made me check what's still open over there - still a lot of good options on those last few blocks of Kingsway before Boundary that tourists never get out to - and I was very excited to see that Jambo is back to buffets at least during Ramadan, for what looks like the best-priced Iftar meal in the city at $25 a head! So thanks for the very random chain of co-inky-dinks your post set off, cheap and hopefully tasty blast from the past dinner for me on Friday!)
  13. Your timing should be fine - just be aware that unless you get lucky and they start offering 'sealed bus transfers' again (where you technically never enter Canada, boarding a bus within the pier while still under US jurisdiction, literally having a sticker placed over the closed door, then only the sticker needs checked at the border to ensure it remains intact and nobody needs to get off) expect that you will need to get off at the border, schlep your own bags inside to be scanned then back out to the bus again after you've been processed - with no trolleys or porters available, and if anyone gets secondary questions/owes duty the lot of you wait and wait until CBP make their mind up about letting foreigners in/figure out how much duty is owed for US residents etc. It's not a long distance, usually about a bus length to the door and a similar distance inside to the scanners; and sometimes you get lucky with CBP only wanting to see people not bags, or even having an officer board the bus and walk the aisle having a quick shufty at everyones passports (especially if it's reeeeaaalllly busy the rules get relaxed - but only for Yanks & Canucks; one time we had a South African couple aboard so that meant everyone had to go inside while other buses got to drive past us... man, were those folks unpopular!!!) So I'd say that if you have minimal border wait, you might be at Seatac within 3.5 hours; 4hrs is a realistic estimate for midweek; but if you assume 5hrs and some bag-schlepping you should only be pleasantly surprised!
  14. In theory the marathon shouldn't impact you in the slightest - all the road closures are west of Canada Place, and whether you disembark at the back of the train and pop out at Granville & Hastings, or the front and come up through Waterfront station itself on Cordova, you should be able to walk without anything preventing you accessing the direct routes... but there will be many people walking from the finish toward SkyTrain, or just to go for brunch somewhere in Gastown, so the sidewalks will be unusually full of sweaty, tired people with medals on! Feel free to congratulate any of the finishers you pass, and try not to trip anyone up with a wheely bag! 😉 Hopefully your inbound flight is on time and your passage through CBSA is smooth - I would consider precompleting ArriveCAN if I were you (it's no longer required, BUT it allows you to predeclare your customs paperwork and skip to head of that line - when scanned at the kiosk, instead of answering all the questions you should just see 'You already completed this - any changes or still the same?') It's not a big time saving, you answer the same couple of minutes worth of questions as at the kiosks, but literally every second might make the difference if your flight ends up delayed so doing that preflight, on your own phone at home, is one less worry for the airport as the clock counts down toward "Oh crap, the ship sailed already!" o'clock...
  15. If you're considering a car rental, then with four bums on seats the cost of parking becomes far more reasonable - in particular, check Lynn Canyon park (inconvenient on transit for visitors, but with a car the free-except-parking cost compared to almost US$200 for 4 senior tickets is a helluva steal) and consider doing Stanley Park piecemeal by car - parking rates are for the entire park, you can move spots as often as you like within the time you buy, which greatly cuts down on walking distances... totem poles and prospect point have parking right next to them, most other popular spots like the rose garden are a short walk from the nearest lot). I'd also look into the Squamish sites - Britannia Mining Museum, waterfall, gondola ride all work out much more convenient with your own car and you can drive through Stanley on the way out or back - and Steveston village in south Richmond, Burnaby Village Museum, Fort Langley. Heading out of town southward, or coming back, Queen Elizabeth Park is another spot that's easier to do by car (transit is frequent, but you have to walk uphill!) even though it's in the city - likewise, UBC campus museums and gardens are worth paying parking for compared to bus fares, as campus itself is pretty big!
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