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  1. It’s very tough right now. Increased production of tests will take time and frankly, the market has to be there. The Recent Biden speech confuses matters considerably, - what he proposed regarding testing is a great idea that has been preached since the beginning of the pandemic, but the devil is in the details of launching the testing program. A lot of test kits have expired unused and the manufacturers will want some guarantees before ramping up production. Another problem is manufacturing capacity - will we start to run low on testing for other illnesses, we’ve already seen some of that. Im going to sound nagging now, but the best insurance is to isolate yourself, including masking when no one else is (I swear that’s the hardest!) for a couple of weeks before the trip. Get a PCR 1 week out and have a backup plan. If you have to fly cross country or transatlantic, maybe this isn’t the time to go, sad to say.
  2. Agree, it is pure luck that rapid Ag tests are going to catch any cases in asymptomatic people. I think there might be 2 things going on - one is to discourage people with mild symptoms from ignoring them and sailing anyway and second , maybe CDC wanted testing at the pier and Celebrity demonstrated why that was a bad idea in a spectacular fashion. ( although they might be able to make it work given more than 2 days to prepare ). Posters here have talked about why don’t the cruiselines get together and jointly offer testing at the pier - I don’t think the finances of that work out, plus you can see from these threads and your experience Rick, that flying into the port is a big issue - you want to know if you are going to be denied boarding before you leave home. We are in the uncomfortable transition period. Eventually, I think CDC will allow the ships to treat Covid more like Noro - isolate, contact trace, manage symptoms, don’t kick people off unless that person is truly ill. But there will be a number interim changing requirements before then. Two advances in the pipeline that will help cruising are the nasal vaccine and the universal Covid vaccine - one because it should reduce transmission by vaccinated people and the other because it will generally decrease the danger of respiratory viruses.
  3. That link might rate its own thread. I recognize some of those as insurance companies, but have not read about many of them as travel insurance sources here on CC.
  4. We saw Reflection in Aug when we were leaving FLL, don’t think she has sailed across Atlantic since?
  5. All I can think Rick, is that since they are using Ag tests, and delta has a compressed incubation as compared to alpha, that they would catch a few more people by going to 2 days. The Ag tests are still poor at identifying asymptomatic infections, so I don’t get how they help, other than persons who “just have the sniffles” being caught as Covid positive- and there’s no way to know how many of those there are. The part where I think CDC is being unscientific about this is in not factoring in the data and experience of cruising over the past few months when decisions were made. I guess they have to treat cruiselines as a monolith, where the experience and the financial imperatives of say Carnival and Celebrity are very different.
  6. On our August cruise, the elevators were rarely crowded, but after the first couple of days I started masking when I got on an elevator with someone else, I just felt more comfortable. Honestly though, given the short period of time you are on an elevator, I’m not sure what the risk is, and may not matter if the other people are actually on with you, vs just got off the elevator.
  7. We’ve done Chefs Table twice on Celeb, once on Princess. One Celeb was just a few weeks ago, one of the first post-Covid. Honestly, on Celebrity, I would wait until we are well through Covid. The galley tour, especially on S class is a real highlight and it is not being done right now. The food and wine is a cut above Luminae and Murano, but you have to pay for the pairings, so it is a pricy evening. Huge amount of food to eat. It is a small group of people dining in the Murano wine room, so tight quarters if you are concerned about infection. The other issue at all Cefs Tables is that there is often one person or one couple that imbibes a bit too much or is just annoying, that can ruin the dinner for everyone else. Or you can get lucky and have a convivial group - I’ve had both scenarios. can be a good way to burn onboard credit with some wonderful wines not usually available by the glass
  8. Since everyone has been so helpful: Ian Rankin - Edinburgh series, gritty, atmospheric, relative short reads, excellent!
  9. Have enjoyed at least one from all those authors except Krueger and Jonasson, will have to put them on my list. Not a fan of MC Beaton or of her books under her other name, just couldn’t like them. the author of the Mississippi books is Iles, no “s” - don’t mean to be snarky, just didn’t want someone to get frustrated searching for it.
  10. Notice in Jim’s picture that the cards are basically identical.
  11. Glad I went to Venice and stayed in Venice, years ago, almost 20. Ev en back then it was a whole different place when evening came and the day trippers cleared out, can only imagine what it was like the last several years. I do feel for people who have to rework plans.
  12. You are getting there! To be complete, and someone will correct me if I’m wrong, #s 2 and 3 are actually the same test, it’s just that one comes with the telehealth observation of collection and running the test and the other you do the test, but have no proof of identity or result.
  13. Most IDNow NAAT tests that get results rapidly are collected and done onsite in an urgent care or a pharmacy. It is the collection that is supervised, so yes they count. You could theoretically do at home collection for an IDNow NAAT, and I’ve done it, but not for travel because the collection wouldn’t count
  14. I hope your late night rant was directed at the USAToday article and not at me, because i completely agree with your rant, i also deleted the positive predictive value, etc because I don't keep that knowledge right up front as you do, I have to look it up, and I was really tired. (Actually hoping you would chime in) I didn't check the date on the USAT article, but I suspect it was several months old and heavily edited. The experts I think were trying to be reassuring because honestly a lot of the earliest Ag and Ab tests were a joke - we validated/tried to validate several of them - and created the internet misinformation that the article is trying to refute. I know exactly what you are talking about population level vs machine level, learned that the hard way during the spring of 2020. When the end users of your data know exactly what those numbers mean (or mostly, LOL) and know how the numbers fit into the entire clinical picture of the patient, then I have the luxury of only worrying about the accuracy of the numbers that are turned out. We were figuring out context as we went along. The question of "do I need to make a second appt in case my test is falsely positive" is a still a good question with no absolute answer. Right now, I would say no, because if your test is positive it is likely true positive, even if you are vaccinated, but at some point that could change, ?when.
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