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  1. Please don't twist my words. I didn't say the CDC has jurisdiction over Viking. I said that the CDC has taken a position as to how often one should get tested following a suspected or known exposure to Covid. You didn't respond to the substance of the CDC's position. And if there's another medical authority, with or without jurisdiction over Viking, that takes a different position than the CDC regarding how long to wait before testing, by all means cite that authority. But you didn't do that, either. You also suggest that we don't "like" Viking's Health & Safety Program. We nev
  2. Several comments: First, you're twisting my words. I never said that Viking's daily testing requirement is "bad," or "intrusive," or not in the T&Cs. I said the requirement is unnecessary. I cited several reasons for that position. Second, you didn't address my point about the CDC's 3-5 day recommendation. Again, for fully vaccinated people who don't exhibit Covid symptoms, they don't need to get tested -- per yesterday's CDC circular -- for 3-5 days after a "suspected or known exposure." Following your logic, they should get tested every day whether at home, travel
  3. When my wife and I visited Iceland last month, we had to go into quarantine for several hours while we waited for results from the PCR test the government required at the time. That’s what the government called it — a quarantine. If the shoe fits, wear it.
  4. But the CDC says "no testing" until 3-5 days after the exposure. Your interpretation is circular and would swallow the CDC's rule: "If you've been around someone who has COVID-19, you should get tested 3-5 days after your exposure, even if you don't have symptoms."
  5. There’s no reason to get snarky, Tom. You asked me for an alternative and I gave you one — an alternative that seems consistent with the CDC’s advice (which you didn’t address).
  6. I thought of your point as a possible justification. It’s a variant of the “floating petri dish” theory, i.e., that due to their close quarters, cruise ships by their nature are more susceptible to close interaction and the potential spread of a communicable disease. In September, we plan to visit one of the most densely populated places in the world (Malta). We’ll be rubbing shoulders with a lot of people while we’re there, first on our own and then after we join the Viking Venus. The ship will feel unpopulated compared to the situation on shore. Still, neither the Maltese governm
  7. On a 7-day Welcome Back cruise? If I were in charge, I would require fully vaccinated passengers to test upon embarkation, midway through the cruise, and right before departure — 3 tests in all. That seems more than sufficient considering what the CDC says about testing no less than 3-5 days after a known exposure. Folks who show symptoms, of course, would be tested right away.
  8. Testing 3-5 days after an exposure is a far cry from rote testing on an immediate or daily basis, regardless of whether there’s been an exposure.
  9. We're talking about daily testing, Tom, not about quarantine. I'm curious what you think about the CDC's current guidance on testing -- specifically, its position that fully vaccinated people without Covid symptoms don't need to be tested following exposure to someone with Covid. Do you agree with that guidance? In terms of the requirements in the first bullet, my wife and I satisfied that requirement before we left Iceland.
  10. The CDC's guidance is current and, I presume, based on scientific reasoning. That's what I trust.
  11. The CDC states: "Fully vaccinated people with no COVID-19 symptoms do not need to be tested following an exposure to someone with COVID-19." If fully vaccinated people with no symptoms don't need to be tested following such an exposure, then why do they need to be tested -- daily, even -- when there's been no known exposure at all? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/symptoms-testing/testing.html
  12. False choice. I said above that we hope to cruise with Viking in September, and that we will comply with the protocols — including daily testing — even though we don’t believe there’s a scientific justification for many of them. We may not like the rules, but that doesn’t require us to cruise elsewhere.
  13. Perhaps it is indeed a marketing decision -- "we test daily so you can feel safer," regardless of whether daily testing actually makes one safer. Many Viking passengers are risk-averse when traveling -- it's one of the reasons why they choose cruising over independent travel -- so daily testing assuages their concerns, regardless of whether there's any scientific justification for that testing.
  14. Neither government requires or recommends daily testing for fully vaccinated travelers who don't exhibit symptoms.
  15. Once again, my wife and I weren't tested daily when we were traveling in Iceland on our own. Such testing was neither required nor recommended. The issue, then, is simple. What is the logic behind DAILY testing, on a Viking ship, when neither the Iceland government nor the United States government -- nor any other government to my knowledge -- requires or recommends DAILY testing for fully vaccinated travelers who don't exhibit symptoms? What is that logic?
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