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  1. We are all experts about something in our own minds. With all due respect, your CV doesn't impress me much - your posts reveal much more. 95% of your last past doesn't contribute much to the topic of this thread. "Is cruising necessary?" "What are the long-term effects of being the first one to return?" "Do people want to fly for 6 hours?" There are dozens of other threads in which you can discuss these issues. Now, do you understand why CDC cannot do anything about the opening of Disney World or Universal in Florida? Do you understand why CDC cannot stop a university from holding in-person classes? Do you understand why CDC can't enforce social distancing, say, in the bars in Texas? And, then, do you understand why CDC is still able to control how cruise ships operate? Unless you can show you can grasp these concepts, there isn't much for us to discuss here.
  2. Your post here is just as misinformed as the one above (#3). #3 above shows you have no understanding of how CDC's authority is defined - or what it can or cannot do inside a state. And, now, in this post, you are jumping to conclusions that seem to exist only in your own mind. I would recommend doing your research first. Read CDC's detailed account of the cruise ship response back from July. Pages 7 onwards of: https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/No-Sail-Order-Cruise-Ships-Second-Extension_07_16_2020-p.pdf It is clear that the ships took CDC's early guidance and concerns without much seriousness leading to the NSO being extended in July. They had used the Washington lobbying firms (Brownstein, Crestview) with little success. Only with the new NSO extension did the operators start to understand the gravity of the situation - being that they would really have to go through the CDC. They started putting together these healthy sail panels and recruiting all sorts of healthcare executives. Fast forward to September, and the cruise lines may have found a way to start some cruising safely. (Well, they have already started in Europe.) BUT - absolutely no relationship or communication with the CDC. The CDC doesn't owe them anything. The cruise lines have to melt the ice. So, it's only in the last month or so that they have recruited government relations executives. CDC isn't budging anyways until after the elections - no need to open a new can of worms at this juncture - but the cruise lines still need to lay the groundwork today. Not much above is relevant to this thread - the least of which being whether it's safe to cruise or not - but if you are somehow crediting the new bill with cruise ship lobbying, you have very little understanding of how abysmal that effort has been in the past.
  3. If they had really brought their A-game to lobbying, we wouldn't have been in this predicament with the CDC in the first place.
  4. We have seen the governors take issue with the administration's potential meddling in the state lockdown matters. I say potential because a confrontation never came to pass, and I sense the administration realized they didn't have a case - despite a national emergency. Florida senators have pushed for a new cruising restart bill this week, so it looks states are willing to work with the cruise lines. Florida obviously has much more at stake than Hawaii. Hawaii has been more conservative all around but is also hemorrhaging more jobs.
  5. Here is an overview of what the federal law allows CDC to do: https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html
  6. As I understand it, CDC's jurisdiction is at the US border or between US states. NCL's Pride of America (PoA) sails wholly inside Hawaiian waters - that is, inside the state. If Hawaii allows PoA to sail, can CDC force a stoppage? I haven't sailed PoA yet. Do you go through any border controls or customs on this itinerary? Of course, NCL might not want to run afoul of the agency, but FDR (the CEO) is also getting a little impatient...
  7. Do a 10-nighter from Barcelona to Venice stopping in all your key Western Med ports and a couple of Eastern Meds too. There is so much to see in Europe in the summer that you can't do just a quick 7-nighter unless combining with a longer land-based tour. On our cruise trip to Europe, we spent 7 weeks, doing 4 cruises in all 4 corners - incl. Baltic and Norway - and still maybe saw just half of what had on our list!
  8. Hotels are where you budget will have to stretch. Anything comfortable, and you are looking $500+ a room per night at least in the tourist areas. These hotels have to earn their whole year worth of overhead in just a few months...
  9. This isn't any new debt issue - just a listing of their $750 million debt offering from July on this Bermudan exchange. I assume it's designed to let the bonds trade internationally on a tax-advantaged basis. None of the big three are going anywhere. There's too much cruising demand pent up, and the investors and their banks know it.
  10. No, that's one year too early. It's Norwegian Spirit followed by Cunard QE. That's about 30 nights altogether, and it would be nice to get off the ships for a few days in the middle. So, the first cruise - the 17-nighter - is pretty much the Indonesian and Queensland itineraries sewn together with those two sea days in between. If it was just Queensland, we would do pretty much what you suggest.
  11. Good points everyone - makes it more interesting to plan DIY. The two days at sea are followed by daily stops in Cooktown, Yorkeys Knob, and Airlie Beach. All three, I gather, are tender ports. Our initial plan would be to visit Uluru in a way to arrive in Cairns by the evening of the second sea day. Then, do a GBR pontoon or reef tour on our own while the ship is in Cooktown. This would give us all of the Yorkeys day to make it back to the ship (and even do the Skyrail/rainforest in the morning). We will have the key cards like everyone else, so returning to the ship should be OK. The weather is the big unknown. We are talking mid December. Looks like it's the start of the stinger / wet season. Will have to keep it in mind very very much.
  12. In the US, there is this Passenger Vessel Services Act (PVSA) which, among other things, prevents a cruise itinerary from starting and ending in a different port. We are talking one-way cruises. For instance, you can't do a New York to Miami cruise -- unless you visit a distant foreign port somewhere in between. PVSA also prevents cruises to nowhere. A ship has to visit a 'nearby' foreign port in between for a closed-loop itinerary. I see several one-way Australian itineraries marketed by cruise ships -- one-way domestically, that is. Cunard, for example, has one-way trips between Sydney and Melbourne, and between Adelaide and Melbourne. Cruises to nowhere are also a staple in the Australian market. My question is, does Australia have a version of PVSA or another set of cabotage restrictions for passengers? Here is a bit of the background. We have booked back-to-back cruises for December 2021 with the first ship sailing from Singapore to Sydney and the second one proceeding to NZ from Sydney. The first itinerary has a stop in Darwin followed by two days at sea before arriving in Cairns. We would love to get off the ship in Darwin, fly to ASP/AYQ, tour Ayers rock, and re-join the ship in Cairns. The ship would then take us from Cairns to Sydney, and this is the part not allowed under the US laws. (Or, you could pay $800pp to 'flout' it.) I will eventually deal with the the cruise line on this topic next year - once we know where the world stands at that time - but I am looking to do a bit of planning now. Evidently, the ships can't stop you from disembarking early, but they can still disallow re-joining. That's where knowing the rules can help my discussion with them. If they have a boilerplate 'no, can't do' answer, I will push for an explanation. Any thoughts?
  13. The holiday cruises tend to have a bit younger crowd. If you sail in January or February instead, you will be among familiar demographics.
  14. You might gain some water weight since the food onboard is full of condiments - read sodium.
  15. Well, if we have all made it to 19 pages of this 'rant', let's cut Celebrity some slack.
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