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  1. It was yesterday or the day before. It came from CruiseLawNews, so....
  2. Those saying Mexico is hot right now, and I'm crazy for wanting to cruise. I think you missed the entire point of my post. If it hadn't been deleted you could all see that I was one of the few saying Covid was a big deal before it really started and folks started complaining about me and I received multiple warnings from the board. I'm not saying let's all jump on a cruise ship and find ways around the protections and etc. The point of the post is, with what happened on the most recent cruise, the CDC is going to regulate the cruise industry out of business. Meaning impose such strict restrictions upon them that there is no way they could ever make a profit. I don't think anyone is going to be surprised if there are no cruises in 2020, and with the length of time it is naturally going to take to distribute a vaccine once one is found to work safely, the majority of 2021 cruising will be gone too. Keep in mind even this is pie in the sky speculation. Realistically it could be 2022 or 23 before cruising could happen out of the US and have nothing to do with true safety. The CDC is a government/political agency. Before COVID we all took the same risk that the cruise you were on wouldn't have a Noro outbreak. We have been on 20, never experienced it, but you see it happen on other cruises. Long before 2022 it is going to be brought mostly under control, there will be outbreaks though. I believe Dr. Fauci when he says Covid will likely never go away. I also believe that unless it does go completely away the CDC will never green light cruises from US ports (leaving from or visiting). Which leads us back to the title of this post. If not from the US, where? At some point that needs to be decided by all the cruise lines. Close their doors or come up with a plan B.
  3. This is a speculative post, I know some don't like those, no problem, just move on. Facts being assumed that aren't in evidence. There will be no cruises in 2020 out of the US, after the latest Covid outbreak on a cruise ship the CDC is going to tighten restrictions even further. A vaccine will be ready by the end of this year. Distribution of the vaccine will take a large part of 2021, into the fall, maybe the whole year I've read in a few places. CDC will mandate a vaccine before being allowed to cruise. When do the cruise lines do an end around? Stop cruising out of Florida and start cruising out of Cozumel. They have the docking room with 8, the Cancun airport is close and equipped for a large number of passengers. They would need to add a check in area at the port and that's about it. The Yucatan peninsula is geared for tourism already, fly in the day before, stay at a resort, get on a ship. Just like we do in Miami/Ft. Lauderdale. Benefits for the cruise lines, cost savings would be number one. All you do is get on a ship in FL and immediately start heading south anyway, originating out of Cozumel saves money on fuel. Bypasses the CDC completely. This could be extremely bad if poorly handled, or work out well it handled well. Implement the guidelines that make sense, add a few of their own, like a full day of cleaning/dis-infecting before turn around (ie disembark Sat, next cruise doesn't leave until Sun). Omit the ones that may make sense but are close to impossible to achieve with no revenue stream (every crew member having their own cabin. Completely rebuild the ship, or cut crew staffing in half and passengers by 3/4 are about the only options). I'm not even sure this one makes sense. NCL has some ships with private crew cabins, but they share a bathroom, defeating the whole purpose. Things have been regulated out of business before, so there is a history. These aren't American companies we are talking about. It will hurt the US embarkation ports, but really not that much. I would say the majority of cruisers still fly in the day of and leave the day returning. At this point, options have to be being discussed behind closed doors. The most difficult part would be they would all have to do it together.
  4. So your advice is what? Make money magically appear? I notice you didn't offer any. So, Ptroxx. Let's hear your sage wisdom, or STFU. Have you ever even been unemployed before? The advice I gave I have followed myself, and it is advice I've received from the experts. ONLY deal with and pay people that can take something away from you, credit card companies can't.
  5. You will be amazed what you and your family can live without, and the hopefully long term habits you develop. Call the people that hold your mortgage and any vehicle loans. They will work with you, they don't want your house or your car back. Call the utility companies, they will work with you too, a lot of them may have funds that will pay your bill for you. Call the people that you have credit cards with, tell them you won't be paying them a dime, ever. Keep internet, but turn off all cable or satellite (or if you have had the same provider for a while switch to either cable or satellite and save even more). Call friends and family and see who will let you use their Netflix account. Lights are evil, get everyone in the habit of not turning them on or turning them off as soon as they are done. Unplug electronics that aren't being used, turn the temp on the fridge up just a smidge. Sign up for the COBRA health care from your employer (if they were providing your health care), 401K money can be used for medical expenses, this includes premiums, with no penalty. The vast majority of people end up in better financial shape after a layoff.
  6. This is exactly correct. This is also the same reason easing stay at home orders too early won't work. The first week the tables in the restaurant will be 6 feet apart and the staff will be sanitizing and wearing gloves, but after that people will get lazy, the table will get closer, etc.
  7. Cutting us loose now is insane and I hope his advisers talk him out of it. It isn't even close to being bad yet. The theory behind it is going to be open the restaurants and etc, just enforce social distancing all tables need to be 6' apart, same with seats in theaters, etc. Employees must wear gloves, stuff disinfected. It will work for about a week. Then folks will start getting lazy and that 6' will turn into 4', gloves won't be changed, no disinfecting today because they were out but will start back up tomorrow when they get some in. Then it is going to come roaring back, and all the sacrifices made up until this point will have been for naught.
  8. No chance, even if the drugs they are looking at now work you would be looking at Sept/Oct If the drugs don't pan out and the curve gets flattened to the point it needs to be this could drag into next year.
  9. Excellent post Another thing to keep in mind, this is still months away from actual realistic use. The FDA has been burned in the past acting too quickly, their whole purpose is to not let something like this thru too quickly with no after the fact information. Studies start in NY on Tuesday, compassionate use approval's will be scattered around elsewhere. So, ideally. NY starts Tuesday, by this coming weekend everyone it is used on is better. FDA will monitor this group for 30 - 60 days, then nation wide approval of use.
  10. The pure human sacrifice has brought me to tears...🤑
  11. Thank God it got to dock. Hope they get home soon.
  12. I understand all that, however: A novel coronavirus is a new coronavirus that has not been previously identified. The virus causing coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), is not the same as the coronaviruses that commonly circulate among humans and cause mild illness, like the common cold. A diagnosis with coronavirus 229E, NL63, OC43, or HKU1 is not the same as a COVID-19 diagnosis. Patients with COVID-19 will be evaluated and cared for differently than patients with common coronavirus diagnosis. Straight from the CDC website https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/faq.html People here accuse me of being a "Know it All". Being "Snarky". To get that info I just posted above, I googled "what is a novel coronavirus". First link after the pictures and hand washing video was the FAQ page for the CDC. This information is out there. What you just posted is literally disinformation.
  13. No conspiracy. Someone asked, I looked at it. My statements were factual. My last statement was the address was legit and it was hosted on their site. I have no idea why it isn't listed with their other press releases, so I offered a guess.
  14. The Swine flu was a flu. Since we have been dealing with the flu forever some people have a natural immunity to some strains. In example if the 2008 flu was an H4N1 flu then someone who was infected or got a shot in 2008 has the possibility to be immune because their body recognizes the virus (or at least part of it) and uses existing antibodies to try and kill it while still developing new H1N1 antibodies. So they get infected but they don't get sick. Because of this the transmission rate was 24% The flu also only transmits after you are sick. So you look ill and feel ill so you stay away from people and people stay away from you. Covid-19 is a brand new virus never seen by the human immune system before. NO ONE has a natural immunity. In theory it has a 100% transmission rate, if you are exposed you will get it. That being said, the 100% number will never be reached because of herd immunity, however, estimates are from 67% - 80% transmission rate. Covid - 19 you are infectious for up to two weeks before you feel any symptoms, some people even after symptomatic don't feel bad enough to miss work or social functions so you mingle with the uninfected public. That is why this is so much more dangerous than any flu. The media hasn't fanned this fire, they have done everything they can to hide it's true potential. Until very recently. The information was there, it just wasn't reported.
  15. Being over sometime in the July/August time frame. Technically that is true, but it isn't going to look that way. At that time 100's of millions are still going to be sick, however multiple 100's of millions will have recovered making herd immunity work. People's and government's reaction to this is going to be interesting. Imagine Trump getting on TV and saying open all the stuff again and let's get this economy moving with the number's listed above. While he is correct and then it will be much safer than it is now when people are only seeing 20 people sick in their states in the Midwest. So the question becomes, will they cut us loose come July/August or are we going to end up being stuck waiting for the numbers to get lower so it "looks" safer.
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