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True. And really obvious and many ways to address it. And the OPs title and subject was about Haven - so just trying to get his thread back on track 🙂 Happy sailing

Your Haven luggage would have Haven tags on it as well, yes? Both embarkation and debarkation. Have you received your Haven tags?

You make a Great point One has to wonder --are the interlopers aka trespassers.. also open to going into neighborhoods they don't live in? Into homes to "see" what others have/use? Going into a neighbors yard to use their pool? Why do folks think they can do this on a ship (don't have the ticket/contract of carriage)? We have been on sailings when as many as 6 trespassers at one time have been removed by butlers/security at lunch because lobster was being served at the pool grill. and they were in suite class they didn't buy 🙄

I'm suggesting the OP find a different cruise line--something with small boutique ships under 200 pax...and skip Haven

Was it an amaretto sour thing? Or a twist on an old fashion? I did try it on a recent sailing- Was very strong and sweet.

Maybe Smaller ships- boutique size are a better fit if "180 is manageable and 400 isn't" We will be 2 in a suite that holds 6 TO avoid crowd- do like others suggest: Sail when kids are generally in school, low season and then multiply -- Cabins for 2, Cabins for 4, 6 etc. If that number is over your 180, then NCL Haven is likely the wrong cruise experience for you Good luck and let us know what you choose.

This. @JamieLogical does an outstanding job.

@Sthrngary THAT story about the boorish and rude imposter is shocking and crazy. I imagine it took a good bit of self control to give him enough room to hang himself. If he was that impertinent in person, imagine what he is like behind a screen and on a keyboard. Thanks to you for your posts and what you contribute to this CC community. It is appreciated.

How did your sailing go? We had Ryan and Susmita in Le Muse as well a few sailings before yours

Hangry and other peoples kids does make for unfortunate circumstances Thanks for the post

Spring break --ugg I hear you and we try to avoid sailing then so its more adults Starbucks--I thought that was an upcharge and required premium plus (same for bottled waters) Was that not the case on Viva? Vandalism... that sounds awful. What a shame that some ruin it Were the open eateries busy between meal hours? Meaning it was after lunch (and a later afternoon all aboard 3:30p) and Before dinner service which is maybe 2-3 hours later.

TYVM Didn't know this. Will take a look

As the OP notes, plenty of rudeness, lack of civility, ignorance, and entitlement to go around Lack of manners, please, thank you, holding doors etc Lack of manners in-out of elevators Lack of table manners Lack of proper dress code Using cell phones loudly in public Using personal music and screens without ear buds Chair hogs Gluttons with piles of wasted food Rudeness to crew and staff and its not isolated to a certain culture, nation, class, economic level.. plenty of it all around.

Somebody posted about doing it to make them work--and incentivize. So not directed at those of us needing the reminders. No offense meant

@graphicguy @RocketMan275 TYVM Yes those things make sense in being great pax ourselves as much as anything. We sincerely appreciate those that serve in the hospitality industry. Peeves me when people post things about how to manipulate the workers (take pics of nametags so they will work "harder' for hero cards etc) Trying to get @Sthrngary s thread back on track 😉