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  1. IMHO, there will probably be some cruise lines going into bankruptcy. However, there is also a good chance that they will also eventually come out of it, simply because it makes no sense for creditors to liquidate a cruise line at a time when it would be almost impossible to sell a cruise ship.
  2. It may depend on the ship. On the Edge, there are 176 suites, which are 12.0% of the total rooms on the ship. By comparison, on an M-Class ship, there are 50 suites, which are 4.6% of the rooms on the ship. Maybe, Celebrity is just not able to provide the same quality of service in Luminae to the 176 Edge suites as it is able to provide to the 50 suites on the Infinity. 4.6% is a much more select group than 12.0%. I am not sure that any other mainstream cruise ship has 12% of its rooms in the exclusive class and, perhaps, it is just too many. Certainly the percentages of rooms in The Haven on Norwegian or in the Yacht Club on MSC are both much less than 12%. They both are between 4% and 5% (like the suite percentage on the M-Class Celebrity ships). Of course, luxury cruise lines like Seaborne or Silversea can provide exclusive service to everyone. However, Celebrity does not have either the food budget or the Crew to Passenger ratio that those luxury lines have. My wife and I mostly cruise on M-class ships and we have never seen any overcrowding in Blu on those ships. On those occasions when we have cruised in suites, the service in Luminae has been excellent. We have never been on the Edge.
  3. The people occupying the larger suites are escorted onto the ship and to Michael's Club (or The Retreat) so people see who they are. We Sky Suite peons can go to Michael's too but we have to find our own way.
  4. "Should be" is just an opinion and everyone is welcome to his or her opinion. The Welcome Aboard lunch in the MDR is for Concierge Class people and the Welcome Aboard lunch in Luminae is for Suite Class people. I cannot think of any objective reason why B2B cruisers who are not in either of those classes should be invited to one but not the other, other than historical practice. This circles back to the OP's point. B2B cruisers who are not in suites are not invited to the Welcome Aboard lunch in Luminae because having them in Luminae would probably cause overcrowding at that venue. This is exactly the reason why Suite Class cruisers should not be invited to Blu.
  5. Back-to-back cruisers on their second (or subsequent) cruises are invited to the embarkation day lunch in the MDR, regardless of what kind of room they are in (although they have a choice of either the MDR or Luminae if they are in a suite). I think B2B cruisers were invited to lunch there even before CC cruisers were.
  6. But you can get a flu shot and, even though that doesn't guarantee you will not get the flu, it means that you would probably get a mild case if you do. Those 10,000 who died in the US are nearly all people who did not get the vaccine or who had compromised immune systems. No vaccine for this Corona virus is expected until 2021.
  7. I do not know the answer to that but I can repeat (from the Washington Post) that "Japan’s prime minister said Thursday that foreigners would not be allowed to get off Holland America Line’s Westerdam, which left Hong Kong on Saturday, unless under special circumstances." The implication is that "foreigners" will not get off the ship when the Japanese citizens get off. It is possible that the Post miss-translated Prime Minister Abe's statement but it is also possible that they are simply waiting until they can safely disembark those passengers who need urgent medical attention or who are citizens of Japan.
  8. Since the ship does not fly the Japanese flag, I believe that international law would allow them to disembark the passengers who are Japanese citizens and then provision the ship and order it to leave.
  9. That really sounds horrible. If prisoners were treated that way, it would probably be considered cruel and unusual punishment.
  10. Actually, it was the OP who suggested that suite guests are causing the overcrowding at Blu. If that is not the case, then I am not sure what the point of this whole thread is. The Reflection is a special case; it has 20 more Aqua Class rooms (on deck 12) than the other S-Class ships even though Blu is the same size on the Reflection as on the other S-Class ships. I do not think that Blu is as crowded on any other ship as it is on the Reflection.
  11. Celebrity Infinity (19 years old): 4.61% of rooms are suites and 9.86% of rooms are AQ. Celebrity Edge (2 years old): 12.00% of rooms are suites and 7.91% of rooms are AQ. Seems like it is suites that they are adding, not Aqua Class cabins. There are 176 suites on the Edge (all but 30 being Sky Suites). I have never been on the Edge (because my wife and I prefer the M-Class ships) but it seems hard to understand how they can provide the same perks to those 176 suites that they provide to the 50 suites on an M-Class ship. However, with 1 1/2 times as many suites on the Edge as there are AQ cabins, it is easy to see how suite passengers could overwhelm Blu.
  12. Much easier yes but also less practical. Last time I was on B2B cruises, I was in AQ class for part 1 and in a Sky Suite for part 2. On the last night of the first cruise, the headwaiter at Blu, knowing that DW and I were B2B, said that he was looking forward to seeing us on the next cruise. Not knowing that suite passengers could dine at Blu, I told him that we were assigned to dine at Luminae on the second cruise. He responded that we were still welcome at Blu and (his opinion not mine) that Blu was better than Luminae. That is just the attitude that Celebrity has and it is not likely to change; suite passengers are welcome at any venue.
  13. You are missing the point. This has nothing to do with compensating AQ guests but simply with eliminating overcrowding. For simplification, suppose that a ship carries 100 suite guests and 200 AQ guests and that Luminae has a capacity of 100 and Blu has a capacity of 200. If 10 of the suite guests decide to dine at Blu, there will be only 90 guests at Luminae and 210 guests at Blu. Therefore, Luminae will have empty tables and Blu will be overcrowded. However, if 10 AQ guests are invited to Luminae, then each restaurant will be exactly at capacity. Of course, this will not be of much use if either restaurant does not have enough capacity to even accommodate the people in the class it was designed to serve. However, that would be a different problem unrelated to the issue raised by the OP.
  14. What I was suggesting was a trade that would have to be initiated by the suite passenger making a reservation to dine at Blu. I agree that a dinner at Luminae is more valuable than a dinner at Blu and, for that very reason, when I am a suite passenger I do not dine at Blu. However, it is the suite passenger's choice and there is no expense to Celebrity if a suite passenger chooses to trade places for one dinner with an Aqua Class passenger. The trade may be unequal but, since it has to be initiated by the person who is voluntarily giving up a more valuable dinner for a less valuable dinner, there is no reason not to allow. The reason to allow it would be to alleviate the overcrowding at Blu.
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