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  1. I'm not sure keeping healthy people on the Zandaam for a quarantine is a good idea.
  2. I mentioned this two days ago. Then I spoke to my cousin who is Army Corp of Engineers. He told me that Gitmo is not large enough. Their max capacity is 600 or so prisoners and they don't have enough land suitable to build out the infrastructure they would need to add tents or portable buildings. The small medical center there isn't equipped to handle the sick.
  3. I really like the idea of taking them all directly to a military base. It provides for a very secure quarantine situation. If nothing else it puts the cost of their care onto the US government who has a lot more options to get payment from HAL than a county would.
  4. The nearest US port would be Key West. They are under lock down, no one enters the Keys unless under very specific circumstances. Their hotels and guest houses are all shut down. They have one small hospital with only about 150 beds. Not an option. The best option is to bring them into a Naval base with a field hospital set up to care for the sick and quarantine facilities for the others. One thing people aren't thinking about is that most of these people aren't US citizens--who is paying for all of this? ICU can run $25K per day per person. Who is paying for it? HAL? The non-citizen's governments? Even holding people in quarantine for two weeks has a cost. Who will be paying for this. If the US government accepts this ship, US taxpayers will be shouldering the burden to care for these people who overwhelmingly don't pay us taxes. Even just to keep the healthy ones in quarantine will cost $25 a day per person just to feed them. That's half a million dollars right there. Medical bills could easily hit over $5M. Again I ask. Why is paying for this?
  5. Agreed. HAL should have negotiated the ability to keep the ship in port and sent chartered planes to pick up the passengers in order to repatriate them. I'm guessing the Chileans would have been fine having people go directly from the ship to the chartered planes.
  6. The numbers were lower and it wasn't confirmed as COVID-19? Or perhaps they never actually had permission to transit. Everything I've read was that HAL was "seeking permission," not that they had gained it.
  7. So were they off the ship in Punta Arenas or not? This indicates they were off the ship in Punta Arenas.
  8. No. Based on what I believe the translated meaning to be due to the illnesses on board. The literal translation is due to "sanitary conditions."
  9. I completely agree. Almost every cruise line stopped taking on new passengers starting March 14, and began ending cruises early and getting into ports and guests off the ships and home as soon as possible.
  10. Given what seems to be the age of most people on that ship, it would seem likely that they would have had one or two deaths anyhow. Still sad, but I wonder how many of the four deceased were non-Influenza or COVID-19 related.
  11. Most people I know who don't need one don't bother taking it along when they travel. Of course I don't know everyone.
  12. It's quite possible that there is a slight gap in translation and the typical American usage of the word sanitary. "Sanitary" also means "free from infectious disease." In Spanish speaking Panama, that could easily mean that they are refusing passage because the ship is not free from infectious disease.
  13. This was entirely my understanding as well. They will not be treating any type of infectious disease, and will be there for heart attacks, strokes, broken bones, appendicitis, gall stones, kidney stones, sutures, burns, etc.
  14. I also believe that if a bunch of people had tested positive for influenza, HAL would have said so as well as stating that they were working towards getting more Influenza kits and Tamiflu to the ship. Because they weren't saying "Influenza" from the start made it pretty easy to read between the lines that this was not an Influenza outbreak. The Influenza test requires a swab and 15 minutes to process. I've had it done at Minute Clinic to rule out Influenza when I've had an URI or sinus infection. I imagine that all ships would carry a supply of those test kits.
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