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  1. Just now, clo said:

    There's an enormous amount of space between these two scenarios. There are a gazillion fun things one can do without getting on a cruise ship...when there's no solid vaccine. Which will likely take 12-18 months to create and adequately test and then some years to be produced in large enough quantities to do worldwide vaccinations. (And I base my 'opinions' on reading hundreds of pages of info from reputable and verifiable sources.)


    There are laboratories that are currently producing 50,000 5 minute tests per day.  All we will need is a machine that can process 1,000 tests in 15 minutes...and that is already in the works.  It won’t be long before the ships will be able to sail again with what I consider acceptable risks.  The only problem will be the inability to land at ports or islands.  The ship and the private island will be the destination...which is fine with me.  


  2. Just now, clo said:

    Some people NEVER test positive and are still contagious. And asymptomatic. With those I guess you have to just wait until others get sick. If you take ONE 'infected' person off the ship, what has it accomplished since it's likely that others are now infected.


    The major problem Princess had was leaving the infected people onboard.  If an infected person is immediately removed it greatly reduces the threat of others becoming infected.  Heightened hygiene protocols will help with this.  I’m willing to cruise under those circumstances.
     

    It sounds to me that you want an iron clad guarantee.  That is not going to happen.  Some of us will take the odds and go cruising while others will continue to stay home and shelter.  


  3. 6 minutes ago, clo said:

    Oh my. So evacuate a passenger who has already infected others? Or evacuate the entire ship? And where?

     

    Re Pence's press secretary she had multiple negative test and then tested positive.


    So...you would rather leave an infected person onboard???  The truth is that we are going to have to accept the risk or continue to shelter.  The cruise lines are going to provide assurance that they will test you and they will evacuate you to a prearranged medical facility and the cost will be included in the cruise fare.  If all pax and crew are tested the chance of an infected person getting onboard is greatly reduced enough so I would chance booking a cruise under those circumstances.  Even if a vaccine is developed we will still run the risk of becoming infected.  


  4. 41 minutes ago, clo said:

    Testing negative and/or being asymptomatic doesn't mean they'll be that way a day later. See Pence's press secretary..


    Right...there will be a need for retesting and immediate evacuation.

     

    I have my doubts about the reliability of the press secretary’s first test.


  5. It’s going to take a lot more than wearing masks to get ships sailing again.  They will need a 5 minute CV19 test and temperature/oxygen testing before boarding.  The ship will be the destination since disembarking in a port or island will be impossible due to the risk of infection.  


  6. 13 minutes ago, sidari said:

    Three US airlines have told their cabin crew not to enforce airline policy of wearing masks once passengers have boarded the aircraft! 

    Why have the policy if you are not going to enforce it.


    The airlines are going to need more than masks.  I will not fly until I know all passengers and crew have been tested before boarding the plane.  Then I’ll still use a mask.  


  7. Infrared temperature check and a 5 minute CV19 test will be mandatory before boarding and during cruise.  It will be impossible to visit any islands until a vaccine becomes available.  Ships can visit private islands provided they can be controlled.  
    The ship will be the destination until remedies and vaccines become available.  Passengers and crew who exhibit any type of virus will need to be removed from the ship immediately.  This service will need to be included in the cruise fare.  
     

    Airlines will also need to do the same as above before they will be safe to fly.  


  8. On 5/12/2020 at 8:46 AM, Fouremco said:

    All of the private islands have local day workers supplementing the staff provided by the ship. Consequently, they too would have to be tested daily before being admitted to the island.


    MSC quarters their workers on the Ocean Cay.  They built housing so commuting is very limited. 


  9. 6 hours ago, Pushka said:

     

    And what happens at the next port? And crew would also need to be tested at the same time  Every port. 


    That is the main problem.  Unless there is a protected zone on each island the cruise will be extremely limited to the private island or a protected zone.  The ship would become the destination until a vaccine can be perfected.  


  10. 7 minutes ago, sheffield said:


    So as a medically vulnerable person my options are stay in for ever or die? Wow that’s some choice. It sounds like you don’t care and I’m afraid that is rapidly becoming the feeling in the US as well. I find it rather scary and depressing. 


    Wow...some people love to argue for the sake of arguing.  What part of “if they are so inclined” did you not understand??  OBTW  I will bet you that I am way more vulnerable to Covid 19 than you are.  I just chose not to be crippled by it.  


  11. 1 minute ago, npcl said:

    Have you thrown yourself a COVID-19 party with a number of infected individuals to make sure that you are contributing to herd immunity?  Hope it last most than a couple of months.  Immunity with corona viruses tend to be short lived.


    Really...and what scientific research have you seen??  


  12. 6 minutes ago, ECCruise said:

    Yep.   Herd immunity works great.   Well, except for the 2-3% that may die getting there (6.5-10 million Americans).  Or, in the very best estimates available (and widely disputed) less than 1% fatality rate means only around 3 million dead Americans.

    We're staying home until things get more clearly focused.  Likely won't be that long.


    If we are to get our economy up and running then we will have to accept the possibility of infection.  Elderly and medically vulnerable will have to continue to shelter if they are so inclined.  If we want to cruise we will also have to accept the possibility of infection as long as systems have been put in place that will prevent a recurrence of the past months.  


  13. This has been a very good thread so far.  
     

    We will need a machine that will process 1,000 tests in 15 minutes or less.

    We will need crews to be quarantined before boarding the ship.

    We will need a way to isolate and remove an infected pax quickly for any disease.

    We will need island cooperation for hospitalization.
    We will need pax to wear masks and social distance when going through the boarding and testing process.  This applies to ships and planes.

    We will need airlines to do the same.
    We will need less crowded cruise ships.  
    We will need crews to monitor and control more closely removing offending pax.
    We will need islands to cooperate with cruise lines.  
     

    Anyone care to add or elaborate??


  14. Just now, prim8keeper said:


    I’m aware of the test. Our health system is actually one of their customers for other lab test. However, even with that we still can not get the rapid test and have been given no time frame for when it will be available. Due to that fact alone there is no way they can supply the volume of test cruise lines will need anytime soon since they will continue to go to health systems/existing customers first. However, another lab may be able to step in and fill this need. That would be the route I personally would try to go. However, you will still have the issue though of someone being exposed during traveling right before boarding since the test may not pick it up yet since you have no way of knowing what they did/did not do as far as any precautions. You would need testing availability on the ships as well. It’s a complicated problem with no good/easy/cheap answers, but I have no doubt someone will eventually figure it out. It’s going to be interesting.


    A Presidential order invoking the Wartime Manufacturing Act could change that in minutes.  You are right...it’s going to be very interesting.


  15. 1 minute ago, charmed101 said:

     

     

    All passengers and staff to show up 14 days ahead of cruise,  all will live in a warehouse spaced 10 ft. apart.  Then on day of cruise all will be tested before getting on ship. No ports, just sail, eat and drink.  That's what it would take to get me on a cruise!!   ( I'm joking,  but as much as I enjoy it I'm not getting on a cruise ship in the foreseeable future.)


    You are not far off.  It has been suggested that a certain cruise line buy a hotel in Miami and quarantine every crew member as they come to join the ship.  They will also get the 5 minute test coming and going.  


  16. 11 minutes ago, Blackduck59 said:

    I think as cruisers all we can do is wait for the powers that be to set the criteria for the restart. Then you have to make the adult decision whether those measures are acceptable to you. You enter this being aware of the virus and you are also aware of things that help mitigate your own exposure. The key word here is "Adult" you have to make your choice just like I do. The cruise company can do everything right and still there is a possibility of exposure. Are you confident that being in the scrum at the Martini bar is the thing to do? Every time we travel we take a chance of something going wrong. You could get hit by a bus, crash your car or fall down the stairs without leaving your home town. 

    It will not be up to travelers to make the rules, it will be up to us to choose to follow them or not travel.


    Most accidents happen within a mile of home...lol.  I think we are all going to have to accept a certain amount of risk involving the CV.  


  17. 21 minutes ago, npcl said:

    However that is 5 minutes for 1 test on 1 machine.  For 1000 people that would be 5000 minutes of machine time 83.3 hours of processing time. To get it down to a reasonable wait you will need 30 machines.  Then what happens if anyone waiting in the terminal tests positive? You need to make sure that everyone is isolated during the boarding process otherwise 1 positive result might mean exposure to others.

     

    A rather difficult process, considering that cruise lines have trouble during normal boarding.  


    I am sure that they will find a way to remedy that.  I can see 1 machine processing more than 1,000 tests in minutes.  It won’t be long.  Necessity is the mother of invention.

     

     


  18. Hi Prim8,

     

    Abbott Labs are currently producing 50,000  5 minute tests per day.  If passengers (pax) arrive at terminal and enter wearing masks and then are tested in the terminal as part of the security process then pax would be able to go onboard a ship that is totally negative.  The test also identifies those who are incubating.  You either have it or you don’t.  A ship that has tested negative can sail without much worry.  The problem then would be where to land?  Most likely the only island would be the private island.  Unless arrangements could be made for an isolation area on an island I’m afraid there are no fast answers.  If by some chance a pax show signs of any virus they would be isolated and removed from the ship immediately...by prior arrangement.  The cruise lines will design new methods of handling crew and passengers just as the airlines will have to do.


  19. Most of you have made plans for future cruises.  The question is...What will it take to make you feel confident enough to get on a ship and enjoy your vacation?  

     

    I propose the following:

     

    You will not be able to get on a plane or a ship without a 5 minute CV test.  The 5 minute test will prove essential for travel.  Each pax will need to test negative as well as temperature and oxygen tests.  I would not have any problem boarding a plane or a ship if all the other pax have tested negative.  
     

    Your thoughts??  

     

     


  20. In the real world the Aponte family are not about to let their 15 billion dollar cruise line go under.  Rafael and her husband are very involved with MSC Cruises.  They have the funds and the intention to protect their investment.  I would say they are in a much better position than the big three.  MSC Global Containers is currently making billions.  They have not shut down due to the a Corona Virus.  Keeping MSC Cruises afloat would require what the Apontes consider pocket change.  If NCL can stay afloat for one year on 1 billion dollars then MSC Is secure for years to come.


  21. 37 minutes ago, TampaGambler said:

     

    MSC is a private company, so you have absolute no clue as to the status of their financing. When was the last time you heard a private company borrowing money or disclosing their finances? Short answer: You haven't and you wont.


    Highly unlikely that a company that is making billions of dollars and euros in the freight business will need to borrow money.

     

     


  22. Hi AprilF,

     

    MSC has the second largest container fleet in the world.  Those ships continue to sail and continue to make MSC billions.  MSC will have no problem navigating the coming months.  
     

    I have it on good authority that MSC is currently considering every possible solution.  I predict that MSC ships will become the safest mode of transport at sea...safe from viruses...safe for all passengers.  We will be living in a time when land vacations will be dangerous and certain ships will offer a controlled atmosphere where all passengers will be tested before boarding and during sailing. Any passenger with an illness will be swiftly isolated and evacuated off the ship.  Crew members will be constantly tested.  It is possible that cruising on MSC will be safer than ever before and safer than staying home in an uncontrolled environment.  

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