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This app is not an enhanced experience when passengers (customers) spend more time and energy to get their preference conveyed!!!

56 minutes ago, K.T.B. said:

This may be deleted, but I really needed to share this. 

 

This is the supreme idiocy that those of us who are vaccinated will be dealing with when we get back to cruising:  LINK   It's not political per se, but the commentary is... something.

 

What happens to only invite and hear from credible witnesses?  I am all for opposing view but it needs to be credible!

On 6/6/2021 at 4:15 PM, nocl said:

each state has a list of codes used by authorized vaccine administrators   this list is also provided to the CDC, so if one has a signed release form not too hard to find the appropriate provider.

Yep.  A friend of mine who is a PCP told me yesterday that a patient presented a fake vaccination card when going in for an appointment.  All the staff needed to do was a call to the vaccine administrator to verify - quick and simple verification.

8 hours ago, nocl said:

in other words they are requiring vaccination for the Alaska cruises because they have to if they want to get sailing quickly. Once the CDC let's them get away from the vaccine requirement without doing test cruises they will.

I hope CDC will only drop the vaccination requirement when herd immunity is achieved or when covid behaves like a flu.

1 hour ago, phabric said:

There won’t be any cruisers as we can’t get into the MedallionClass App to fill in ALL the information they need us to have to sail with them.

 

They might loose some cruisers that don’t have smart phone or IPad.

I think it was in the webinar, the rep said "surely you can find your grand kids or someone to upload the info for you" if one does not have a smart phone or the app...

59 minutes ago, LawDog61 said:

In the vernacular of today, he is simply ‘speaking his truth”

Or alternate fact.

Haha either side could file an appeal if they don't like the verdict, Alaska cruises go on!  Nov 1st would come, before all the legal proceedings are over.

16 minutes ago, CruiseMrB said:

The more interesting part is this: 

If you are not fully vaccinated:

• Get tested 3–5 days after your trip.
• If your test is positive, isolate yourself to protect others from getting infected.
• Self-monitor for COVID-19 symptoms for 14 days after travel; isolate and get tested if you develop symptoms.
• Stay home and self-quarantine for 7 days after cruise travel, even if you test negative. [emphasis added]
• If you do not get tested, stay home and self-quarantine for 10 days after cruise travel.
• Avoid being around people who are at increased risk for severe illness for 14 days, whether you get tested or not.

If you are fully vaccinated:

• Get tested 3–5 days after your trip. [emphasis added]
• If your test is positive, isolate yourself to protect others from getting infected.
• Self-monitor for COVID-19 symptoms for 14 days after travel; isolate and get tested if you develop symptoms.
• You do NOT need to stay home and self-quarantine after cruise travel.

So, everybody should test after the cruise, non-vaccinated need to quarantine for 7 days no matter what.

Wishful thinking/recommendations!

If the voyage is ended prematurely, is the cruise fare eligible for refund?

10 minutes ago, Ombud said:

Done ✔ 

 

I've also asked her to reiterate that it's fully vaccinated not 2nd dose and that religious exemption is too easy to falsify. I mean, why forge it when you can just say it's against your religion 

Those same religious kinds were the ones who insisted on indoor gatherings in the height of the pandemic against public health orders!

8 hours ago, PescadoAmarillo said:

And yet Princess continues to gladly accept deposits and final payments from vaxers and anti-vaxers alike while fence sitting on this very important issue. It’s getting a bit ludicrous. 

Maybe that’s the whole point of not making a clear position concerning vaccination - to continue getting deposit from people regardless of vaccination status! 👌😆

Their IT troubleshooting skill is laughable!

1 hour ago, caribill said:

 

As far as whether or not Carnival’s restart could include a vaccination requirement for its guests, Duffy said that as of right now, the answer is no. 

 

“There’s no mandate for any other business to have that requirement. We certainly are encouraging everyone to get a vaccine…We don’t want to be treated different than any other parts of travel, tourism, entertainment, or society,” she said. 

 

A vaccine requirement for a July restart could also potential lock a lot of children under 12 out of Carnival sailings, which is a major part of Carnival’s brand. 

 

“For our cruise line, children under 12 are a big part of the cruise experience in a summer…family vacation, and as it stands right now, we wouldn’t be able to have kids under 12 onboard.” 

Duffy added that Carnival is helping its crew to get vaccinated. 

 

https://www.travelmarketreport.com/articles/Carnivals-Christine-Duffy-Says-Line-is-Working-Towards-July-Restart

For Carnival cruise ships’ demographics, much younger age groups, non-vaccination rate is high, I guess it makes sense for them to not have the requirement and just roll the dice.  Otherwise they might end it not having profitable bookings were there to be a vaccine mandate.

I will promptly cancel my booking for this year with no vaccination mandate on the ship and do my road trips instead.  Will plan cruising for next year to see how things are shaking up.

This is called cruise hesitancy. 🙂

43 minutes ago, beg3yrs said:

But ... still have to wear masks on aircraft, buses and so on. I'm assuming the Executive Order requiring masks in all Federal buildings has not yet been rescinded.

How does one know who is vaccinated and who is not in a public crowded transit hub or buses, trains and airplanes and differentiates mask or no mask?

6 minutes ago, Sea Hag said:

I never can figure out why when there's a perfectly good, universally understood word for something people feel compelled to start using a new word instead. 

I wonder if in this case, crew incentive is compulsory and gratuity is voluntary and is on top of it.

13 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

And, this could not have been predicted?  Even at normal freezer temperatures or in their storage boxes, the vaccine lasts 30 days.  That's not enough time to predict usage?

Math is easy if the everyone is all eager to get vaccinated, not so much if it’s hitting the hesitancy wall.  It’s hard to forecast when exactly people will change their mind from hesitant to willing.

3 minutes ago, Steelers36 said:

The threshold is undefined and that is a glaring omission.  I am also thinking this is old wording and we don't know what the protocols will be once sailing is actually underway again.  As you will know, things are FAR from defined and settled with CDC.

 

Well, if after vaccination and with plentiful of access to vaccine, COVID doesn’t kill or hospitalize people any more so than flu or any upper respiratory diseases, and if the ships are operating in US water, itineraries are not disrupted by upper respiratory diseases outbreaks on ships, so why should they be interrupted by COVID?

2 hours ago, voljeep said:

My wife and I just had ( and by just I mean in the last 30 minutes ) about whether she/we would cruise if vaccines are NOT required for all PASSENGERS ... the verdict was "undecided" at this point - still waiting on the protocols and procedures about what happens if there is an outbreak on the ship in regards to being able to homeport, get off ship and return home without quarantine.

This language is in the booking email dated yesterday, “if a threshold of COVID-19 is detected on board the ship, the voyage will be ended, the ship will return to the port of embarkation, and your subsequent travel home may be restricted or delayed. Health and safety protocols, guest conduct rules, and regional travel restrictions vary by ship and destination, and are subject to change without notice.“

Now that I am vaccinated and when everyone in the US can have access to vaccine, I want to be sure no matter what the protocols are, my cruise will not be disrupted and the home port will let the ship disembark for me to go home even if there are positive cases on board since theoretically, no more people should die or be hospitalized due to COVID solely than from flu after vaccination!  Short of that, I won’t be making any final payment!

If experts’ guidance conflicts, shouldn’t we act to err on the side of caution or pick the ones that are music to our years to follow?

5 hours ago, Steelers36 said:

 

 

CC pinged me about some additional "likes" for my post #184 above and it made me think to clarify - perhaps unnecessarily, if it was not already obvious - that whenever I reference "the Chinese" associated with the Coronavirus that causes Covid-19 (origination Wuhan), that I would be thinking of the CCP government and not Chinese citizens.

I am also presuming that @TNTLAMB had the very same thinking. 

 

There has been too much lashing out at Chinese Americans and Canadians as if they had anything to do with the pandemic origins.

14 minutes ago, rabin1 said:

I might be in the minority but I believe the virus escaped from that virology lab in Wuhan. VERY CLOSE to wet market. I have 3 reasons. One some of their scientists got covid that were working in the lab and two the place the market gets the bats from is far away and NONE of those farmers or anyone near them got the virus. All those doctors that warned all of this have disappeared or died too suspicious for me. Former CDC Redford or Redfield or whatever his name is believes that as well but could not say it while he was the director but has said so now.

Also I agree with what President Trump called it the China Virus. That does not mean the Asian people should be punished for what their communist government did

Kathy

Agreed that to reasonable and logical people, it’s the CCP government that you all are referring to implicitly.

BUT there are a lot of crazies out there now and some with guns or knives who are eager to find scapegoats, particularly the elderlies and the vulnerables to bully...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/03/us/anti-asian-attacks.html

3 hours ago, tcdcruiser said:

IMHO

 

Sometime this summer or fall, all Americans who wanted a vaccination will become fully immunized.  The moment will be easily seen when we begin hearing news stories about endless vaccine supply and same day appointment availability.

 

Then.....those of us fully vaccinated (guess 65% to 75% of Americans) will lose our willingness to "mask up" to protect those not vaccinated.  This attitude will accelerate as we hear more about booster shots (already in trial) to address the variants.  The overwhelming weight of public opinion alone from those of us vaccinated will cause mask and distance rules to be relaxed or eliminated.

 

The virus will then run it course with those 25% +/- of Americans not vaccinated.  Then we will reach herd immunity the hard way.

 

In regard to proof of vaccination.  We show a US Passport or State Driver's License to fly or cruise today.  We show proof of vaccination for our children to attend school.  We wear seatbelts when we drive.    We build our homes to meet local zoning laws.   We file our taxes by April 15th.  Our bags are x-rayed before we enter a sports event.  

 

Showing proof of vaccination for a 7 days Caribbean cruise is now the "Don't Tread on Me" line in the sand? 

 

Here's a brief read about George Washington and John Adams dealing with the 1778-1785 Smallpox Pandemic.  Given their sacrifices, I think they would find our actions hard to understand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1775–1782_North_American_smallpox_epidemic

 

Yep, after the point at which all Americans who wanted a vaccine can get a vaccine, it’s not my duty to protect others from an infectious disease anymore.  They can choose to get immunized or take the risk.  Out of my hands.

1 hour ago, voljeep said:

if this is about money, and believe me, it's always about the money - why doesn't Princess just provide a $ 100 million bond that covers the cost associated with any Port expenses incurred due to 'rona ?

For the cruise lines, it is about the money.  For the government, it’s also about money but in the ways that we have pumped trillions of $$ to revive the economy due to the shutdown, do they want to increase any avoidable risk of  more taxpayers $$ for more reliefs were it to have more shutdown due to the variants and mutations still going on?

Yes.

You might not be contend with a cruise-by on the Antarctica portion.  At your age group, if you are an active bunch, you want to get on a zodiac to the continent!