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  1. NCL has already said they were positioned to go 18 months with no sailing.
  2. Their plan looks a lot less invasive than what Costa put out yesterday. It does talk about their hope for rapid Covid-19 testing at the pier. I have said from the beginning that that would be a way the cruise industry could get up and running sooner. In my opinion, if you get that in place, you may be able to relax some of the social distancing policies. It does seem like masks may be required from what they have put out.
  3. I disagree with that. They assume these losses and they are all capable of surviving into early 2021 with no cruise revenue.
  4. This was expected, obviously. A cruise company that can't operate cruises is definitely not going to have a good quarter!
  5. The CDC has had a bone to pick with the cruise industry for a long time. They seem to be singling out the industry (as the article mentions). There has to be some reason for the friction, as it seems there is just a bad working relationship between the industry and the CDC. I really hope that the administration steps in at some point and encourages the CDC to work with the industry. My major fear is that when the CDC is ready to work with cruise lines, the guidelines they will implement will be so far reaching and extreme that the cruise lines won't even be able to operate feasibly. As we all know, the cruise industry is an important part of the economy (especially in places like Alaska, Florida, Texas, etc.).
  6. Why is there an outrage when the F word is mentioned? The flu is our best comparison because it is a contagious virus that causes between 30,000 and 80,000 deaths in the US each year depending on the season. As I mentioned, the flu has a higher fatality rate for children and young adults while COVID-19 has a higher fatality rate for the elderly. I am not sure how stating these facts translates to an "I don't care" attitude. You can care about COVID-19 while also not panicking about it. If you choose to do the later, that is of course completely up to you. As far as other viruses in history that have killed many people, I would point you to some very bad flu seasons in the US where over 80,000 people have died, the N1H1 flu that killed over 500,000 people worldwide, and of course the famous Spanish Flu which killed about 675,000 people in the US (our population was only 130,000,000 at the time) and about 50,000,000 people worldwide (1 in 30 people on the planet died). So we have certainly had our fair share of big ones! Unfortunately, when you have billions of people living on a planet, there will always be viruses and disease in circulation. As society grows, as do our risks. We do our best to compete with nature with our technology and advances in modern medicine. Anyway, you are right. Debating these topics is a bit off-topic. I sincerely hope the CDC moves forward with a plan to get cruises back up and running soon but I also hope that by doing so we don't take all of the joy out of it.
  7. Funny you mention children. Children have a better chance of getting struck my lightening than dying of Covid-19. The flu is far more deadly to Children than Covid-19. See, we have an issue understanding risk. There are risks in many of the things we do every day and we do not even think about them. We accept the risks of getting the flu. Why? Because we have been conditioned to do so. For some portions of our population, Covid-19 is far more deadly than the flu. Those portions of the population need to weigh their individual risk and decide if they want to participate in society at this time or not and if they do they need to decide what precautions they will take. For others with low or no risk of dying of Covid-19, they will make the decisions too. Why should we judge others who choose to live and participate in the economy? No, those people who aren't wearing masks are not delaying your cruise. The way the average American wears a mask isn't doing anything to prevent COVID-19. Ask doctors who work in hospitals how they use/wear masks. They don't keep a dirty T-shirt cloth on their face all day and continue to touch it and place it on contaminated surfaces. They also don't wear it as a chin guard when they are eating or when they need to talk to someone because the mask muffles their speech. They don't leave it hanging on their car mirror. And they certainly don't lift it up to smoke a cigarette. As far as the death toll, it is of course very sad. We know this virus kills elderly and we did a TERRIBLE job at protecting the nursing homes. Take a look at the death toll data with nursing homes removed. It is remarkable just how much it changes the picture. Hopefully that is a lesson learned going forward. But, we definitely paid a heavy price for it with our nursing home residents. We shut down our economy AND we also didn't protect the nursing homes. The sad part is, we failed in our response to both areas. Once again, COVID-19 is not the zombie apocalypse. It is a very strong and novel Coronavirus of which there are many others in circulation (you've probably had some before). It is not going away (it is far too contagious). Treatments will help (good news, we have found some that are working and more to come!) and hopefully vaccines will help too (bad news, not everyone will take them so it will STILL be around). China and other countries who are trying to completely eliminate the virus will have a losing battle. As we have seen in China, it simply isn't possible. Even with a 100 day lock-down, the virus continues to pop up time and time again.
  8. There are no major setbacks. The panicking and fear mongering has to stop. Death toll continues to slow. The virus is highly contagious and thankfully it is usually mild. Everyone just needs to take a deep breath. The sky is NOT falling.
  9. The interesting thing is in some European countries, masks are not being worn at all. So if anything I would have thought the requirements for masks, at least, would be less strict in Europe than in the US. I think the CDC is going to be quite tight with restrictions when cruising resumes.
  10. Agreed. It is really sad to see this. I would think that other Carnival Corp. brands will be implementing similar procedures. I find it hard to believe that different brands would have drastically different protocols. The most surprising aspects to me are the mandatory face masks in public places, not being able to go to a bar to get a drink, not being able to dance(!!!!), and not being able to go to a casual all-you-care-to-eat restaurant (even if it is served to guests by crew). I can't imagine a vacation with these restrictions would appeal to a broad demographic. Honestly, it is pretty sad that it has taken them 4 months to come up with THIS.
  11. Not interested in wearing a mask on-board the ship. I guess I'll be waiting...
  12. If this is the future of cruising.. I am going to have to re-think my favorite vacation choice. 😞 http://www.sailcosta.com/8115_Safety/8115.03_FAQs.pdf
  13. People are assessing their own risks and acting accordingly. Socially distancing and wearing masks are not sustainable for long periods of time (more than a few months). From what I am seeing, people are ready to go back to enjoying their lives.
  14. That list is kind of turning out to be accurate... at least for the moment. The first two ships on that list have dates in Sept. that have now been canceled. But the reason for that seems due to the fact they are both Canada itineraries (on Encore and Insignia). It looks like now Sky will be the first ship to start on October 5th. It will be interesting to see how it plays out...
  15. Well since no one knows if this list is 100% true, you may still want to take it with a grain of salt. It is still possible that things start moving quicker than anticipated for the cruise lines as we move through the summer and perhaps some ships could come back on-line faster. Or of course, it could go the other way too. So many unknowns right now. I would say that list is probably accurate, as it stood whenever it was created.
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