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Terry, we are planning on doing a similar tour of Southeast Asia for 2020. I would love to hear how you are coordinating all of the different aspects of your trip.

 

In just a week, we will be doing our first visit to Southeast Asia. This trip will feature Hong Kong, Bangkok, Vietnam and Cambodia, including a seven-day Mekong River cruise through Avalon Waterways. After this river cruise, we will be visiting Angkor Wat, Hanoi, Ha Long Bay and Hue/Danang. We will be traveling a little over one month for this latest “adventure”.

 

Any special tips, ideas, suggestion, secrets, etc., from those who have recently been sailing on the Mekong River, visiting these various areas, been on Avalon, etc.?? All experiences and insights are welcomed. Don't be shy!!

 

As you see in the above question from another CC board, in order to help others to prepare, too, I am going to share our initial why and how for what we researched, planned and are doing.

 

INITIAL OPTIONS/STRATGEGY?: The first choice was for HOW to do these areas. We considered three main options/potentials.

1. Do a Hong Kong to Singapore ocean cruise. (Or reversing that routing direction.) Lots of cruise lines at different price ranges offer these potentials. Pluses: Unpack once and let the ship Captain do the navigating/driving. Easier and simpler!! Con: Your depth and immersion into these unique areas/cultures are somewhat limited. Much time is wasted getting from the ship docking location and back each night for key and very large cities such as Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City and Bangkok. Most ships also have offerings to sample Angkor Wat, but that is not a low-cost, add-on excursion option.

2. Land/air only would involve just connecting from the various locations by a combination of air and ground transportation options. Pluses: Offers plenty of "depth" to spend as much or as little time as desired at each of your different priority locations. Con: Too many one- or two-night stays in many various towns can become a little challenging with these various logistics, the pack and unpacking, etc. This puts more "burden" on you to pull it "ALL" together for the flow with such a trip, doing the setting-up of the local arrangements, guides, tours, etc.

3. Mekong River cruise with land/air connections: Pluses: This option in using Avalon along with their experienced travel partner of Globus for the other ground arrangements and guides allowed us a more "seamless" experience. We picked which stops we wanted before and after the seven-days sailing on the Mekong River. Avalon also has nice, new ships for the Mekong with a larger, more scenic type of balcony room than many other lines on this river offer. Con: This option might be a little more expensive than some others could offer. BUT, we are on a ship with only 18 cabins and it can go to some locations that other, larger ship cannot explore. With a maximum of only 36 passengers on this ship, it will be a more "personal" experience.

 

Much depends on your personal priorities, choices, budget, travel "style" desired, etc. My wife liked having much of the "burden" for putting it ALL together and making it work on one experienced company. No me or us!! Less worries and uncertainty!! Yes, as noted by Jean, "coordinating" is an important word and responsibility. We have done in the past lots of own "free-style" traveling in Europe. I am good at putting that together. BUT, as we are getting little older, we liked sharing these responsibilities with others who know these Southeast Asia areas so well. Globus has an excellent reputation for getting and having very good and experienced local guides. We liked that factor, too!! Being able to ask questions and deal with skilled locals help us at this stage in our lives. Personal priorities??!!

We also decided to do four days in Hong Kong prior to starting this Avalon/Globus package/plan. That worked with us getting Cathay Pacific business class through our American Airline miles, seeing that famed city and recovering a little after the long, long trans-Pacific flight. We could have skipped Bangkok, Ha Long Bay, Hue and/or Danang in putting together our "package" before and after the Mekong River sailing. We had that choice and option. BUT, our view was that in going this long distance, we would maximize our time in this region. Below is my graphic map as to our overall travel plan and schedule.

Will do a live/blog on the River Cruising part of Cruise Critic for this trip. That will be coming in later January. As always, there will be lots of pictures, plus many other details, tips, history, etc. Love any and all questions and comments. Either now or on the later live/blog on this river cruise thread your "involvement" is welcomed.

 

THANKS to our Rhode Island "neighbor", Jean, for mentioning her future travel interests! Hope this info helps her and others.

 

Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

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Here is a graphic with an overview for our plan that mixes a Mekong River cruise in with various air flights and visits to key locations in Southeast Asia.:

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Terry, this is wonderful. We are definitely in the process of weighing the pros and cons that you mention. My husband hates to pack and unpack but I agree that you miss so many amazing experiences by being on land. I will follow along with great interest. If you cannot post comments about the land portion here, I am happy to look elsewhere for your comments or I can also give you my email address as I would love your comments regarding hotels etc. Very exciting and nice to be able to follow along from cold wet Rhode Island.

 

Love your itinerary. We might consider adding Japan on at the end if I can stand to travel for that long. Also would need to plan our trip for a bit later in the winter to catch some warmer weather in Japan if we do that.

 

Have a wonderful trip!

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Terry, this is wonderful. We are definitely in the process of weighing the pros and cons that you mention. My husband hates to pack and unpack but I agree that you miss so many amazing experiences by being on land. I will follow along with great interest. If you cannot post comments about the land portion here, I am happy to look elsewhere for your comments or I can also give you my email address as I would love your comments regarding hotels etc. Very exciting and nice to be able to follow along from cold wet Rhode Island. Love your itinerary. We might consider adding Japan on at the end if I can stand to travel for that long. Also would need to plan our trip for a bit later in the winter to catch some warmer weather in Japan if we do that. Have a wonderful trip!

 

For Jean, your response brings up that classic challenge involving "trade-offs"!! Those kinds of choices create some interesting questions. As an example, if you move your time back to later in the year for better weather in Japan, you might not, however, have the best weather for Southeast Asia. While we will be there in January and February, it is, on average, to have less chances of rain. If you go later, you might have more rain but a little lower Mekong River cruise price as a potential benefit. Lots of factors to consider. For us, personally, traveling to these warmer areas in late January and early to mid February gets us out of the cold and snow of the Midwest. Trade-offs and choices??!!

 

With Avalon/Globus, they have certain hotel properties that they normally use in the various cities. As an example in Bangkok and Hanoi, it is an InterContinental property. That's a higher-level property. Not quite at the Four Seasons or Ritz Carlton level, but close. In Ho Chi Minh City, it will be The Reverie Saigon. This very new and high-end hotel is now ranked as #1 of 468 hotels in this city by TripAdvisor. Travel+Leisure just had them on the Gold List as the fourth best hotel in the world. In Siem Reap, they use the highly-rated Park Hyatt. Normally, we would not spend the money to be in these types of highly-ranked hotels, but we can make it work for us. As a part of their packages, breakfast is included each day, plus a large percentage of the lunches and dinner.

 

With Avalon/Globus, many local tours and special events are included. There does not seem to be as much "up-selling" and hidden "add-ons" with their process/packaging. After this upcoming experience, I will be able to report back how "things" worked in real life. Just like on cruise lines, some have higher base prices and less added, later costs. With other cruises and trips, they offer a lower "sticker" price and lots of surprises/disappointments later. Choices? Trade-offs??!!

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

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Hi Terry. Just read your post and I do have a question. You said you are using Avalon along with their experienced travel partner of Globus for the other ground arrangements and guides.

Am I reading this correctly in that you are doing a custom tour?

 

For Diane, we are not exactly doing a "custom" tour. Maybe a little, but not precisely. The way Avalon/Globus works is that we have choices to make as to how much or how little we would want to do before and/or after their seven-day Mekong River cruise.

 

As an example, we picked to do Bangkok and Ho Chi Minh City prior to the Avalon river cruise. We set-up the four days in Hong Kong on our own and without going through Avalon/Globus. Then, after the seven-day Mekong northbound sailing, we have time in Siem Reap, a clear "star", must-see for this region. Then, we picked "add-ons" through Avalon/Globus for Hanoi, Ha Long Bay, Hue and Danang. There were other options from which to consider for northern Laos or northern Vietnam, etc. Or, it's the customer's choice to just conclude at Siem Reap and not do any added stops or cities/locations.

 

Does this help better explain how we could put together this "package" of different options?? Kind of like a dining place!! There is a menu and you put together what "parts and pieces" you desire, need, can afford in money and time, etc. Not sure how some of the other cruise lines make things work. But for us, we liked this ability to pick and customize our "package" to fit our personal interests.

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

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Hi Terry. When I went to the Avalon website I picked duration of 16+ days long and saw various pre-made combinations that included a lot of what you are doing. But I didn't see where you can pick and choose a la carte. What am I missing?

 

Yes, Diane, you are correct that their Avalon website is not set-up as exactly ax an "a la carte" menu. I over-simplified their process a little. Sorry!! First, you go to the Avalon Waterways website and click on their options for "cruises". Then click on "Asian cruises". Then click on the light blue box for "View Cruises" under the left side in the area for Mekong trips/options.

 

Next, you pick to filter for cruise options by departures when you would travel and then by the length of the cruise. Three timing options. Under ten days. Or, 10-16 days? Or, more than 16 days? Under ten days, most of the options will center just around the seven-day Mekong River cruise. I focused more on the longer options in the 16+ day category. Then you can see different potential "packages" for what you might do before and after their Mekong River cruise. For November 2018, as an example, there are 26 different options possible from which to consider and pick. These vary from 18 to 29 days in length, depending as to what exact locations you desire and can make work for your personal interests, budget, timing, etc.

 

To follow that path along, our trip is titled as "25 Day River Cruise from Bangkok to Danang". You click on that option and you can check out that option by just the basic "highlights" or you can dig deeper to examine a more specific "day-by-day" description.

 

Does this help to better clarify? Their website is not perfectly easy to navigate, but there is much great detail there with their various and many options as to how pick the best package to fit your needs.

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

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Thanks, Terry. Got it :D Question: Do you already have your visas or is the plan to get them at the airports?

 

Good follow-up questions, Diane. Yes, we have our visas for Vietnam. That is one important "detail", as we were told, that you want to obtain in advance. Not cheap. See how it looks below. Part of it involves what time period for which you will be visiting there. We needed a "double-entry" visa as we will be entering that country not just once, but twice. Once from Bangkok. The second time after visiting in Cambodia and Siem Reap. Thailand and Hong Kong does not require such visas for our visits there. For Cambodia, we will need a visa, but that can be obtained as we sail up the Mekong River. We will need some cash to pay for that process, plus passport-sized photos. All ready and set.

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

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Here is the current look for a visa from Vietnam. Yes, it is officially a "Socialist Republic"!! Some of the numbers have been blurred for security reasons.:

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Excellent point about checking the itinerary to see if we'd be entering once or twice.

 

How was Avalon with all this? Were they helpful with information? Did they provide the name of a company to use for your visa or did you just apply for it on your own?

 

I know they can be expensive. My China visa, using a visa company, was over $300.

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Excellent point about checking the itinerary to see if we'd be entering once or twice. How was Avalon with all this? Were they helpful with information? Did they provide the name of a company to use for your visa or did you just apply for it on your own? I know they can be expensive. My China visa, using a visa company, was over $300.

 

YES!! These visa processing services can get costly and/or complicated. Maybe a little confusing, too!! We went through a challenging to the wallet process when getting a visa for Brazil. But, at least that one was good for ten years.

 

I talked with several different service companies. With a couple of them, I got mixed info on pricing and/or certain technical steps. Even when using a service, you still need to log on and go through a web process through the Vietnam embassy. BUT, in trying to complete that, it would not work properly with the Safari browser on my MacBook Pro laptop. I switched to Firefox and it worked OK. Getting the passport pictures is more challenging these days as there are now tighter rules for these visuals. No glasses, jewelry, hair a certain way, no smiling, no teeth showing, etc.

 

I used cibtvisas.com or CIBT. They are a sister company to VisaCentral that we used successfully for our Brazil visa. Things worked well, but all of the various costs, etc., do add up. Mention the cruise line you are using and/or the travel agency with which you are connected. That got us some lower fees. Yes, for Vietnam, you must clear as to when you will enter, multiple or single entry, length of time there, etc. Then, the exact fee to the Vietnam will also depend as to how rushed of a service you need. The fee for our multiple-entry, 30-day visa with a five-day turn-around by them cost $125 per person. With all of the other agency fees, express shippings, etc., it totaled up to a little over $400 for my wife and me. This all makes us love places such as Hong Kong and Thailand that does not require any of this "visa challenge".

 

Does this help? Added questions? Happy to share more.

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

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I got my Vietnamese visa directly through the Embassy in Ottawa without having to send in my passport, something I don't believe is available to Americans. However, even there the only time I saw the cost of the visa itself (as opposed to my choice of shipping methods which did show prices) was when I saw what went through my credit card. I paid US$149.35 for one multiple entry visa including shipping of $25.

 

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All visa information very interesting.

 

Now that I think about it, I need to check my passport. I think I still have the sticker from the visa company on it lol

 

I had to get my China visa in a hurry. Long story short ... my TA is a member of a consortium and got the 'lead' on a consortium sailing Silversea, Hong Kong to Tokyo, 14 days. Which means a free cabin for her and her companion. She asked me to join her. This was about 60 days out. So I said 'bye' to DH, and set the process in motion. :D

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I got my Vietnamese visa directly through the Embassy in Ottawa without having to send in my passport, something I don't believe is available to Americans.

 

Appreciate these additional follow-ups from gnome12 and Diane. Yes, there are lots of variables!! What is required or available for those from the USA can be different compared to those from Canada or other nations. From our country, we could have obtained this visa without needing to send in our USA passport. It is the "loose-leaf" option. BUT, then there is the chance of losing that separate piece of paper. Decided it would be best to insure that it is together with our other documents. Plus, we have the larger version of the U.S. passport, allowing lots of room for these types of items. AND, it is kind of "cool-looking" to see and have.

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

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Appreciate these additional follow-ups from gnome12 and Diane. Yes, there are lots of variables!! What is required or available for those from the USA can be different compared to those from Canada or other nations. From our country, we could have obtained this visa without needing to send in our USA passport. It is the "loose-leaf" option. BUT, then there is the chance of losing that separate piece of paper. Decided it would be best to insure that it is together with our other documents. Plus, we have the larger version of the U.S. passport, allowing lots of room for these types of items. AND, it is kind of "cool-looking" to see and have.

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

This was a loose leaf option. I stapled it into my passport myself, on an empty page.

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This was a loose leaf option. I stapled it into my passport myself, on an empty page.

 

Had not thought of stapling that loose-leaf page into my passport. Not sure whether doing a "stapling" would be proper, legal and/or satisfactory. Good question!! Getting closer to Sunday morning when we fly out to Chicago O'Hare to board our Cathay Pacific Boeing 777 for that long, long 15-hour and 50-minute flight.

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

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Had not thought of stapling that loose-leaf page into my passport. Not sure whether doing a "stapling" would be proper, legal and/or satisfactory. Good question!! Getting closer to Sunday morning when we fly out to Chicago O'Hare to board our Cathay Pacific Boeing 777 for that long, long 15-hour and 50-minute flight.

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

If I remember correctly, that is what I was told to do. No one complained, either departing Toronto, arriving in Hanoi, arriving in Siem Reap, crossing the border back to Vietnam, nor arriving back in Canada.

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Bon Voyage Terry - looking forward to hearing about your adventure.

 

Appreciate these nice follow-ups from Jean, Diane and gnome12. My plan is to start my "live/blog" posting here on the River Cruising Cruise Critic board in later January. So check at this location in a week to ten days. Will try to lead off with some nice and interesting visuals and details from our first visit to Hong Kong. Then, Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, etc.

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

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Appreciate these nice follow-ups from Jean, Diane and gnome12. My plan is to start my "live/blog" posting here on the River Cruising Cruise Critic board in later January. So check at this location in a week to ten days. Will try to lead off with some nice and interesting visuals and details from our first visit to Hong Kong. Then, Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, etc.

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

 

Looking forward to it :)

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Good follow-up questions, Diane. Yes, we have our visas for Vietnam. That is one important "detail", as we were told, that you want to obtain in advance. Not cheap. See how it looks below. Part of it involves what time period for which you will be visiting there. We needed a "double-entry" visa as we will be entering that country not just once, but twice. Once from Bangkok. The second time after visiting in Cambodia and Siem Reap. Thailand and Hong Kong does not require such visas for our visits there. For Cambodia, we will need a visa, but that can be obtained as we sail up the Mekong River. We will need some cash to pay for that process, plus passport-sized photos. All ready and set.

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

Hello Terry:

 

My wife and I are also taking a Mekong River cruise from Ho Chi Minh City to Siem Reap this November - with Avalon. I have a question concerning Cambodian Visas. Were you advised by Avalon that visas would be available at the Vietnam/Cambodia Mekong River border? I realize that the "e-visa" is not valid for river entry, and had intended to obtain a visa from Cambodia's embassy in Washington, prior to arrival. A mailing process that I would, of course, like to avoid! Avalon is not particularly helpful concerning visas, recommending that clients use a "visa service". More expedient from Avalon's perspective, and probably avoids delays/difficulties at the border. However, with only a maximum of 36 passengers, I don't think it would cause undue delay, as long as Cambodian Immigration Officials will in fact issue the visa! I'd like your thoughts.

Thanks - Dick (Willbrook)

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Hello Terry: My wife and I are also taking a Mekong River cruise from Ho Chi Minh City to Siem Reap this November - with Avalon. I have a question concerning Cambodian Visas. Were you advised by Avalon that visas would be available at the Vietnam/Cambodia Mekong River border? I realize that the "e-visa" is not valid for river entry, and had intended to obtain a visa from Cambodia's embassy in Washington, prior to arrival. A mailing process that I would, of course, like to avoid! Avalon is not particularly helpful concerning visas, recommending that clients use a "visa service". More expedient from Avalon's perspective, and probably avoids delays/difficulties at the border. However, with only a maximum of 36 passengers, I don't think it would cause undue delay, as long as Cambodian Immigration Officials will in fact issue the visa! I'd like your thoughts. Thanks - Dick (Willbrook)

 

Hi, Dick! Great follow-up question. Yes, we have been told on the phone by Avalon folks in Colorado, plus shared by recent, past travelers on the ship doing the Mekong River, that we can get the Cambodian visa when traveling north. As we understand, we will need separate passport pictures for each of us (have done and will carry with us) and $25 per person in U.S. currency. That's our plan!! We could have obtained the Cambodian visa in advance, but that was much more costly and involved. Going this river crossing/border processing direction. Will let you know on my live/blog as to how that works for us.

 

More questions and/or other info needs/interests??

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Orhio

 

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Hi, Dick! Great follow-up question. Yes, we have been told on the phone by Avalon folks in Colorado, plus shared by recent, past travelers on the ship doing the Mekong River, that we can get the Cambodian visa when traveling north. As we understand, we will need separate passport pictures for each of us (have done and will carry with us) and $25 per person in U.S. currency. That's our plan!! We could have obtained the Cambodian visa in advance, but that was much more costly and involved. Going this river crossing/border processing direction. Will let you know on my live/blog as to how that works for us.

 

More questions and/or other info needs/interests??

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Orhio

 

 

Hi Terry:

 

Thanks for speedy response!. That is great news!. I had searched various travel websites, but had not found an answer to my question. I know that Cambodia is eager to accept tourists, but I wanted to be certain about visa availability on the Mekong. I'll follow your "blog" with great interest. Have a wonderful trip!.

 

Dick (willbrook)

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Hi Terry: Thanks for speedy response!. That is great news!. I had searched various travel websites, but had not found an answer to my question. I know that Cambodia is eager to accept tourists, but I wanted to be certain about visa availability on the Mekong. I'll follow your "blog" with great interest. Have a wonderful trip!. Dick (willbrook)

 

Appreciate, Dick, your follow-up with these nice and kind wishes. Be thinking of any and all questions needing more information and background. Look forward to sharing more. And, having you and others traveling along with us.

 

THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio

 

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