Do you win on slots in casino?

We all know that the state of Nevada regulates the gamming industry but who regulates the Cruise Lines???????

george35

We all know that the state of Nevada regulates the gamming industry but who regulates the Cruise Lines???????

 

george35

The cruise lines have an organization which sets standards.

On NCL breakaway last sept I won $3,200 on a penny quick hit slot! On carnival in the spring of 2017 I won $1,000 on a quarter poker slot. In 2014 on the breakaway I won $1,000 and then another $1,000 on the same quarter poker slot! After each of these wins I stopped playing so I wouldn't lose it.

I like to gamble (low stakes) and have cruised Celebrity 40 times. I have gambled at least somewhat on every single cruise. I have come home in the black maybe a dozen times at most, and then not very much so. IMHO the slots have become tighter over the years. I used to win more years and years ago (started cruising X in 1992). That said, on my January cruise I won a couple hundred dollars net (play just quarters, one at a time). The odds are definitely, unequivocally much worse than Vegas and most land casinos in the US. Play for fun and expect to lose.

They don't change the payouts during the cruise. In order to change the payouts they would need to open the machines and swap out the computer chips inside. No way they do that. It would have been seen and reported on these boards long before now.

I like to gamble (low stakes) and have cruised Celebrity 40 times. I have gambled at least somewhat on every single cruise. I have come home in the black maybe a dozen times at most, and then not very much so. IMHO the slots have become tighter over the years. I used to win more years and years ago (started cruising X in 1992). That said, on my January cruise I won a couple hundred dollars net (play just quarters, one at a time). The odds are definitely, unequivocally much worse than Vegas and most land casinos in the US. Play for fun and expect to lose.

 

They don't change the payouts during the cruise. In order to change the payouts they would need to open the machines and swap out the computer chips inside. No way they do that. It would have been seen and reported on these boards long before now.

Correct, with the technology currently on Celebrity they do not have the ability to change the odds. THis is the #1 myth of slot machines in an article in Simply Slots magazine. The owner orders the slot machine from the manufacturer with a certain percentage and it is generally not changed during the life of the machine as it is quite expensive. The computer chip is the RNG. All this info is readily available on the internet in independent sources. Again, I’m talking current technology on Celebrity ships.

I like to gamble (low stakes) and have cruised Celebrity 40 times. I have gambled at least somewhat on every single cruise. I have come home in the black maybe a dozen times at most, and then not very much so. IMHO the slots have become tighter over the years. I used to win more years and years ago (started cruising X in 1992). That said, on my January cruise I won a couple hundred dollars net (play just quarters, one at a time). The odds are definitely, unequivocally much worse than Vegas and most land casinos in the US. Play for fun and expect to lose.

 

They don't change the payouts during the cruise. In order to change the payouts they would need to open the machines and swap out the computer chips inside. No way they do that. It would have been seen and reported on these boards long before now.

I would agree they probably don't change them but they certainly have plenty of opportunity. Las Vegas casinos are open 24 hours a day as are most land based casinos. Cruise ship casinos are closed all night and while ships are in port.

I would agree they probably don't change them but they certainly have plenty of opportunity. Las Vegas casinos are open 24 hours a day as are most land based casinos. Cruise ship casinos are closed all night and while ships are in port.

They have the technology to change pay out percentages at any moment through server based gaming. This applies to any video based reels or any of the more modern versions of long-standing games like Wheel of Fortune. Any of the older reel-based machines wouldn’t work with that as far as I’m aware, so those would require going into the machines and swapping out the payout percentage chips. It’s cumbersome but as you said yourself, the ship casinos certainly have the opportunity to do it since they are closed often during a cruise.

At land-based Casinos there are all sorts of regulations that must be followed in order for a casino to adjust the payout percentage; they have to report any changes to the gaming commission, must stay above a particular percentage threshold, can’t change a payout percentage within 4 minutes of the machine being played last, etc. Not all casinos have employed the technology though.

For ship casinos the rules are a bit fuzzier. They are not subject to the strict gaming laws of any state in the United States so it’s not really clear what they can or cannot do. I believe that all the modern ships built after 2010 or so are employing server based technology. I say this because I know for sure that NCL was starting with Epic which launched in 2010. While on a cruise in 2009 I got to know a casino host pretty well and he advised that Epic would be NCL’s first ship to feature server-based gaming. He knew this because he was going to the host when the ship launched. Knowing that Epic launched with that it is safe to assume that all NCL ships after that had it as well. Any other cruise ships with other lines built after that point probably have that tech too since the cruise lines tend to keep up with each other.

Even prior to all of this server based tech, I know definitely that cruise ships would make changes to the machines during cruises. On a Princess cruise in 2007 there was a group of video slots that my husband and I played nightly and twice during the cruise we came in to find the number of paylines and max bets had been changed overnight on multiple machines. That required internal adjustments at that time. If they could do that they could adjust the payout percentage chips as well. I own a slot machine (a traditional reels machine) and my husband has changed the payout percentage chip a couple times since owning it so I know it can be done despite what others may say here.

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They have the technology to change pay out percentages at any moment through server based gaming. This applies to any video based reels or any of the more modern versions of long-standing games like Wheel of Fortune. Any of the older reel-based machines wouldn’t work with that as far as I’m aware, so those would require going into the machines and swapping out the payout percentage chips. It’s cumbersome but as you said yourself, the ship casinos certainly have the opportunity to do it since they are closed often during a cruise.

 

At land-based Casinos there are all sorts of regulations that must be followed in order for a casino to adjust the payout percentage; they have to report any changes to the gaming commission, must stay above a particular percentage threshold, can’t change a payout percentage within 4 minutes of the machine being played last, etc. Not all casinos have employed the technology though.

 

For ship casinos the rules are a bit fuzzier. They are not subject to the strict gaming laws of any state in the United States so it’s not really clear what they can or cannot do. I believe that all the modern ships built after 2010 or so are employing server based technology. I say this because I know for sure that NCL was starting with Epic which launched in 2010. While on a cruise in 2009 I got to know a casino host pretty well and he advised that Epic would be NCL’s first ship to feature server-based gaming. He knew this because he was going to the host when the ship launched. Knowing that Epic launched with that it is safe to assume that all NCL ships after that had it as well. Any other cruise ships with other lines built after that point probably have that tech too since the cruise lines tend to keep up with each other.

 

Even prior to all of this server based tech, I know definitely that cruise ships would make changes to the machines during cruises. On a Princess cruise in 2007 there was a group of video slots that my husband and I played nightly and twice during the cruise we came in to find the number of paylines and max bets had been changed overnight on multiple machines. That required internal adjustments at that time. If they could do that they could adjust the payout percentage chips as well. I own a slot machine (a traditional reels machine) and my husband has changed the payout percentage chip a couple times since owning it so I know it can be done despite what others may say here.

 

 

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Prior to the server based tech, they could not change the payout percentages unless they changed the RNG which is quite costly and in land based computers required regulatory approval. I stand by my statement that with the technology now on Celebrity ships they can't do it and that is backed up by loads of evidence found on the internet.

http://www.vegasslotsonline.com/work/

http://www.casinonewsdaily.com/slots-guide/random-number-generator-hit-frequency-vs-payout-ratio/

I could provide 20 such links.

Here's a link to the CLIA which regulates cruise ship casinos, its not perfect but its there.

https://www.cruising.org/about-the-industry/regulatory/industry-policies/other/gambling

Here's a good link to myths of slot machines.

https://www.gamblingsites.com/slots/myths/

Prior to the server based tech, they could not change the payout percentages unless they changed the RNG which is quite costly and in land based computers required regulatory approval. I stand by my statement that with the technology now on Celebrity ships they can't do it and that is backed up by loads of evidence found on the internet.

 

As I already stated before my husband and I own a slot machine, one of the older IGT reel machines, and I have watched him physically change the payout percentage chips in the machine without doing anything with the RNG, so you are 100% wrong on that point. And there is no reason that Celebrity could not install a server based slot system on their ships (especially on ships built in the past 10 years) when other cruise lines like NCL have already done it and various land-based casinos around the country have retrofitted to this type of system. Whether they actually have done it or not, we don’t know. The only way to know is if you find that rare casino manager or host who is chatty and can advise that information but most would not be forthcoming with details like that.

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Oh my. Won $USD100 on Ovation and gave it right back [emoji51] had fun though and budgeted for that.

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Here is my story...

100% TRUE...

Recently, on a Celebrity Summit cruise, we all were given a

$5.00 certificate to play slots in casinos, as a promo.

We went down, 4 of us...

All played their $5.00, on different slots.

My wife played next to last...

She zeroed out...

No one won anything. I start to play the very same slot

my wife did. She said.."Don't play this one. It is a loser.."

I told her, "I like this one because it has "Wolves" on this slot machine".

I played that machine, against her advise, ONE pull, I bet it all on one pull,

and, WON over $350+ dollars.

I could not believe it...No one could believe it.

I figured those $5.00 certificates were fixed into machine to lose.

Huh.... Go figure....

Now, you know why I love "Wolves"... :D

As I already stated before my husband and I own a slot machine, one of the older IGT reel machines, and I have watched him physically change the payout percentage chips in the machine without doing anything with the RNG, so you are 100% wrong on that point. And there is no reason that Celebrity could not install a server based slot system on their ships (especially on ships built in the past 10 years) when other cruise lines like NCL have already done it and various land-based casinos around the country have retrofitted to this type of system. Whether they actually have done it or not, we don’t know. The only way to know is if you find that rare casino manager or host who is chatty and can advise that information but most would not be forthcoming with details like that.

 

 

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The payout percentage chip is the RNG, don’t know what your husband did.

Around the USA the average slot is programmed to pay back 90-94% (there are exceptions...especially in Vegas). On cruise ships one can assume that since there is absolutely no gaming commission or any other regulatory body...the payback is somewhat less. Slot machines are generally considered the worst game in any casino (in terms of payback/odds) with the exception of Keno. A friend of ours who runs the Sports Book in a popular Vegas casino has bluntly told me that slots are a "suckers game" and the biggest overall moneymaker for casinos.

For those that don't get it we might explain it this way. You give me a dollar and I will give you 90 cents change. If anyone plays slots long enough that is about what will happen. Or course the beauty of slots is that there are always some winners...assuming they get lucky, walk away when they win...and never play again!

What games have the best odds? Craps and Blackjack...although their odds can vary slightly depending on the house rules. Players of those games who know what they are doing can usually reduce the house edge to less than 1%.

Hank

The payout percentage chip is the RNG, don’t know what your husband did.

It’s not. They are two separate entities.

From Wikipedia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slot_machine

“Random Number Generators

All modern machines are designed using pseudo random number generators ("PRNGs"), which are constantly generating a sequence of simulated random numbers, at a rate of hundreds or perhaps thousands per second. As soon as the "Play" button is pressed, the most recent random number is used to determine the result. This means that the result varies depending on exactly when the game is played. A fraction of a second earlier or later, and the result would be different.

It is important that the machine contains a high-quality RNG implementation, because all PRNGs must eventually repeat their number sequence, and if the period is short, or the PRNG is otherwise flawed, an advanced player may be able to 'predict' the next result. Having access to the PRNG code and seed values, Ronald Dale Harris, a former slot machine programmer, discovered equations for specific gambling games like Keno that allowed him to predict what the next set of selected numbers would be based on the previous games played.

Most machines are designed to defeat this by generating numbers even when the machine is not being played, so the player cannot tell where in the sequence they are, even if they know how the machine was programmed.

Payout percentage

Slot machines are typically programmed to pay out as winnings 82% to 98% of the money that is wagered by players. This is known as the "theoretical payout percentage" or RTP, "return to player". The minimum theoretical payout percentage varies among jurisdictions and is typically established by law or regulation. For example, the minimum payout in Nevada is 75%, in New Jersey, 83%, and in Mississippi 80%. The winning patterns on slot machines – the amounts they pay and the frequencies of those payouts – are carefully selected to yield a certain fraction of the money played to the "house" (the operator of the slot machine), while returning the rest to the players during play. Suppose that a certain slot machine costs $1 per spin and has a return to player (RTP) of 95%. It can be calculated that over a sufficiently long period, such as 1,000,000 spins, that the machine will return an average of $950,000 to its players, who have inserted $1,000,000 during that time. In this (simplified) example, the slot machine is said to pay out 95%. The operator keeps the remaining $50,000. Within some EGM development organizations this concept is referred to simply as "par." "Par" also manifests itself to gamblers as promotional techniques: "Our 'Loose Slots' have a 93% payback! Play now!" It is worth noting that the "Loose Slots" actually may describe a very few anonymous machines in a particular bank of EGMs.

A slot machine's theoretical payout percentage is set at the factory when the software is written. Changing the payout percentage after a slot machine has been placed on the gaming floor requires a physical swap of the software or firmware, which is usually stored on an EPROM but may be loaded onto non-volatile random access memory (NVRAM) or even stored on CD-ROM or DVD, depending on the capabilities of the machine and the applicable regulations. “

What my husband swapped out in our machine was the EPROM chip.

Moving on...

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It’s not. They are two separate entities.

 

From Wikipedia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slot_machine

 

“Random Number Generators

 

All modern machines are designed using pseudo random number generators ("PRNGs"), which are constantly generating a sequence of simulated random numbers, at a rate of hundreds or perhaps thousands per second. As soon as the "Play" button is pressed, the most recent random number is used to determine the result. This means that the result varies depending on exactly when the game is played. A fraction of a second earlier or later, and the result would be different.

 

It is important that the machine contains a high-quality RNG implementation, because all PRNGs must eventually repeat their number sequence, and if the period is short, or the PRNG is otherwise flawed, an advanced player may be able to 'predict' the next result. Having access to the PRNG code and seed values, Ronald Dale Harris, a former slot machine programmer, discovered equations for specific gambling games like Keno that allowed him to predict what the next set of selected numbers would be based on the previous games played.

 

Most machines are designed to defeat this by generating numbers even when the machine is not being played, so the player cannot tell where in the sequence they are, even if they know how the machine was programmed.

 

Payout percentage

 

Slot machines are typically programmed to pay out as winnings 82% to 98% of the money that is wagered by players. This is known as the "theoretical payout percentage" or RTP, "return to player". The minimum theoretical payout percentage varies among jurisdictions and is typically established by law or regulation. For example, the minimum payout in Nevada is 75%, in New Jersey, 83%, and in Mississippi 80%. The winning patterns on slot machines – the amounts they pay and the frequencies of those payouts – are carefully selected to yield a certain fraction of the money played to the "house" (the operator of the slot machine), while returning the rest to the players during play. Suppose that a certain slot machine costs $1 per spin and has a return to player (RTP) of 95%. It can be calculated that over a sufficiently long period, such as 1,000,000 spins, that the machine will return an average of $950,000 to its players, who have inserted $1,000,000 during that time. In this (simplified) example, the slot machine is said to pay out 95%. The operator keeps the remaining $50,000. Within some EGM development organizations this concept is referred to simply as "par." "Par" also manifests itself to gamblers as promotional techniques: "Our 'Loose Slots' have a 93% payback! Play now!" It is worth noting that the "Loose Slots" actually may describe a very few anonymous machines in a particular bank of EGMs.

 

A slot machine's theoretical payout percentage is set at the factory when the software is written. Changing the payout percentage after a slot machine has been placed on the gaming floor requires a physical swap of the software or firmware, which is usually stored on an EPROM but may be loaded onto non-volatile random access memory (NVRAM) or even stored on CD-ROM or DVD, depending on the capabilities of the machine and the applicable regulations. “

 

What my husband swapped out in our machine was the EPROM chip.

 

Moving on...

 

 

 

 

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Different type of machine than what is currently in the casino's which I said from the beginning. . I provided links to the types of machines earlier in this thread and stand by that.

We love the non-smoking casinos on CCL. We don't play on any other cruise line because of the thick smoke. We play the 6/5 JoB video poker which is about 95%. Not winning but sometimes entertaining. We also play BJ and Craps when the

table limits are low. We watch for Casino Specials "buy $500 get $575" in non-negotiable chips. We take advantage of these to off set loses and are usually close to even. We have never lost as much in Casino as people are ripped out of in the SPA.

I guess it just depends on what floats your boat indulgence wise.

my wife wins at slots.. used to be they published the winnings in the daily newsletter, not so much.. which speaks volumes....

Different type of machine than what is currently in the casino's which I said from the beginning. . I provided links to the types of machines earlier in this thread and stand by that.

You’re wrong. The link I provided above and even in the text I copied into my post lists both EPROM chips as well as other formats like NVRAM or stored on CD-ROM or DVD for percentage payouts, the latter formats being found in newer slot machines. The older reel machines were on EPROM chips. In all cases the RNG is a separate entity.

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My husband and I usually spend a lot of time playing slots on Royal Caribbean.

 

We have an upcoming cruise on Infinity. In the past, we have not had enough wins in Celebrity casinos to justify spending a lot of time there. Has anyone won on slots in Celebrity casinos?

I have been of 4 Celebrity cruises and have yet to lose money in the casino playing slots.

I’ve cruised on 2 Celebrity shops, the Millinium and the Equinox and had good luck on the slots on both cruises.

I found the slots to be tighter than Las Vegas, but a lot better than numerous other casinos I’ve made “deposits” in ...

I play for pure entertainment because slots are all about being in the right place at the right time

Problem with craps on cruise casinos is your max odds is 2x. This puts the odds in considerable favor with the house as you cannot bet more.

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I’ve cruised on 2 Celebrity shops, the Millinium and the Equinox and had good luck on the slots on both cruises.

I found the slots to be tighter than Las Vegas, but a lot better than numerous other casinos I’ve made “deposits” in ...

I play for pure entertainment because slots are all about being in the right place at the right time

Last year on the Oosterdam won 8888.00 playing 1.68 bet. That is paying for our upcoming cruise on the Equinox.

Last year on the Oosterdam won 8888.00 playing 1.68 bet. That is paying for our upcoming cruise on the Equinox.

Outstanding!!!

I win all the time on the slots. I have this little box, about the size of a pack of cigerettes, that magnetically attaches to the side of the machine. I causes it to pay out over 50x more than normal.

If you send me $29.95 + shipping, I will send you one. I have a very limited supply, so hurry quick.

Remenber, limited supply, until a new shipment comes in. But don't delay, you won't be sorry.