Smoking on balconies.

Really? I've never heard anything like that

You've got to be kidding! The HVAC system on ships is balanced based on a closed environment. Your leaving the balcony door open negatively impacts air flow/temp of numerous adjacent cabins. Read the label that should be somewhere on that door.

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I think using an e-cig on balconies is fine, because there's no smell and the vapor disperses before it can even reach the dividers of adjoining balconies.

 

 

 

Smoking actual cigs is horribly inconsiderate, just like playing music on your balcony. Once I was stuck next to a trash couple that did both.

So wrong. The State of California has now included e-cigs in all restrictions related to tobacco use because of numerous new academic studies indicating that second hand vapor is a significant health hazard (not to mention the already established addiction issues). Moreover, hotels have begun to recognize that "scented/flavored vapor residue is as difficult to clean from drapes/fabrics as is tobacco aftermath.

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....Smoking actual cigs is horribly inconsiderate, just like playing music on your balcony. Once I was stuck next to a trash couple that did both.

What is wrong with playing music on your balcony?

You can THINK what you want but it is not allowed. BTW for a LOT of those things there is a smell.

I agree that some of them do smell. Had a co-worked who tried to say that it didn't smell and got very upset when people told him that we could smell it in the office.

What is wrong with playing music on your balcony?

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that some of them do smell. Had a co-worked who tried to say that it didn't smell and got very upset when people told him that we could smell it in the office.

If your balcony music is via headphones/earbuds, there's no problem. If it's a broadcasted genre not appreciated by your neighbors, or, even worse - it's being piped by a cheap speaker, it's wholly inconsiderate.

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Totally agree. I don't want to be forced to listen to my balcony neighbor's music, no matter how cool he thinks it is, or be forced to smell cigarette/E cig/vape whatever smoke/fumes, etc. People of course have the right to enjoy themselves but so does everyone else around them. It's simple, just use earbuds for music on balconies and smoke in designated smoking areas of the ship.

I am a smoker and I won't smoke on the balcony. I'm not going to police anyone else doing it, nor say anything to those who do police others - you do you. The only thing you may hate about being my neighbor is me using my Wonderboom to listen to music while I get ready for dinner or a show. If you're on the 10th floor of the Getaway on the May 6th cruise and your neighbor happens to be listening to music and it happens to be a bit too loud, come knock on my door and I'll gladly turn it down, no muss no fuss. I try to be considerate but I have no idea how thick or thin the walls are. I do need to look up and figure out where all the "smoking allowed" venues are on the ship, hopefully by a bar somewhere :D

e-cigarettes are specifically named and treated the same as tobacco cigarettes, pipes, cigars, etc.... not allowed in stateroom or bacony

 

https://www.ncl.com/faq#smoking

That link says this.

Electronic cigarettes cannot be used in public areas where there is a No Smoking policy in force; simply because these cigarettes look so realistic and therefore other guests' perception is that we are not enforcing the No Smoking rule.

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That link says this.

 

Electronic cigarettes cannot be used in public areas where there is a No Smoking policy in force; simply because these cigarettes look so realistic and therefore other guests' perception is that we are not enforcing the No Smoking rule.

 

I didn’t see anything about stateroom or balcony.

 

Basically in public because it looks like a cigarette not because it smells.

 

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That link says this.

 

Electronic cigarettes cannot be used in public areas where there is a No Smoking policy in force; simply because these cigarettes look so realistic and therefore other guests' perception is that we are not enforcing the No Smoking rule.

Yep, that's the reason. They don't want non-smoking guests to be alarmed, and don't want to have to hassle non-smoking but vaping guests who are not smoking. Their ship, their rules.

HAL recognizes that vaping has no deleterious effect on their staterooms so, as this Cruise Critic article says when HAL finally banned smoking and vaping from their balconies:

E-cigarettes and vaping devices are permitted in designated smoking areas, as well as inside passenger staterooms (but not on balconies).

I think this is a more reasonable policy because if it gets one smoker to switch to vaping it is worth it. Vaping is 95% safer than smoking, a much higher percentage of vapers quit smoking entirely, and regardless of the puritan hysteria promulgated by those that favor prohibition over harm reduction in public policy, it has much less "second hand" effects (one tenth the amount of nicotine and none of the carcinogenic byproducts of tobacco consumption). I'm very happy that most of the people in my family that smoke have switched to vaping, and I'm praying the remainder will.

Here it is people, right in black and white:

"Inhalation of fumesor mist may result in respiratory tract irritation and central nervous system (brain)effects may include headache, dizziness, loss of balance and coordination,unconsciousness, coma, respiratory failure, and death."

That is straight from the MSDS, Section 11, TOXICOLOGICAL INFORMATION.

I'm sure we can all agree anything that reads like the above should be outright banned, with no arguments or discussion.

Of course that MSDS information is about the burning of fuel oil, you know, that stuff cruise ships burn by the metric ton.

But yeah, lets worry about that smoke from the cigarette, it's politically correct and cool to harass smokers. Besides, we don't like to think about all the nasty stuff cruise ships, airplanes, and our personal vehicles dump into the atmosphere. That would take away from our fun and good times, and it is something we enjoy, so we will just keep ignoring all that exhaust coming out of the funnels of the ships.

That link says this.

 

Electronic cigarettes cannot be used in public areas where there is a No Smoking policy in force; simply because these cigarettes look so realistic and therefore other guests' perception is that we are not enforcing the No Smoking rule.

 

 

 

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Also, those professing e-cigs as a safe alternative to smoking..... I disagree.... having a device that has a history of exploding is not my idea of safe..

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I think that you all are missing the point. Smoking on your balcony is a fire hazard. Remember the Star Princess?

And this is why if I smell smoke on my balcony I report it immediately and ask what is going to be done about it

If I smell it from the same source a second time I report it immediately and tell them to remove my dsc in total

Why?

Simply to get Ncl's attention that I did not receive the service I expected

Don't bother with the rebuttals...the reason I'll do this simply to get their attention and $$ talks

The crew will still get their contracted pay

My steward may or may not get the extra tip I usually give depending on his role with the balcony smokers

Were they his pax?

Did he know they smoked and turned a blind eye?

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I am a smoker and I won't smoke on the balcony. I'm not going to police anyone else doing it, nor say anything to those who do police others - you do you. The only thing you may hate about being my neighbor is me using my Wonderboom to listen to music while I get ready for dinner or a show. If you're on the 10th floor of the Getaway on the May 6th cruise and your neighbor happens to be listening to music and it happens to be a bit too loud, come knock on my door and I'll gladly turn it down, no muss no fuss. I try to be considerate but I have no idea how thick or thin the walls are. I do need to look up and figure out where all the "smoking allowed" venues are on the ship, hopefully by a bar somewhere :D

What if you ignore the person smoking on the balcony next to you and that rule breaking smoker flicks the butt overboard and the wind blows the lit cig back into your cabin or on to your balcony?

Still glad you didn't police it?

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I am a smoker and I won't smoke on the balcony. I'm not going to police anyone else doing it, nor say anything to those who do police others - you do you. The only thing you may hate about being my neighbor is me using my Wonderboom to listen to music while I get ready for dinner or a show. If you're on the 10th floor of the Getaway on the May 6th cruise and your neighbor happens to be listening to music and it happens to be a bit too loud, come knock on my door and I'll gladly turn it down, no muss no fuss. I try to be considerate but I have no idea how thick or thin the walls are. I do need to look up and figure out where all the "smoking allowed" venues are on the ship, hopefully by a bar somewhere :D

Thanks for being considerate.

I was a smoker but cannot stand second hand smoke now. I am not evangelistic about it and I understand and get smokers. It is an addiction and habit and you need it.

On our recent, and first, NCL cruise we had smokers next door and they smoked on the balcony. On the second day, about dinner time, I informed them that they cannot smoke on the balcony and politely asked them to stop. They told me to FO and mind my own business. With that response, I went to customer service and reported them. There was a note posted on their door. The next day, they were smoking again and I asked them to stop because I could not open my door or sit out there, once again, they were real rude and told me to FO. Once again reported them. They were gone the following day. Don't know where they went. (they were not young people)

It brings up another issue. We have been on many cruises and we were very surprised how much space is given to smokers in comparison to the other lines we have been on. I suspect smokers know this and therefore choose NCL over the other cruise lines. No other line we have been on allows smoking inside, especially in the confines of a casino but, NCL does and it reeks. We did not use the casino and we normally do.

What if you ignore the person smoking on the balcony next to you and that rule breaking smoker flicks the butt overboard and the wind blows the lit cig back into your cabin or on to your balcony?

 

Still glad you didn't police it?

 

 

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We are not allowed to bring guns, knifes, tasers, swords or any weapons of any kind so how are we truly supposed to police the situation. If we could bring a taser of mace on board we could simply end the situation on the spot. Won't put your cigarette out after being asked, ZAP!!! ;););p;p

What many do not realize is that the vapes may not be for tradional tobacco, they may be for marijuana. We've smelled that quite often on ships balconies. It's pretty well known that vaping is a great way to use this substance as well as to hide it's usage from others in open air environments. Just to throw more educational some fun into this mix...

It brings up another issue. We have been on many cruises and we were very surprised how much space is given to smokers in comparison to the other lines we have been on. I suspect smokers know this and therefore choose NCL over the other cruise lines. No other line we have been on allows smoking inside, especially in the confines of a casino but, NCL does and it reeks. We did not use the casino and we normally do.

I think HAL is probably the most lenient; they only recently started banning smoking on balconies. And they allow vaping in the cabins.

What many do not realize is that the vapes may not be for tradional tobacco, they may be for marijuana. We've smelled that quite often on ships balconies. It's pretty well known that vaping is a great way to use this substance as well as to hide it's usage from others in open air environments. Just to throw more educational some fun into this mix...

So, there are two general kinds of vaping for cannabis. You can heat the raw plant material in a special vape device to just under combustion and vaporize the cannabinoids and terpenes in the material without actually burning it. This will give off a bit of the "marijuana smell" but it is reduced. This is probably what you smelled if it wasn't someone smoking "weed" in a traditional "joint".

The other general type that you would see on a cruise ship is an oil cartridge that is indistinguishable from vape juice for cigarettes. It doesn't give off a "marijuana smell" and is more likely to smell slightly of citrus or any number of flavors if you can smell anything at all. If I used cannabis to get high, and wanted to take some with me (risking arrest, imprisonment and the death penalty in some areas of the world), I would use this type. It is almost not detectable (dogs can't sniff it out, for instance, unless the cartridge has some residual from the dispensary you purchased it from).

So, there are two general kinds of vaping for cannabis. You can heat the raw plant material in a special vape device to just under combustion and vaporize the cannabinoids and terpenes in the material without actually burning it. This will give off a bit of the "marijuana smell" but it is reduced. This is probably what you smelled if it wasn't someone smoking "weed" in a traditional "joint".

 

 

The other general type that you would see on a cruise ship is an oil cartridge that is indistinguishable from vape juice for cigarettes. It doesn't give off a "marijuana smell" and is more likely to smell slightly of citrus or any number of flavors if you can smell anything at all. If I used cannabis to get high, and wanted to take some with me (risking arrest, imprisonment and the death penalty in some areas of the world), I would use this type. It is almost not detectable (dogs can't sniff it out, for instance, unless the cartridge has some residual from the dispensary you purchased it from).

I think what we have smelled is straight up weed. I am thrilled that there are ways to vape that now, I really find the skunk order horrible. :o

Happened to my husband and I first hand. Asked them politely to please not smoke on the balcony because it was blowing back into our room, pretty much told us to piss off and continued doing their thing. We didn’t want to be the “rule police” but it infringed on our ability to use and enjoy what we paid for “ a balcony”. The next day our room steward mentioned to us that he reported a drinking glass half full of wet cigarette butts to security two days in a row. The next day we hit Nassau and the couple never returned! Not sure if they were moved to another room or kicked off entirely. That would be such a waste of money! Please for everyone’s safety just follow the rules (including not climbing on railings!)[emoji12]

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Please be considerate for those of us with health issues and allergies! Smoke is a huge trigger for my allergies!

Yes, people still do it. It is very hard to prove someone was smoking, as smoke travels, so a fine almost never happens.

I actually saw someone do it on Norwegian Escape. We were sitting in a restaurant at the window. I called over the waiter. He reported it because he saw it too. I wonder what happened.

We have smelled someone smoking pot on our last two cruises, coincidentally both times after leaving Jamaica. There is no way to tell where it is coming from if one did want to tattle, unless maybe it was right beside, but then how does anyone prove it anyway? That being said, I always book cabins that are convenient to smoking areas for my husband as he would never smoke on the balcony now that it isn't allowed.

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So since when did reporting someone breaking the law become tattling?

Unless its very troubling to someone, (and I have smelled both pot and tobacco, only once was tobacco right next door and a problem for me personally), many people are just not inclined to be the smoking police if its wafting from somewhere unknown....

Unless its very troubling to someone, (and I have smelled both pot and tobacco, only once was tobacco right next door and a problem for me personally), many people are just not inclined to be the smoking police if its wafting from somewhere unknown....

So it best to ignore a proven fire hazard on a cruise ship?

What ever happened to "see something say something?"

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