If tips are so important, include them in the cost of the cruise

[iTouch]

Bar tips are not optional.

 

And I will admit I'm stretching a bit on the optional for the other tips.

 

They put them on your bill first and then you have to complain to have them removed. That isn't truly optional.

 

It's designed this way on purpose to make you feel bad about doing it.

 

I'm just asking since they are so important to their salaries to just include it in the cost of the cruise and then we can all tip optionally for what we believe is good service! (they probably would make more on this plan)

 

How would you include a drink tip in the cost of your cruise:confused:

 

Designed to make you feel bad:confused: Are you serious:confused: How about they are designed for convenience........and seriously feeling bad never came into mind in regards to auto tips LOL!

[Slacktide]

If tips are so important, then just include them in the cost of the cruise.

 

But, wait, for "business" reasons, they'd like to be able to quote a low entry price and then tack on taxes, fees, and tips later to make it up to the price they want in the first place.

 

None of these so called add-on charges are optional. Of course they will tell you the "tips" are optional, but then everyone in the cruise industry and their shils posting on these boards will inundate you with heavy manipulation to "encourage" you to tip the "optional" amount.

 

IF IT IS SO DAMN IMPORTANT JUST INCLUDE IT IN THE COST OF THE CRUISE!!!!!!!

 

We should encourage our legislators to create a law that requires businesses to quote the final price that one has to pay.

 

That makes to much sense. Now shut up and drink the kool-aide. What a one way site. Say one thing negative thing about Carnival and get group jumped. Whats wrong with the "bottom line" up front? I for one hate being told just what I'm going to tip. If you DEMAND a present, than it's no longer a present.

[iTouch]

They should be included in the cost that you are quoted not something that is added on later. Yes, you can prepay tips, but it's still not in the quoted cost.

 

My point is that if its so important for staff to get the tips, just include it in the quoted cost of the cruise and not make it optional.

 

LOL! It is all in black and white, I really don't need someone to calculate for me:D Perhaps some do:confused:

[Raven Days]

They should be included in the cost that you are quoted not something that is added on later. Yes, you can prepay tips, but it's still not in the quoted cost.

 

My point is that if its so important for staff to get the tips, just include it in the quoted cost of the cruise and not make it optional.

 

Actually they are quoted up front. When booking you have the option at that time to pay them. Its not like its a big surprise after you book and then find out about them. Again, the end result will be the same. The end cost of your cruise will not change, it still should include the tips. And if you want to be technical, the port fee's and taxes are not quoted up front either, you find out about those during the payment portion when you book.

[SadieN]

Tax Question--

If the tips are added to the cost of the fare will the tax increase?

 

What are the taxes added to the cruise fare? All I know is that there are Port Fees and Taxes, but not exactly what taxes are being collected.

 

Is it a sales tax? If so, we would pay almost 10% more, so on a 7 day cruise thats another $7.75.

 

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Or would a tip be a mandatory, separate line item?

[ItsAllAboutTheSass]

As I am booking a cruise online, and I am going through all my options (cabin type, deck, location) there is a price that updates on the right hand side. As you add more options further in the booking process (transportation, pre-paid gratuities, vacation protection) that number is updated. There is your quote. I don't believe that fees and taxes are legally allowed to be lumped in with the base fare. If you want to see what it is going to cost you, go thru the booking process.

[shof515]

I find it more odd how backwards/strange we are in the good ole USA. I think we are the only country with the required optional tipping policy....When the Spirit is going to down under, i read stuff that the fares includes tips and i think some places in the UK there the tips is included with the price of some hotels/etcs

[mk695]

Tax Question--

If the tips are added to the cost of the fare will the tax increase?

 

What are the taxes added to the cruise fare? All I know is that there are Port Fees and Taxes, but not exactly what taxes are being collected.

 

Is it a sales tax? If so, we would pay almost 10% more, so on a 7 day cruise thats another $7.75.

 

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Or would a tip be a mandatory, separate line item?

 

 

All I'm asking is that the tips are quoted in the cost of the cruise and make them required. They could be a fee for all I care, which in many cases are not taxed.

[mk695]

As I am booking a cruise online, and I am going through all my options (cabin type, deck, location) there is a price that updates on the right hand side. As you add more options further in the booking process (transportation, pre-paid gratuities, vacation protection) that number is updated. There is your quote. I don't believe that fees and taxes are legally allowed to be lumped in with the base fare. If you want to see what it is going to cost you, go thru the booking process.

 

 

This isn't the "quote" I'm talking about. I'm talking about the one they lure you in with ... the 7 day cruise for $349 that turns into $1099 when you have all the required options and the pretend optional ones added in.

 

We need a law for truth in advertising... the price quotes on sales flyers in the price you pay!!!! And then they can break it down all they want on the quote page.

 

The problem is that "business" people will soon have every for $1 and then have everything broken down into all the fees, tips, and taxes so they eventually get the price they want.

 

STOP THE FEE INSANITY

[linda_22003]

I don't think a law is necessary. Basically you cruise "all inclusive" or "a la carte", paying piecemeal for everything. We have always chosen an all inclusive line because I don't want to worry about tipping, I don't want separate bar bills, separate excursion costs - I want to know what the cruise costs, and have it all paid for by the time I get on board.

[elcuchio24]

If tips are so important, then just include them in the cost of the cruise.

 

But, wait, for "business" reasons, they'd like to be able to quote a low entry price and then tack on taxes, fees, and tips later to make it up to the price they want in the first place.

 

None of these so called add-on charges are optional. Of course they will tell you the "tips" are optional, but then everyone in the cruise industry and their shils posting on these boards will inundate you with heavy manipulation to "encourage" you to tip the "optional" amount.

 

IF IT IS SO DAMN IMPORTANT JUST INCLUDE IT IN THE COST OF THE CRUISE!!!!!!!

 

We should encourage our legislators to create a law that requires businesses to quote the final price that one has to pay.

 

Why? Every other cruise line does it the same way CCL does.

[iTouch]

All I'm asking is that the tips are quoted in the cost of the cruise and make them required. They could be a fee for all I care, which in many cases are not taxed.

 

Then they wouldn't be tips......they would be a service charge......Now you would be considered cheap if you didn't tip even though you paid the service charge.......

Service charge will bring up the price of the cruise which will bring up the price of the tax which will bring up the price of commission which will bring up the price of the cruise lol......Oh and while we are at it throw in the fuel charge......

[mk695]

Then they wouldn't be tips......they would be a service charge......Now you would be considered cheap if you didn't tip even though you paid the service charge.......

Service charge will bring up the price of the cruise which will bring up the price of the tax which will bring up the price of commission which will bring up the price of the cruise lol......Oh and while we are at it throw in the fuel charge......

 

 

Speaking of commission, I should get the commission when I book directly on the Carnvial Web site. I mean afterall I didn't use a travel agent, but acted as one on my behalf so I should get the commission.

 

I think we need a fat charge, because I am thin and I don't eat much and I shouldnt have to subsidize the food for women with big azzes.

 

I don't use the gym, so I shouldnt have to pay for the electricty and staff using it.

 

I didn't use the pool, so I shouldnt pay for the chemicals that treated the water.

 

This is SILLY.

 

I'm not talking about all this.

 

I'm talking about the TIPS! The TIPS that they claim are optional but then force them upon you. If they are so important then include them in the cost of the cruise and make them REQUIRED!!!!!!!

[elcuchio24]

Speaking of commission, I should get the commission when I book directly on the Carnvial Web site. I mean afterall I didn't use a travel agent, but acted as one on my behalf so I should get the commission.

 

I think we need a fat charge, because I am thin and I don't eat much and I shouldnt have to subsidize the food for women with big azzes.

 

I don't use the gym, so I shouldnt have to pay for the electricty and staff using it.

 

I didn't use the pool, so I shouldnt pay for the chemicals that treated the water.

 

This is SILLY.

 

I'm not talking about all this.

 

I'm talking about the TIPS! The TIPS that they claim are optional but then force them upon you. If they are so important then include them in the cost of the cruise and make them REQUIRED!!!!!!!

 

How are they forcing them on you? If you don't want to pay for tips, then remove them. Do you go out to eat on land and then freak out and complain when you have to pay a tip to your server? I don't understand your line of reasoning.

[Marcel.from.NL]

They could be a fee for all I care, which in many cases are not taxed.

 

hm... Maybe not taxed for you, but then the cruiselines will have to pay it as salaries to cabin staff, waiters etc. Then it will be taxed and there will be less left for them.

 

Resort fees are not to be paid, to pass it as tip to staff, but are paid for the use of amenities. Slightly different.

[mk695]

hm... Maybe not taxed for you, but then the cruiselines will have to pay it as salaries to cabin staff, waiters etc. Then it will be taxed and there will be less left for them.

 

Resort fees are not to be paid, to pass it as tip to staff, but are paid for the use of amenities. Slightly different.

 

 

Oh so I get it, this is just another tactit for cruise lines avoid paying taxes to governments. This is a speciality of the cruise lines. I guess then they don't contribute to social security, medical or other government programs.

 

It's a method to pay employees under the table.

 

ALL THE MORE REASON TO REQUIRE the tips included in the charge. So, that employees are treated fairly and receive a proper salary for their work.

 

IT GETS CRAZIER BY THE SECOND!!

 

 

(Come on cruise line shills, I'm dragging you out one by one. This is fun)

[mk695]

How are they forcing them on you? If you don't want to pay for tips, then remove them. Do you go out to eat on land and then freak out and complain when you have to pay a tip to your server? I don't understand your line of reasoning.

 

last time I checked when I went out to a restaurant I didn't have the tip automatically added to the bill. It was truly optional. I did not have to work to have it removed or do anything extra to have it removed.

 

This is my POINT. Since cruise lines add the charge automatically they are saying to us how important it is. If it is so damn important include it in the cost of the cruise and make it REQUIRED.

 

Cut to the chase and get get rid of the games.

[Budman1]

Bar tips are not optional.

 

And I will admit I'm stretching a bit on the optional for the other tips.

 

They put them on your bill first and then you have to complain to have them removed. That isn't truly optional.

 

It's designed this way on purpose to make you feel bad about doing it.

 

I'm just asking since they are so important to their salaries to just include it in the cost of the cruise and then we can all tip optionally for what we believe is good service! (they probably would make more on this plan)

 

Actually, bar tips are optional. Bar drinks are discretionay spending just like spending money in the shops or casino are.

[mk695]

So in summary, I want to say, that I believe in paying the cruise line workers a good salary. And in my opinion, I'm willing to pay for that.

 

A tip should be a tip, something neither asked for nor "optionally" required.

 

Cruise lines argue that tips are extremely important for the livelihood of their staff and I agree. So much so that it shouldn't be a tip, but they should increase the costs of the cruise to cover the money they need to pay their staff.

 

Face it as times get tougher, we can expect Cruise lines to starting breaking out all kind of fees, surcharges, tips or whatever you want to call it, so that they can advertise a lower price or keep the entry price low.

 

This hurts us all, paying employees under the table to avoid taxes for government programs we all use or making the onus on us to pay the "optional" tip so employees can eat is not right.

[mk695]

Actually, bar tips are optional. Bar drinks are discretionay spending just like spending money in the shops or casino are.

 

You're twisting words to play games.

 

The bar charge is optional but the gratuity is not. Try telling your bartender that you don't want to pay the gratuity when you order a drink. That is what isn't optional the gratuity.

[iTouch]

Speaking of commission, I should get the commission when I book directly on the Carnvial Web site. I mean afterall I didn't use a travel agent, but acted as one on my behalf so I should get the commission.

 

I think we need a fat charge, because I am thin and I don't eat much and I shouldnt have to subsidize the food for women with big azzes.

 

I don't use the gym, so I shouldnt have to pay for the electricty and staff using it.

 

I didn't use the pool, so I shouldnt pay for the chemicals that treated the water.

 

This is SILLY.

 

I'm not talking about all this.

 

I'm talking about the TIPS! The TIPS that they claim are optional but then force them upon you. If they are so important then include them in the cost of the cruise and make them REQUIRED!!!!!!!

 

Calm down obviously you didn't get my point......adding a service charge would bring the price of the cabin up. Higher cabin price would bring the taxes up. The total price would be higher resulting in Carnival to pay a higher commission.....So we will be paying more for our cruise and Carnival will be paying out a higher commission. Or they can leave it like it is and we pay lower fares, company pays lower commission and the staff still gets their tips......

[sonicbuffalo]

If tips are so important, then just include them in the cost of the cruise.

 

But, wait, for "business" reasons, they'd like to be able to quote a low entry price and then tack on taxes, fees, and tips later to make it up to the price they want in the first place.

 

None of these so called add-on charges are optional. Of course they will tell you the "tips" are optional, but then everyone in the cruise industry and their shils posting on these boards will inundate you with heavy manipulation to "encourage" you to tip the "optional" amount.

 

IF IT IS SO DAMN IMPORTANT JUST INCLUDE IT IN THE COST OF THE CRUISE!!!!!!!

 

We should encourage our legislators to create a law that requires businesses to quote the final price that one has to pay.

 

You don't get it...you can go to the pursers desk and have the tips adjusted or deleted, or add more to the tip amount. It's YOUR choice, and I, for one, like having the option of tipping MORE or LESS.

[iTouch]

You're twisting words to play games.

 

The bar charge is optional but the gratuity is not. Try telling your bartender that you don't want to pay the gratuity when you order a drink. That is what isn't optional the gratuity.

 

How would you incorporate the bar tip into the price of the cruise:confused: And why would you even want to take your bar tip off? Just curious?

[Marcel.from.NL]

last time I checked when I went out to a restaurant I didn't have the tip automatically added to the bill. It was truly optional. I did not have to work to have it removed or do anything extra to have it removed.

 

Guess you've never been in New York.

 

I still don't get your point about "complaining to get tips removed from your account". There is no complaining, just asking.

If you see it as complaining, then that's more an issue you have then many others.

I would say: go find a cruiseline that requires you to pay tips and stay happy.

Isn't that what you're saying: "the whole business does it another way, so the cruiselines need to adjust".

Well : the whole world is looking for another company if they don't like the business, so find yourself another company that suits your wishes.:rolleyes:

[iTouch]

So in summary, I want to say, that I believe in paying the cruise line workers a good salary. And in my opinion, I'm willing to pay for that.

 

 

Then put your money where your mouth is and do it.....there are cruiselines out there.........