Some "good" can come out of this tragedy

[bazzaw]

I think that one big trap that we humans can fall into - is becoming blase about some things. We especially become blase about preparing/organising for things that never ever happen. Then when they do happen, we race around re-organising.

 

As someone who will be going on 3 Cunard cruises shortly (and I in no way equate Cunard with Costa!), I will be interested to see what "re-organisation" comes about within Cunard - and will also be interested to hear from others who are cruising now and in the immediate future of any "changes" that they see.

 

 

Barry

[Classiccruiser777]

One good thing is that an incompetent master most likely will lose his license if not spend time in prison.

[Salacia]

One good thing is that an incompetent master most likely will lose his license if not spend time in prison.

 

Are you sure it was the Captain who altered the programmed course? According to reports, the Captain was not at the bridge at the time as he was busing entertaining guests which is 'part of the Captian's job'

 

The documented fact is that the Captain left the sinking ship while passengers and crew members were still aboard. Based on that alone, his ticket should be pulled. At the very least.

[Salacia]

Classiccruiser777, sorry, I badly composed my previous post. I think we might be in agreement. Regards -S.

[bazzaw]

Another good thing to come out of this - is that the island of Giglio looks like a really nice place!!:rolleyes: Wouldn't mind spending some time there myself - perhaps their tourism industry will increase after this?

 

Barry

[Salacia]

Another good thing to come out of this - is that the island of Giglio looks like a really nice place!!:rolleyes: Wouldn't mind spending some time there myself - perhaps their tourism industry will increase after this?

 

Barry

 

It does look like a lovely place with nice citizens. About tourism increasing, I think that depends on what happens with the fuel on the ship...500,000 gallons.

[capnpugwash]

[Disclaimer] the following story was reportedly written by the GSM of the Concordia but is unverified as of Monday morning. If true, it goes against what has been widely reported about the captain jumping ship. We have to add that the fact that the crew managed to evacuate as many as they did, in as little time as they did, and with as few casualties as there were, is honorable. Unfortunately when you’re dealing in the cruise industry, one casualty is too many.

 

Here is the story by the GSM:

 

 

“Unfortunately I don’t have my nametag to photograph, because I lost it at sea, along with my camera! My name is Katia Keyvanian, I am The GSM (Guest Service Manager) embarked on the 13th of January to substitute my colleague on the Concordia. I can write only a few lines, as I have a train to catch to go home! I would love to be invited by Giletti, Mentana, Vinci and all the other journalists, who without knowledge of the facts and who without verifying their sources, only write nonsense! I wish I could respond to the flood of nonsense and lies that have been said! But for now, until I can say more I can only say this;

 

‘We evacuated 4000 people in the dark, with the ship inclined on it’s side, in less than two hours! Those who are “incompetent” are not able to do this. It is not true that the captain was first to leave the ship. I was on the last boat and he remained attached to the railing of deck 3, while the ship was sinking.

 

Shame on you incompetent journalists who wrote that he was the first to leave! I was on the lifeboat, that was sailing away and about to be crushed by the hoist of the sinking ship, which was about to break through our roof. We pulled a lot of guests into the lifeboat who had ended up in the sea, and as we undressed a girl in wet clothes to cover her with a blanket, a guest filmed us with his phone! Shame on you! We executed a rescue operation at sea, and as we pulled another gentleman out of the water, me with a rope tied around my wrist for more strength to pull him up, another man was taking pictures! Shame on you! we had to manage a flock of sheep in jeopardy and then are told that we were incompetent?! Shame on you! While I was inclined to release people who were pushing and screaming, one by one into the boat, a large man who was obviously a passenger smoked a cigarette.

 

When I asked “What the **** are you doing smoking a cigarette in this state, in the dark, with fuel that could come out of the boat?!” and his response was, “I need it for stress. I have one thing more to add, before I miss my train ……… We worked for the guests, to save them, to take them to safety, if they are saved, it is only thanks to us alone, all the crew, who did everything.

 

We do not want to be thanked, NO, we have only done our duty, but we do not want to hear all the nonsense, lies, and more lies, just to give you the “scoop” of these so called broadcasts.

 

4000 PEOPLE IN TWO HOURS, IN THE DARK … with the ship tilted, we took them WE, THE STAFF CONCORDIA TO SHORE.

 

They did not go themselves in buckets and shovels themselves to the shore! We brought them!! I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the residents of Isola del Giglio, the mayor, who came on board, to verify the situation, (not knowing who he was because he did not have a life jacket!) Thank you with all my heart all, al…l the islanders who worked for all of us, with maximum availability, giving us their colorful blankets, some even knitted of crochet, looking for cell phone chargers, and so much more. Thanks to all of them. Now I’m off to catch a train and go home. See you soon. Oh, I forgot …. one more thing I would like to say,

 

Shame on you!!

[Pushka]

I think that email has been pretty much disputed by the Coast Guard.

 

 

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[Ray66]

Shame on you incompetent journalists who wrote that he was the first to leave!

 

That's the first time I've heard him being accused of being first to leave, however the following is a transcript from the Black Box recordings:

 

Port official:

 

"Now you go to the bow, you climb up the emergency ladder and co-ordinate the evacuation.

"You must tell us how many people, children, women and passengers are there and the exact number of each category.

 

"What are you doing? Are you abandoning the rescue? Captain, this is an order, I am the one in charge now. You have declared abandoning ship. There are already bodies."

 

Captain: "How many?"

 

Official:

 

"That is for you to tell me, what are you doing? Do you want to go home?"

[eratog2]

I have just read the statement the Cap'n has posted, on facebook. The part I find the strangest, is that the mayor of the Island boarded the ship . . . . . is it just me, or does that just not seem feasible??? Having watched numerous news broadcasts about this tragedy, I have heard on more than one channel that the captain was on land, as the evacuation was taking place, and that other officers were pleading with him to return to his post . . . .

 

I have to agree that evacuating 4000 people, in darkness, was an extraordinary feat, but this does not detract that the ship was where it shouldn't have been - it should have been to the west of the island, but was actually to the east - something was wrong somewhere.

[Bell Boy]

Very unprofessional of the GSM of the ship to post somthing like this and who is more interested in catching her train ...... And the captain who has found time to post on facebook ?... sorry but that says it all for me.

 

I aggree with you Pushka ...I'll be taking note of the coast guard and what Costa/Carnival have to say.

 

 

Bell Boy

[Salacia]

This Reuter's story includes a transcript of the conversation between the Italian Coast Guard official and Costa Concordia's Captain: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/17/us-italy-ship-tape-idUSTRE80G0SE20120117

 

Clearly, the captain and his first officer abandoned ship while passengers and crew were still on board.

[eratog2]

Very unprofessional of the GSM of the ship to post somthing like this and who is more interested in catching her train ...... And the captain who has found time to post on facebook ?... sorry but that says it all for me.

 

I aggree with you Pushka ...I'll be taking note of the coast guard and what Costa/Carnival have to say.

 

 

Bell Boy

 

Ah, maybe I didn't make myself clear, I meant I had seen the same message that Cap'n Pugwash posted . . . . not the Captain of the ship :o

[PortOffPort]

That anyone died, aside from heart attacks or unfortunate accidents in the ship, in this accident is a shame on Costa and Carnival. The ship is a stone's skip from shore! That captain should be responsible for cowardice and incompetence during this entire debacle. No excuses.

 

Hope Cunard doesn't have any like him.

[moniquet]

How can a "good thing" come out of this which has led to the death of some. About 70 injured and thousands probably traumatised:rolleyes:

[bazzaw]

"Good" can come out of all things - even the worst of things. Perhaps with the changes that you and I make, combined with the changes to cruising that "should" undoubtedly come out of this tragedy, perhaps an even bigger tragedy will be prevented from occurring in the future.

 

If no good can come out of this - then we need not rethink the way we do things.

 

 

Barry

[Cruise Liner Fan]

This Reuter's story includes a transcript of the conversation between the Italian Coast Guard official and Costa Concordia's Captain: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/17/us-italy-ship-tape-idUSTRE80G0SE20120117

 

Clearly, the captain and his first officer abandoned ship while passengers and crew were still on board.

I heard on the TV news that the Captain of the Costa Concordia now faces 15 years in prison which he deserves.The story I heard on TV is that the Costa Concordia's Captain at the request of a crewmember sailed the ship dangerously close to the island so that the crewmember can wave to his friends on shore,even though the navigation charts show that it is dangerous to sail the ship in these waters because of the reefs and rocks.So now because of the Captain's stupidity there are now as of this writing 11 passengers dead and about 20 or so passengers still missing.This Captain will never again be in command of a Cruise Ship or even a row boat because again of his stupidity.Remember that he also abandoned ship while there were passengers still aboard even though the Captain has to stay aboard ship until all passengers are off the ship and he should rename himself Captain Chicken.I hope he enjoys his new career which is stamping out license plates in prison. Regards,Jerry

[Salacia]

How can a "good thing" come out of this which has led to the death of some. About 70 injured and thousands probably traumatised:rolleyes:

 

Hi moniquet. I agree that it does seem counterintuitive that a good thing can result from such tragic circumstances. But it does happen, and I believe that we will learn from those who suffered on the Costa Concordia. I have no doubt that as a result the lives lost, and those who survived, improvements will be made on cruise lines as a result of increased focus. Regards, -Salacia

[balf]

Hope Cunard doesn't have any like him.

 

Until the facts come out, which could take some time, we really do not know where the blame fully lies. However one thought that is worth thinking about is the near god like adolation many, including many on these boards have for the ship captains, and what effect this could have on them.

 

Could power and this almost hero worship affect judgements in some individuals?

 

David.

[Cruachan]

Could power and this almost hero worship affect judgements in some individuals?

 

David.

 

There are a few well documented examples of this happening in the aviation business because first officers regarded the captain with such awe that they wouldn't challenge his decisions even when they knew that he was wrong.

 

J

[moniquet]

Until the facts come out, which could take some time, we really do not know where the blame fully lies. However one thought that is worth thinking about is the near god like adolation many, including many on these boards have for the ship captains, and what effect this could have on them.

 

Could power and this almost hero worship affect judgements in some individuals?

 

David.

 

Good points. Maybe we will not see as many posts saying they didn't see the captain socialising very much:) Be interesting to see if there were any comments about the disgraced Captain on the Costa boards before the incident.

[Leucothea]

So I suppose the Captain never did go back on board after he spoke with the Coast Guard.

 

I also heard that many male passengers on the ship were pushing women and children out of the way to get to the lifeboats. What does this say about our world?

 

At least children and their mothers should have been given priority.

[capnpugwash]

So I suppose the Captain never did go back on board after he spoke with the Coast Guard.

 

I also heard that many male passengers on the ship were pushing women and children out of the way to get to the lifeboats. What does this say about our world?

 

At least children and their mothers should have been given priority.

 

Not that I disagree with you at all but are these the same women who bitch about men holding doors open for them and similar courtesies. Who did you hear about the pushing from as a matter of interest?

[Leucothea]

Not that I disagree with you at all but are these the same women who bitch about men holding doors open for them and similar courtesies. Who did you hear about the pushing from as a matter of interest?

 

Heard about the general bad behavior from a US news channel.

 

That's why I said "children and their mothers". I did not say all women; but children should be given priority as well as their caretakers.

 

I always thank men who open doors for me, by the way. There was a time when women seemed against these kinds of gallantries, but I don't see that any more. Women often bear large responsibilities as well as being vulnerable to violence, so the changes that have happened evolved naturally out of necessity.

 

So that's why I say children should get the lifeboats first, and those who care for them, because we live in a different world.