bonnie&clydecruzers Posted February 25, 2012 #76 Share Posted February 25, 2012 The cruises out of California are in a bad place right now. Mexico cruising from the West is just not as good as it used to be. I have cruised many times from California as I am local and I have been to Mexico many times via car, plane and boat. Mexico is in a state of war between the good the bad and the ugly and the ugly seem to be winning. Mexico used to be a great way to be able to cruise without having to fly to the East Coast for us from California. In 2011 we sailed on 2 cruises to Mexico...and decided they will be our last. It's hard to admit it, but at some point in the near future, I think I might have to decide the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie&clydecruzers Posted February 25, 2012 #77 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I hope not. I live here and have already seen the Pacific Coast over and over. Mexico is already a plan B for us. A tour of the west coast would suck for us. Yeah it would suck as I love Cabo and PV, but if things get really bad, where would Splendor cruise to since she still has 11 months here in CA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Lisette Posted February 25, 2012 #78 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I'm kinda not surprised. The last trip we made to Ensenada at Christmas - our trip to La Bufadora was kinda sketchy. I mean the tour guide stopped at the fricking GAS STATION! Lol. It's funny to me now but at the time, I remember texting my daughter in SoCal and telling her that I was on a ghetto tour through MX and we were stopped at the La-El-Los gas station. Our tour guide was lost and making lots of phone calls. The whole thing was extremely shady and the paranoid chick that lives in my head started coming up with a Plan B and Plan C in the event things got crazy. We all breathed a sigh of relief when he drove us back to our cruise ship. I am not exaggerating by any means. My sis and I are looking to book another cruise but we're sick of Baja and La Bufadora. *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCLNCLRCICRUISER Posted February 25, 2012 #79 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I agree with you, and I am a CCL stockholder, so I am very interested in what happens, but I also live on the West Coast and in Mexico, so I am also watching out for both their bottom lines also. I do feel for those in Mexico that depend on tourist dollars, this is a article from a couple of days ago re: Mazatlan http://travel.usatoday.com/cruises/story/2012-02-20/Mexican-port-suffers-loss-of-cruise-ships/53179704/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWcruisers Posted February 25, 2012 #80 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Yeah it would suck as I love Cabo and PV, but if things get really bad, where would Splendor cruise to since she still has 11 months here in CA. If she is smart, she will stay put. Do you want to go to the Pacific Northwest? I know I don't. So, Carnival loaned the Port Authority of San Diego a bunch of money to enhance the facilities and then pulled the ships from San Diego. Also, Canrival has said that they want to help Mexico enhance their destinations like some of the fake destinations such as Costa Maya. What happened there?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterstale Posted February 25, 2012 #81 Share Posted February 25, 2012 First of all...It's THIRSTY Frog, NOT Red Frog. And there is absolutely NO comparison between STT and what's going on in Mexico right now. NONE. I sail in the USVI and the BVI frequently...and when I say "sail" ...I mean SAIL, not sitting on a deck chair. I SAIL. On a 40 footer. With a mast. And a mainsail. And a jib. Look it up :D.404 days "on the sea"? Seriously? You call that "on the sea". Talk to me when you're in the middle of a squall that came out of nowhere and you've got 60 seconds to douse the sails. NO COMPARISON. People sitting on cruise ship balconies sipping cocktails have ZERO clue what the actual "sailing" atmosphere of a region is like. And yes, I've sailed the Splendor twice and I'm very bummed she's leaving - I too like to jump on the ship from my "backyard" on the cheap. But there is no denying that things are getting more and more dangerous in Mexico. It's getting hostile. This was a serious incident. Not to mention the fact that after the BVI? Mexico=cesspool. I only go when I get a good rate and there's nothing better to do.... Anegada -vs- Puerto Vallarta? ROFL. But then again.... you probably had to "google" Anegada, didn't you? :D There will never be an "excursion" to Anegada...thank the good Lord... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWcruisers Posted February 25, 2012 #82 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I do feel for those in Mexico that depend on tourist dollars, this is a article from a couple of days ago re: Mazatlan http://travel.usatoday.com/cruises/story/2012-02-20/Mexican-port-suffers-loss-of-cruise-ships/53179704/1 Thank You October Destiny and I hope folks will take the time to read the entire article. I miss Mazatalan.:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWcruisers Posted February 25, 2012 #83 Share Posted February 25, 2012 First of all...It's THIRSTY Frog, NOT Red Frog. Actually, if you want to get into it, we are both wrong: http://www.carnival.com/cms/funship20/pdf/Red_Frog_RumBar_Menu.pdf As far as St Thomas goes, we will agree to disagree.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolreader Posted February 25, 2012 #84 Share Posted February 25, 2012 OK CWcruisers, I mentioned the Sept. 2011 thread to support my statement that this is not the first time there have been problems. And yes I read Threads about difficulties at other ports. But something happening at one port does not make it right to happen in Mexico. I get that you love Mexico, and it is hard for you admit they have any fault in this. We should just not talk about it because it casts a bad light, the cruise lines may not go there, and we may not be able to cruise to the Mexican Riviera. I really feel sorry for the people in Mexico relying on the cruisers for their income. I was in Cabo right after the cruises first came back to Mexico after the swine flu scare, and the people were so desperate that I bought things I did not want or need to help them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hondu Posted February 25, 2012 #85 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Mexico is the main reason I hate a Western Caribbean cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWcruisers Posted February 25, 2012 #86 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Poolreader, it's not the first nor will it be the last. And it is not hard for me to admit Mexico has problems. Just ask me the challenges of living there, even part tiem, and I can come up with quite a few. But then I am one to love a challenge. But, all I am asking is that the entire country not be cast in a negative shadow, because there are still plenty of parts of the country, in paricular, the parts that the cruise ships pay visits to, that are just fine. As for the cruise lines pulling out of the West Coast, not just Mexico, it's all about the money. They're not making it, so they are leaving. And they justify it with the fear that people have. That is not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenbo57 Posted February 25, 2012 #87 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I can't get too worked up about what's going on in Mexico. If you feel endangered, don't go. I love it there, have always felt safe, and am planning a trip to Mazatlan later this year. Where I live there's currently a manhunt going on for someone who's stabbed two people to death and seriously injured a third. Earlier this week a 9 year old girl was critically wounded when the gun a fellow student had in his backpack went off, and a WSP trooper was shot and killed during a routine traffic stop. There have been at least three shooting deaths in Seattle this week (there might have been two more, but I can't remember whether or not the victims died). Yet I doubt whether any of the thousands of cruisers who'll be descending on the area for the upcoming Alaska cruise season are too worried about violence in Seattle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWcruisers Posted February 25, 2012 #88 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Mexico is the main reason I hate a Western Caribbean cruise. Which happens to be my favorite.:D Different stokes for different folks.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hondu Posted February 25, 2012 #89 Share Posted February 25, 2012 And another. Do you see what I meant? Condemming a whole county for one incident?:confused: Huh! Aruba averages 1 murder per year and when the blonde teen disappeared the whole country was condemned. Mexico is no Aruba when it comes to murder statistics. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Lisette Posted February 25, 2012 #90 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Why is no one else reporting this? Only MSNBC Blog and Cruise Critic. Oh and the Mexican site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWcruisers Posted February 25, 2012 #91 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Huh! Aruba averages 1 murder per year and when the blonde teen disappeared the whole country was condemned. Mexico is no Aruba when it comes to murder statistics. :( The community I live in, in San Diego, is the same way, our murder stats shot up 200% with one murder. You definitely have a point.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWcruisers Posted February 25, 2012 #92 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Why is no one else reporting this? Only MSNBC Blog and Cruise Critic.Oh and the Mexican site. Well, I could say it's because it's not really news, but I will most likely be flamed for that.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Lisette Posted February 25, 2012 #93 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Well, I could say it's because it's not really news, but I will most likely be flamed for that.:rolleyes: Well the Mexican site says that the police of El Nogalito tried to keep it under wraps. And apparently this happened last night, not today. Something's fishy. I was able to post on CC during my cruise. I would've flown back home actually. No way in hell I could continue on with my cruise as if I wasn't just held up at gunpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWcruisers Posted February 25, 2012 #94 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Well the Mexican site says that the police of El Nogalito tried tokeep it under wraps. And apparently this happened last night, not today. Something's fishy. I was able to post on CC during my cruise. I would've flown back home actually. No way in hell I could continue on with my cruise as if I wasn't just held up at gunpoint. Hopefully nothing like this happens where you live in So. Cal or anywhere else your travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolreader Posted February 25, 2012 #95 Share Posted February 25, 2012 CWcruisers: The dictionary definition of 'news' says a report of recent events so, TOURIST ROBBED IN MEXICO is news. Up until now no one has "flamed you", but with your attitude you are begging for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferfoodle Posted February 25, 2012 #96 Share Posted February 25, 2012 The community I live in, in San Diego, is the same way, our murder stats shot up 200% with one murder. You definitely have a point.:) new math? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Lisette Posted February 25, 2012 #97 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Hopefully nothing like this happens where you live in So. Cal or anywhere else your travel. I was robbed back in the 90s at a nail shop. The guy came in, knocked over all the nail polish and lamps, made some demands and told the nail techs to open the safe in the back. He followed them to the back (where he later tied them up) and I ran lickety split out the door and into the restaurant next door. Scariest thing ever for a 17 y/o. I grew up in West LA, crime and violence happens but when it happens to you - sucks. That said, I'd hate to see Carnival leave California. So I will just have to pony up for the long distance HI and AK cruises. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWcruisers Posted February 25, 2012 #98 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Poolreader, each of our communities have recent events. Some worse than others. Bottom line, I do not want the cruise industry to leave the West Coast. And I, IMHO, do not feel that recent "news" events justify that. I want the option to sail from a ship in California and not only to HI or Alaska, that's all.:) Ferfoodle, I am only reporting what they reported. There was one murder the year before, so the murder the next year I guess made it 200%. I really didn't care, I still like living here.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLC@SD Posted February 25, 2012 #99 Share Posted February 25, 2012 This incident continues to confirm that Mexico is a cruise destination that will continue to grow less popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWcruisers Posted February 25, 2012 #100 Share Posted February 25, 2012 This incident continues to confirm that Mexico is a cruise destination that will continue to grow less popular. Yes, it hurts all of the West Coast ports, especially, IMHO, San Diego which is one of the greatest ports to cruise from. That is why I am so passionate about keeping these news items in perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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