suzyed Posted June 29, 2013 #226 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Really....whatever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novicetraveller Posted June 29, 2013 #227 Share Posted June 29, 2013 The one thing that confuses me about the western world is the sense of entitlement. I really don't get it... and this is coming from someone who lives in the western world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Lionesss Posted June 29, 2013 #228 Share Posted June 29, 2013 We are sailing in two weeks. We have always considered the pre-pay tips a part of the cruise cost. In addition when someone goes above and beyond the call of duty, we give an additional tip of recognition. We take our own envelope and note cards. It is just what we do. Sea Ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim M Posted June 29, 2013 #229 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Cabin attendants, waiters and asst waiters have a job to perform. I wish that they were paid for that job (out of cruise cost) and tips were really for exceptional service. The incentive would still be there for them to provide that. My $.02 Jim M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novicetraveller Posted June 29, 2013 #230 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Cabin attendants, waiters and asst waiters have a job to perform. I wish that they were paid for that job (out of cruise cost) and tips were really for exceptional service. The incentive would still be there for them to provide that. My $.02 Jim M Strange as it may seem, I agree with this. However, the culture of tipping is deep rooted and would still be expected, even if they are on a good living wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim M Posted June 29, 2013 #231 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Strange as it may seem, I agree with this. However, the culture of tipping is deep rooted and would still be expected, even if they are on a good living wage. Agreed, but there would be no expected tip due to Royal Caribbean "guidelines" so it would really be based on the service they provide. BTW, I am a tipper, but even in a land restaurant I base it on level of service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtoncruise Posted June 29, 2013 #232 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Me too! We always prepay our tips and then add extra at the end of the cruise. No difference than going out to dinner and tipping at the end of our meal. It's totally different! Unless you prepay your tips at a restaurant? Ive never heard of this anywhere on earth! You are tipping twice? Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribbean sailor Posted June 29, 2013 #233 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Me too! We always prepay our tips and then add extra at the end of the cruise. No difference than going out to dinner and tipping at the end of our meal. IT's your money,going out to diner you tip once.You are now tipping twice.Just saying,have a great next cruise. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9x8 Posted June 29, 2013 #234 Share Posted June 29, 2013 It's totally different! Unless you prepay your tips at a restaurant? Ive never heard of this anywhere on earth! You are tipping twice? Am I missing something? Yes. Many restaurants in Europe include a "service charge." Even in the US, many restaurants automatically add a tip for parties of six or more, and some add the gratuity no matter the number of guests. It is at the diner's discretion to add more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9x8 Posted June 29, 2013 #235 Share Posted June 29, 2013 The one thing that confuses me about the western world is the sense of entitlement. I really don't get it... and this is coming from someone who lives in the western world. Don't think of it as entitlement, but as a different manner off accounting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtoncruise Posted June 29, 2013 #236 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Yes. Many restaurants in Europe include a "service charge."Even in the US, many restaurants automatically add a tip for parties of six or more, and some add the gratuity no matter the number of guests. It is at the diner's discretion to add more. Many? Percentage terms its very small. Sometimes there is a cover charge for olives bread etc If a restaurant adds auto gratuities for large parties over here that's all they are expecting and it's usually 10%. They do it because they realise that they will sometimes get stiffed a little as many don't tip the full 10% No need to tip more......but you can if you want...... But you don't pre pay and then tip more......never...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikew0805 Posted June 29, 2013 #237 Share Posted June 29, 2013 up to 400 people out of 3, 4, 5000 isn't a lot. I don't really get the obsession people have with what other people do or what the crew makes. If the cruise line really wanted to stop it they could simply make it a non removable service charge but clearly they want to leave it up to the discretion of each guest. And per your own post, they said more people pay now than before. Unless it becomes mandatory there will always be people that remove tips. That is the risk you take when accepting a tipped position. No different that a server at your local restaurant. Every table does not tip. It's just the way it works. It's not my business how other people chose to spend their money. like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted June 29, 2013 #238 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Up to 400 people out of 3, 4, 5000 isn't a lot. I don't really get the obsession people have with what other people do or what the crew makes. If the cruise line really wanted to stop it they could simply make it a non removable service charge but clearly they want to leave it up to the discretion of each guest. And per your own post, they said more people pay now than before. Unless it becomes mandatory there will always be people that remove tips. That is the risk you take when accepting a tipped position. No different that a server at your local restaurant. Every table does not tip. It's just the way it works. It's not my business how other people chose to spend their money. BeachChik, you're my hero today. Between this and your post on the sanitizer thread, I applaud you. Kudos. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuizer2 Posted June 29, 2013 #239 Share Posted June 29, 2013 My buddy is on the AOS at the moment and has a friend in GS. On the current AOS sailing at 11.59pm last night (9 days into the 12 day cruise) 124 people (not staterooms) had asked for all gratuities to be removed from their Seapass accounts. His friend at GS said they also expect more people to request this tommorrow (the last day before disembarkation) as people tend to do it last minute as they assume their stateroom attendant/waiter/asst waiter won't find out (that's shocking and dishonest !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - that makes my blood boil :mad:) Interestingly she did say that despite this happening with sometimes up to 400 passengers per cruise, there are now a lot more gratuities being paid than under the old system. Many more people would not pre-pay gratuities and then not pay anything in cash while on the cruise under the old way of administering gratuities. She said the worst cruises for this used to be the 6 day Caribbean sailings. WOW ! :eek: If the cruise lines would just include the gratuities in the price of the cruise (as some do) this would no longer be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted June 29, 2013 #240 Share Posted June 29, 2013 If the cruise lines would just include the gratuities in the price of the cruise (as some do) this would no longer be a problem. It seems to be more of a problem on Cruise Critic than in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuizer2 Posted June 29, 2013 #241 Share Posted June 29, 2013 It seems to be more of a problem on Cruise Critic than in real life. You may be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeachChik Posted June 30, 2013 #242 Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) BeachChik, you're my hero today. Between this and your post on the sanitizer thread, I applaud you. Kudos. :) Haha! :) my hubby would say I just cant not debate when I feel people are incorrect. Edited June 30, 2013 by BeachChik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzyed Posted June 30, 2013 #243 Share Posted June 30, 2013 It seems to be more of a problem on Cruise Critic than in real life. True enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Chew Posted June 30, 2013 #244 Share Posted June 30, 2013 It seems to be more of a problem on Cruise Critic than in real life. there are many things that are more of a problem on Cruise Critic than they are in real life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUISEFAN0001 Posted June 30, 2013 #245 Share Posted June 30, 2013 It seems to be more of a problem on Cruise Critic than in real life. Amen. We'll have our Gratuities prepaid on the next 2 cruises, and have no intention whatsoever to recind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awhcruiser Posted June 30, 2013 #246 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Like! Amen. We'll have our Gratuities prepaid on the next 2 cruises, and have no intention whatsoever to recind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticktoneer Posted June 30, 2013 Author #247 Share Posted June 30, 2013 there are many things that are more of a problem on Cruise Critic than they are in real life! So true !! So true !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwcruisers Posted June 30, 2013 #248 Share Posted June 30, 2013 there are many things that are more of a problem on Cruise Critic than they are in real life! LOL -- SO true! For example, you rarely hear people complaining about chair hogs at work! :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveru621 Posted June 30, 2013 #249 Share Posted June 30, 2013 If the cruise lines would just include the gratuities in the price of the cruise (as some do) this would no longer be a problem. Maybe for you. I like things just as they are. Beachchik is also my hero. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSeuss Posted June 30, 2013 #250 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Amen. We'll have our Gratuities prepaid on the next 2 cruises, and have no intention whatsoever to recind them. So just to clarify if for example you recieve poor service from your cabin attendant for example (no compass delivered, bins not emptied, towels not replaced, dirty things from last guest, hardly saw them to mention these things) you would still reward that lack of service with a tip? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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