2 rapes per ship per month on royal caribbean

[pokyd]

I did not see the report but from past experience with other stories, just because they spotlighted RCI meant they had info on it but didn't bother to get the info on the other lines. They just decided to sensationalize what they DID have. Very typical for the media these days. You really have to take it with a VERY LARGE grain of salt. I refuse to think that RCI is any worse (or better!) than any other cruise line as far as safety & security. They all do a pretty good job, IMHO. But people still have to be personally responsible for their own behavior.

 

What are you going to do, stay at home instead of going to any tourist resort? All hotels etc. have crime happen at them but it doesn't usually make it to the media so you never know about it. You think the Las Vegas casinos/hotels are crime-free???

 

Would you stay away from Aruba because one teenage girl made some bad choices which she apparently paid dearly for...?

 

Using common sense (and little alcohol) usually keeps people safe.

[wallie5446]

My DD used to be on Staff on the Majesty, then the Monarch last year. These do the 3/4 day booze cruises, and this is a bunch of bull. She said nothing like this ever happened on either Ship she was assigned to.

[leahjade]

Wow, I'm glad this thread wasn't around before we booked our cruise!! We just got back last week from the Empress and I didn't see any drunk kids at all. The few drunk patrons I saw were all well over 21, proving that bad behaviors occurs in all age groups. As far as the staff flirting with the young teenagers - they really did flirt with my 3 girls, but I just saw that as a way for them to get bigger tips. If the kids are having fun, they figure Mom and Dad will be happier and tip better. I did NOT let my girls run around on the ship alone at any time - they had to all go together or in pairs, and that was only for a short period of time. Just as I would not let them run around alone in a large hotel or theme park either. As a previous poster stated, any time you have 2000-3000 people in one location, you're bound to have some negative behavior. And like my daughter said "that's like a large high school, mom, and you know what can go on there in a week's time!"

[slotaddict]

I'm sorry, I am no apologist for Royal Caribbean, but that is the most absurd statistic I have ever heard. FOX NEWS???? Not ANYONE INTELLIGENT'S idea of a "good news source."

 

What makes you think you are so intelligent? I consider myself a reasonably intelligent person, I watch Fox news and happen to like it. What is the intelligent news station to watch? Please tell me. As for the crime on cruise ships, it happens, I recall years ago a woman from NJ left her husband for an employee of Celebrity Cruiseline, she went to Greece and decided she no longer wanted to be with him, tried to leave and he cut her head off. My point is that it doesn;t matter what ship you are on, you must be mindful of your surroundings, and if you have teenage children, keep your eye on them. Fox News Report would not make me stop cruising RCL or any cruise line for that matter.

[slotaddict]

I like the Fox News channel but thought this story was bogus.

 

You and I are obviously not very intelligent.:mad:

[imsulin]

He cut her head off in Greece?? Wow...I missed that one!

[slotaddict]

Yes, she was from NJ so it was big news around here. Its a shame people do not know what they are getting into when they hook up with strangers of different cultures. Perhaps someone else out there remembers this story. I'm sure there are alot of storys out there that many of us do not know.

[caviargal]

Yes, she was from NJ so it was big news around here. Its a shame people do not know what they are getting into when they hook up with strangers of different cultures. Perhaps someone else out there remembers this story. I'm sure there are alot of storys out there that many of us do not know.

 

 

I think that hooking up with strangers after partying all night is unwise, period. The "culture" of the stranger has nothing to do with it.

[justaknucklehead]

I remember that story slotaddict and you are right. It had nothing to do with the cruiseline and everything to do with the people involved.

[smoothsailing2005]

Because you hear a report on FOX News, that makes it true? Come on...look at who they're interviewing. The lawyers that sue the cruise lines all the time and a bunch of morons who don't know anything about cruising, the cruise lines or the specifics about any case.

[herecomesthesun]

I'm sorry to sound callous, but bad things happen all the time, everywhere. News sources can sensationalize "facts" to make a better story, so take what you hear with a grain of salt. This goes for all news sources, not just FOX or anything else. Because there has unfortunately been crime on RCCL does not keep me from cruising with them, just as I don't let the crime in my hometown keep me from going out at night. I am just very cautious and responsible. You can't let the evil of the world scare you away from living life.

[dei6360]

Why is this so hard to belive?

 

From rainn.org (Rape, Abuse & Incest national Network.org)

 

Every two minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted.

 

Here is the link on how they came up with that number.

 

http://www.rainn.org/every2minutes.html

 

Everybody needs to be aware that they could fall victim to a crime at any moment. This is true for Females and Males.

 

The best offense is a good defense. NEVER walk alone ANY WARE late at night, especially if you have been drinking. Treat a cruise ship just like any other strange place you would visit. The natives (crew)know all the short cuts (crew only places).

 

What could be the most important information -- Always be aware of your soundings.

[logan1_2000]

"I think that a ship is as safe as any other environment; no more, no less. You can't board a ship assuming that all of the other 4,500 or so people on board are all Snow White and Prince Charming."

 

And another respondent mentioned that people have the "Disney Syndrome".

 

As my signature shows, I've cruised 4 times with Disney, where Snow White and Prince Charming really are on board! And even though I find their ships to be as perfectly safe as I am going to find in an imperfect world, over at DCL's extremely active discussion boards there is no shortage of protective parents who go on and on about sexual predators lurking everywhere including apparently around the corner from Cinderella's photo appearance in the ship's atrium...and then they call me a bad parent when I reply that I feel safe letting my son go from point A to point B unescorted when I know the destination and know he knows his way around their ships.

 

More people getting murdered in ATL than getting assaulted on cruise ships, but I do leave my house. I survived 3 years in new orleans during law school (okay, I did get jumped there once, and i wasn't even in the wrong place, just the cracked up teens had wandered up to spread their "joy" to a good, well lit, well populated area of the Garden District right on St. Charles), and that place is practically a lawless banana republic nation ruled by crime & corruption (but still a nice place to visit!!).

 

I think some valid stats have been presented in this thread. And no, a cruise ship isn't like any place else. No homeless vagrants wandering about. Everyone went through a metal detector. Crew Members typically have some contact w/ other crew or supervision regularly, so can we say most are not presently dangerous, and since they live in close quarters maybe a little more accountable than the counter server at mcdonalds? Every passenger had to come up with some cruise fare amount--not saying $ makes a better class of people, but dont some stats on violent crime follow some correlation to some form of economic circumstances?

 

I just think if someone truly believes the ships are so dangerous, then that person might find better happiness elsewhere. I dont vacation in the middle east although I have friends who still visit there. I dont go to bad neighborhoods in my own town. I make sure my son knows where I am, what to do if we get separated, and whom to go to for help and how to identify that person. and what to do if someone he does not know approaches him. Possible for all those things to fail and the worst to happen? Sadly, yes. But I do think I've worked my odds down to where it is not practical to dwell on it.

 

Oh. Was amused by the part of the thread about how young girls dress. I like hot looking women as much as the next red blooded american man, but the operative word is women--girls are people who I consider for babysitting, and when their underwear is showing, or they really are dressing in a sexually inappropriate way, then they are not my choice for babysitter for my son. But they are only asking to be grounded or reprimanded--and that is the only thing they are "asking for".

[The Admiral]

They said two sexual assaults a month per ship, not rapes, for whatever that's worth. They also never stated who was committing these sexual assaults. They never said it was the ships personnel. As for the missing honeymooner: I find it interesting that the wife is nowhere to be found. I know if it was my spouse I would be all over TV demanding justice.

 

 

SEXUAL ASSAULTS are RAPE its just a legal and more politically correct way of saying Rape....

 

Also it doesnt matter if these alleged Rapes/sexual assaults are committed by crew or passengers, you can never look out for every sicko out there but once a rape, murder, roberry takes plaec there has to be proper law enforcement and detention (of suspect) proceedures in place.

[The Admiral]

SEXUAL ASSAULTS are RAPE its just a legal and more politically correct way of saying Rape....

 

Also it doesnt matter if these alleged Rapes/sexual assaults are committed by crew or passengers, you can never look out for every sicko out there but once a rape, murder, roberry takes plaec there has to be proper law enforcement and detention (of suspect) proceedures in place.

 

OK let me correct myself: maybe, depending on which defenition you are looking at a Saxual Assault can be physical contact but not be a full flege Rape. However, I think we are all missing the original poster's point. Whether its a rape, pinching someones butt or grabbing a breast these ARE ALL INNAPROPRIATE, INEXCUSABLE and ILLEGAL!!!!

 

The point is that even one assault is one too many, wether its 2 a month or 2 a year.

 

The greater point is that yes, you cannot stop all crime everywhere but the BIG problem with all of these lines, and on this point I agree that RCI is being unfairly singled out, is that once you report any criminal incident you should expect a criminal investigation and charges or consequences for the offender not simply a free pass home.

 

Yes you can get assaulted on land but for the most part, in most countries, you get to file charges and have your case investigated and prosecuted...not always the case at sea....

[wolfganghowell]

Wow - I go on vacation for a few days and missed all this.

 

People are responsible for their own actions.

Holding RCCL or any cruise line liable for people's behavior is impossible at best.

Good sense should not only be a land based option.

Children should dress like children and if they are under the age of consent and parents are still buying those clothes, the parents are responsible for clothing them appropriately.

Stranger danger applies on water too.

The truth in the news media lies somewhere between FOX and CNN.

 

Man, I was on a roll there.....

[Merion_Mom]

Good sense should not only be a land based option.

 

Wow! That is a GOOD ONE, Wolfie.

 

Every passenger had to come up with some cruise fare amount--not saying $ makes a better class of people, but dont some stats on violent crime follow some correlation to some form of economic circumstances?

You are putting all forms of violent crime into one category when discussing this aspect. Sexually based crime does NOT tend to be economically-correlated.

[Cruise Craver]

SEXUAL ASSAULTS are RAPE its just a legal and more politically correct way of saying Rape....

Actually this is incorrect. Sexual assault is any assault of a sexual nature. This includes inappropriate touching or agressive behavior of a sexual nature. There are many, many things that are considered sexual assaults but are not rape. For example, If someone has their privates grabbed by some else, that is a sexual assault.

[Boatdrill]

Just finished watching a news program on fox news reporting that Royal Caribbean ships have 2 unprosecuted rapes per ship per month.

 

That is outrageous that you would repeat an allegation like that on this board without qualifying it. Was it passenger/passenger ? Or crew/crew ?

Or the more unlikely crew/passenger, or the even more unlikely passenger/crew ?

 

Let me guess. Passenger/passenger. Yep....that sounds about right. An all ship charter on another cruise line for a poker tournament resulted in numerous charges of sexual assault among passengers, as well as damage to the interior of the ship (which was less than a year old) by drunk/disorderly passengers. When the ship returned to port at the end of the 7 day charter, police were waiting to arrest at least 4 passengers for drug possesion. And this was on a "high end' cruise line. Oh, and by the way...during embarkation for that charter, port security confiscated weapons found in carry-on bags as they went through the x-ray machine.

 

Not convinced yet ? How about cruiselines that allow 3 or 4 male and female young adult passengers under 21 to all share a room when they aren't related ? And their parents aren't traveling with them ?

 

Yes I know some crew flirt with passengers. If it's out of line, contact security or the department head of the area where the crewmember works, or the hotel director. Not good enough ? Then send a note to the Staff Captain. Don't bother the Purser's, it's not their job.

[smeyer418]

I guess that this means no Kennedy can cruise. Economically related? boy that may be the prejudiced comment I ever read...

[TheWog]

Good sense should not only be a land based option.

 

You can get it as an excursion though -- 60 days prior to sailing... :D

[blackbird71]

Fox News is a joke...

 

If you want some info check out http://www.cruisejunkie.com/

 

He was almost everything that happens on a cruise ship reported.

[LonW]

Actually this is incorrect. Sexual assault is any assault of a sexual nature. This includes inappropriate touching or agressive behavior of a sexual nature. There are many, many things that are considered sexual assaults but are not rape. For example, If someone has their privates grabbed by some else, that is a sexual assault.

 

You are correct!

Rape: The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.

Sexual assault: Conduct of a sexual or indecent nature toward another person that is accompanied by actual or threatened physical force or that induces fear, shame, or mental suffering.

 

Where the confusion comes is because of this:

Sexual assault n : a statutory offense that provides that it is a crime to knowingly cause another person to engage in an unwanted sexual act by force or threat; "most states have replaced the common law definition of rape with statutes defining sexual assault" [syn: sexual abuse, sex crime, sex offense]

Now can we let this topic die?

[BADBUOY]

I thought the rape the OP was referring to was the one felt as you exited Johnny Rockets.

[LonW]

I thought the rape the OP was referring to was the one felt as you exited Johnny Rockets.

 

Good one Badbuoy!!:D