Shorts in Dining room for breakfast and lunch?

[Wer2pats]

I had read on this board that HAL was considering not letting folks wear shorts to breakfast and lunch in the dining room. Does anyone know if this has been initiated as yet?

[hotspur]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wer2pats:
I had read on this board that HAL was considering not letting folks wear shorts to breakfast and lunch in the dining room. Does anyone know if this has been initiated as yet?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
People were wearing shorts in the Maasdam dining room at both breakfast and lunch last week. I can't believe HAL would be that dumb...but you never know.

[sail7seas]

Instead of being "that dumb".....do you suppose it is possible they got sick of seeing ill-mannered men in hero t-shirts with their hair hanging out all over the place sitting themselves down at the breakfast table all hot and dirty from just working out? (And women dressed just as disrespectfully.) Yes....we have seen that happen. I certainly would not care to be seated at or near his table.

Maybe they are attempting to have folks coming to the dining room be respectful of other around them?

I happen to think they should allow shorts and decent condition t-shirts for breakfast and lunch in the dining room...particularly in the Caribbean. I do hope they turn away people who are dressed so disrespectfully it would make others uncomfortable.

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[Krazy Kruizers]

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We can't immagine HAL stopping people from wearing nice shorts, etc to the dining room for breakfast and lunch - but anything can happen.

In the Caribbean, Panama Canal, and Mediterranean, many people will be going on tours and won't have the time to change clothes.

If such a rule were enforced, that would make for a very crowded Lido.

Also, can't see how HAL will enforce the rule as they haven't been able to stop people from wearing shorts to dinner in the main dining room.

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[dst]

WELL SAID 7seas; I would hope they woudl not tell all of us that shorts are not allowed bacause of a few idiots! Being in the Caribbean I would not want to have to wear long pants to breakfast or lunch!

[jhannah]

Wer2pats, do you recall where the poster got that information?

'Vegas Jim

[Bill S]

s7s: I totally agree with you, but I bet that each dining room maitr'd has their own subjective standard of what is acceptable and what is not. Guests who wear tank tops and gym shorts to the main DR obviously think such is acceptable attire. Therein lies the rub, IMHO. How does a maitr'd defend letting guests dressed in decent attire into the DR and then turn away someone who has just left the gym or pool. I imagine that HAL or the HM or Capt just made it easier for the maitr'd, and banned all shorts.

I don't know for sure that such is the reason for a "no shorts" policy, just guessing. With respect to HAL's dress suggestions, I think they need to study up on the factors of human behavior. I was at a customer relations training session last week and the trainer's outline contained this gem of wisdom:

"All people are motivated and people do things for their reasons, not yours." (or HAL's)

IMO, HAL needs to work on creating an atmosphere where guests are self-motivated to honor HAL's suggested dress code. Until then, if ever, we will have to endure arbitrary policies and/or arbitrary enforcement of suggested attire. Having said all this, I still have had and intend to have a great time on our cruises!

Bill S
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[Guest Anorak33]

On our recent Statendam cruise from Seward to Vancouver I saw one gent about 60 years of age turned away from the dining room at breakfast on the first morning as he was wearing shorts.
Cannot say I ever saw anyone in the dining room wearing shorts otherwise but I wasn't really looking at what they were wearing.
Breakfast was better in the Lido anyway except no Eggs Benedict.

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[GAndie]

I don't think HAL would stop anyone from wearing shorts in the DR for lunch or breakfast especially if they're in port. Too many people want to have breakfast before they have to meet to go to shore and the same goes for lunch.

There's no excuse for not dressing properly at dinner in the dining room.

I know there are people who say they're on vacation and shouldn't have to dress at all, well, that's all well and good and one should dress appropriately for their vacation. I wouldn't wear a tux or gown on a camping/fishing trip,and I wouldn't wear shorts to a prom or formal wedding either, nor would I wear shorts or jeans on formal night on any cruise ship that has dress codes for different nights.

[gizmo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jhannah:
Wer2pats, do you recall where the poster got that information?
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Someone who just returned from the Statendam posted this not that long ago. There were a couple of threads on the subject.
There have been no reports on this subject since that particular cruise.

[hotspur]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sail7seas:
I happen to think they should allow shorts and decent condition t-shirts for breakfast and lunch in the dining room...particularly in the Caribbean.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Exactly right. Shorts should be perfectly acceptable attire at those meals. Ever been to Bermuda?

I'd be on the phone to Seattle in a heartbeat if someone tried to turn me away from the dining room at breakfast or lunch because I was wearing Bermudas.

[gilligan6143]

A sizable number of guests on the 6/5 Zuiderdam sailing wore respectable shorts to breakfast and lunch, including myself. HAL signage at the door indicated no tank tops or swimwear.

I did see some surprises at the new 3:15pm Dessert Extravaganza (moved from late night to afternoon). A few folks arriving dripping wet from the pool with shorts and t's over their swimsuit. A few sweaty and oily folks -- I assume things dried out by the time the formal night diners arrived for the 6pm seating. HAL did make an attempt to refuse the worse. Amazing how put out some of these folks were -- but I sincerely do not beleive they would have gone to a local sitdown diner in their home neighborhood dressed the way they were.

Somewhere there is a line between casual vacation clothing and inappropriate.

I suspect HAL will move this back to late night, or perhaps deliver some desserts poolside, to avoid this situation.

[superstein61]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gilligan6143:
A sizable number of guests on the 6/5 Zuiderdam sailing wore respectable shorts to breakfast and lunch, including myself. HAL signage at the door indicated no tank tops or swimwear.

I did see some surprises at the new 3:15pm Dessert Extravaganza (moved from late night to afternoon). A few folks arriving dripping wet from the pool with shorts and t's over their swimsuit. A few sweaty and oily folks -- I assume things dried out by the time the formal night diners arrived for the 6pm seating. HAL did make an attempt to refuse the worse. Amazing how put out some of these folks were -- but I sincerely do not beleive they would have gone to a local sitdown diner in their home neighborhood dressed the way they were.

Somewhere there is a line between casual vacation clothing and inappropriate.

I suspect HAL will move this back to late night, or perhaps deliver some desserts poolside, to avoid this situation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quite frankly, a 3:15 dessert extravaganza seems silly and invites this behavior. HAL should move it back to late night as in the past

[gizmo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by superstein61:
Quite frankly, a 3:15 dessert extravaganza seems silly and invites this behavior. HAL should move it back to late night as in the past<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree 100% with this comment. From what I have read it appears the afternoon extravaganza is nothing like the one at night.

[Joedog]

So I am reading this thread and it seems everyone is talking about shorts for men only. If there was a "no shorts" policy for lunch and breakfast wouldn't that also apply to women?

If not, why not?

The whole thing seems silly to me. There is nothing wrong with people eating breakfast and lunch in shorts and no one should be offended by it. Especially in hot climates.

That is not to say that people should have to sit next to others that just came from the gym or some other place and are sweating and smelly.

Some people are inconsiderate and will come to breakfast or lunch sweaty and smelly and that is sad but is the answer to a few bad mannered peoples actions to restrict others and make them dress uncomfortably?

That is the kind of thing that is slowly eroding away our freedom.

Just my thoughts,

Ruth and Joe


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[Wer2pats]

I cannot say for sure in what context this subject was mentioned re: no shorts in the dining room but I think it was about the time of the new tipping policy went into effect. I had not been on this board for awhile and was very surprised to read it. How factual, I don't know. It would not be very practical but if a lot of people continue to come to the dining room from the pool and from workouts--maybe that is the reason for the change or talk of it. I sure hope it isn't so!

Pat

[kruzkeen]

I am told that on ships sailing to Alaska this season a folder entitled 'you need to know' is given to passengers enbarking.

The following is quoted from it:
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Dress

Your Daily Program will contain a notice of the dress request for each evening. Shorts, tank tops, swimwear and workout attire are not permitted in the Dining Room or Pinnacle Grill at any time, or in the Main Show Lounge after 6:00 pm. On formal and informal evenings, jackets are required for men in the Pinnacle Grill.

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Granted there is a difference between Bermudas or walking shorts and workout shorts or swim wear.

I do not know if some shorts are permitted and others are not and if this dress requirement is enforced.

[Somewhere]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> That is the kind of thing that is slowly eroding away our freedom. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>They'll be burning "Know Before You Go" next.

[PoohUnderstands]

Just back from the "Z" and we ate lunch in the dining room as I found food to be better than the Lido! Anyway, wore, what I would call golfing shorts and tops(both myself and DH) and there was no problem. Just no obvious bathing suit coverups over obvious bathing suits in the dining room.

[Wer2pats]

Seems as if they really need to clarify all these new regs. I still don't know if we can wear shorts to the dining room in November on the Veendam. If I called them they would probably tell me they don't know. Guess I will just keep waiting until it is a positive thing with a definition of just what are classified as "shorts."

Pat

[Orcrone]

What started this off on a different thread was that the maitre'd did not allow shorts on one ship. I believe that was the maitre'd setting the policy. If you look on the HAL website it says:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> First and foremost, dress for comfort. Daily life aboard ship and in ports of call is laid-back and casual. We encourage you to wear whatever makes you feel most comfortable-sportswear, shorts, sundresses, slacks, and so on. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It then continues on to say:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> We ask that you wear shoes and a cover-up over a bathing suit when walking through the interior of the ship. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No where does it specifically state a dress code for the DRs during the day and the first statement seems to state that shorts are acceptable.

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Till sailing on the Maasdam

[dst]

This will be interesting, we are on the Zuiderdam in July and I have every intention on wearing shorts in the dining room at breakfast and lunch. I dress accordingly at dinner but I think to expect anything other than shorts during the day when you are suppose to be relaxing is rediculous! I guess I will let you all know if I get thrown off the boat [img]http://messages.cruisecritic.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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[CINCY40]

dst...

We had heard about the Statendam/shorts issue and when we were on the Zuiderdam last month, we asked the hotel manager about shorts in the dining room for breakfast and lunch. He said absolutely no problem and he did not anticipate any changes in the future.

Nancy

[kruzkeen]

There are two things that will be interesting to know:

1.The 'no shorts' policy has been announced to passengers going on Alaska cruises regardless of what the web site states and it is not the whim of one ship. Question, is it being enforced? We will need feedback from those who have sailed to Alaska ths season.

2. Is this policy only for Alaska? From one posting above it would seem not so for the Caribbean. What about Mexico or Hawaii?

[dst]

Thanks Nancy: maybe I should get your phone number so when they lock me up you'll be my "one call"
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To make myself feel better I just called HAL and asked; they said no shorts in the evening in the dining room but definately allowed during breakfast and dinner. I think what they are trying to say is that people need to dress appropriately! Now that makes sense.......

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