Cruachan Posted October 19, 2014 #126 Share Posted October 19, 2014 :D I repeat what I said: Just laugh about it as I do about the Warholian 15 minutes. Who said I wasn't laughing about it - I am sitting here falling out of my chair and barfing coffee all over my keyboard even as we speak. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkiC Posted October 19, 2014 #127 Share Posted October 19, 2014 According to several reports, a US Coast Guard helicopter flew to the Carnival Magic ship this afternoon to obtain blood samples from the reportedly symptom-free health care worker on board who might have been exposed to lab specimens from a deceased Ebola patient in the hospital in Dallas. M/S Magic is scheduled to dock in Port Galveston on Sunday morning (19 Oct.) Wonderful, they get the blood sample, after the incubation period has passed, to confirm that the she is Ebola-free. Actually it really is an intelligent move to get a blood sample so they can PROVE that she didn't have, doesn't have, Ebola, because it will help stem the craziness. Today, for instance, I was talking on the phone to a friend who told me that they couldn't schedule a flight because of the Ebola scare. Really? I told her that her chances of winning the lottery three weeks in a row were better than her chances of catching Ebola on an airplane. How many of you know, or have met, someone who has, or has died from, AIDS? If you fly often, it is a safe bet that you have flown with someone infected with AIDS. I say AIDS because it is transmitted is pretty much the same way as Ebola. Do you worry about catching AIDS? How many of you personally know, or have met someone who has, or has died from, Ebola? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cats2010 Posted October 19, 2014 #128 Share Posted October 19, 2014 How many of you personally know, or have met someone who has, or has died from, Ebola? The point is how many have died or have been infected by Ebola and not how many of this forum have known or met somebody who has did from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadOfToadHall Posted October 19, 2014 #129 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I say AIDS because it is transmitted is pretty much the same way as Ebola. You don't have a clue, do you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI66774 Posted October 19, 2014 #130 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Wonderful, they get the blood sample, after the incubation period has passed, to confirm that the she is Ebola-free. Actually it really is an intelligent move to get a blood sample so they can PROVE that she didn't have, doesn't have, Ebola, because it will help stem the craziness. Today, for instance, I was talking on the phone to a friend who told me that they couldn't schedule a flight because of the Ebola scare. Really? I told her that her chances of winning the lottery three weeks in a row were better than her chances of catching Ebola on an airplane. How many of you know, or have met, someone who has, or has died from, AIDS? If you fly often, it is a safe bet that you have flown with someone infected with AIDS. I say AIDS because it is transmitted is pretty much the same way as Ebola. Do you worry about catching AIDS? How many of you personally know, or have met someone who has, or has died from, Ebola? Actually AIDS is more difficult to transmit than Ebola. HIV is not found in vomit, saliva, feces, etc. Ebola virus is found in vomit, saliva, feces, etc. AIDS is, primarily, a sexually transmitted disease. Of course, people can get AIDS from blood transfusions, dirty needles, etc., but most people who have died have acquired it through sexual activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkiC Posted October 19, 2014 #131 Share Posted October 19, 2014 You don't have a clue, do you ? A clue about what? Both AIDS and Ebola are transmitted by contact with bodily fluids containing the virus: "But in Ebola's case, the mode of transmission probably helps keep its R0 low. Ebola isn't spread through the air, like the measles or flu. It requires close contact with some bodily fluid, such as blood or vomit, containing the virus." A person with Ebola, however, will on average only infect two other people, whereas a person with HIV will, on average, infect four. See: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola As predicted, the whole Carnival incident has turned out to be much ado about nothing. A huge waste of time, energy and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadOfToadHall Posted October 19, 2014 #132 Share Posted October 19, 2014 AIDS is spread through sexual activity and by the sharing of needles. Ebola is spread through simply coming into contact with bodily fluids (vomit etc). You can't catch AIDS simply by coming into contact, with, for example, vomit, feces etc. So it's a very different method of transmission. It would be relatively easy to contract Ebola, but relatively hard to contract AIDS. Here's two web sites if you are struggling to understand the differences in transmission: http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/ebola-virus/Pages/how-it-spreads.aspx http://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/hiv-aids-101/how-you-get-hiv-aids/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balf Posted October 19, 2014 #133 Share Posted October 19, 2014 A clue about what? Both AIDS and Ebola are transmitted by contact with bodily fluids containing the virus: "But in Ebola's case, the mode of transmission probably helps keep its R0 low. Ebola isn't spread through the air, like the measles or flu. It requires close contact with some bodily fluid, such as blood or vomit, containing the virus." A person with Ebola, however, will on average only infect two other people, whereas a person with HIV will, on average, infect four. See: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola As predicted, the whole Carnival incident has turned out to be much ado about nothing. A huge waste of time, energy and money. No, you really don't have a clue. Years ago Princess Diana demonstrated to all the ignorant that you don't get AIDS by touching a sufferer(she pointedly shook hands and chatted with them. I don't need to detail it. Look it up there's lots on the web. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruachan Posted October 19, 2014 #134 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Wonderful, they get the blood sample, after the incubation period has passed, to confirm that the she is Ebola-free. Actually it really is an intelligent move to get a blood sample so they can PROVE that she didn't have, doesn't have, Ebola, because it will help stem the craziness. Today, for instance, I was talking on the phone to a friend who told me that they couldn't schedule a flight because of the Ebola scare. Really? I told her that her chances of winning the lottery three weeks in a row were better than her chances of catching Ebola on an airplane. How many of you know, or have met, someone who has, or has died from, AIDS? If you fly often, it is a safe bet that you have flown with someone infected with AIDS. I say AIDS because it is transmitted is pretty much the same way as Ebola. Do you worry about catching AIDS? How many of you personally know, or have met someone who has, or has died from, Ebola? They are now reporting that the blood test was negative. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cats2010 Posted October 19, 2014 #135 Share Posted October 19, 2014 They are now reporting that the blood test was negative. J ... and now she will come back and say that it all was a waste of time, energy and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkiC Posted October 19, 2014 #136 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I don't maintain, and have never maintained, that Ebola and AIDS are identical, only that they are both transmitted through bodily fluids, and that it is unlikely that you are going to catch either one on an airplane or a cruise ship. The chances of getting killed driving to the airport or ship terminal are far higher than the chances of getting Ebola once you board a plane or a ship. If, however, folks want to worry about it, they most certainly are entitled to do so, just as I am entitled to think such worry is silly. I am not saying throw caution to the wind, but seriously one and only one person in the USA has died of Ebola, and the only two people who have contracted Ebola in the US were hospital staff who treated that person. Duncan (the Ebola patient who has died) had previously spent four days interacting with other people outside the hospital, while he had active symptoms, before he was admitted to the hospital. Today ends their incubation period and none of them have any symptoms of the disease. The two nurses who contracted Ebola are getting excellent medical care and are doing well. I pray for both of them and their families. Since Duncan was admitted to the hospital, over 1,800 people in the USA have died in vehicle accidents and I don't believe any have died on airplanes or cruise ships, other than from natural causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadOfToadHall Posted October 19, 2014 #137 Share Posted October 19, 2014 ... and now she will come back and say that it all was a waste of time, energy and money. Well, yes. If the was negative then it must have been a waste of time and money. Clearly. Oh, hang on..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadOfToadHall Posted October 19, 2014 #138 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I don't maintain, and have never maintained, that Ebola and AIDS are identical I can't image where I got the impression that you did. Oh, hang on, was it ? I say AIDS because it is transmitted is pretty much the same way as Ebola. Yes, that would be it. I've made the same mistake again as I did on your thread about people in the UK not accepting the Euro. I've foolishly read what you're written and assumed (stupidly) that's what you meant. You see, the problem with claiming you never said something, when in fact you clearly did, is that on a forum, all your previous comments are recorded for all to read. It makes back peddling quite difficult, but you still attempt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkiC Posted October 19, 2014 #139 Share Posted October 19, 2014 "Identical" and "pretty much" are not identical, at least not in the USA. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadOfToadHall Posted October 19, 2014 #140 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) "Identical" and "pretty much" are not identical, at least not in the USA. :p Yet again you are using semantics to try and justify what you did and did not say. And AIDS is not transmitted "pretty much" the same as Ebola. Edited October 19, 2014 by ToadOfToadHall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacia Posted October 19, 2014 #141 Share Posted October 19, 2014 A clue about what? Both AIDS and Ebola are transmitted by contact with bodily fluids containing the virus: "But in Ebola's case, the mode of transmission probably helps keep its R0 low. Ebola isn't spread through the air, like the measles or flu. It requires close contact with some bodily fluid, such as blood or vomit, containing the virus." A person with Ebola, however, will on average only infect two other people, whereas a person with HIV will, on average, infect four. See: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/02/352983774/no-seriously-how-contagious-is-ebola As predicted, the whole Carnival incident has turned out to be much ado about nothing. A huge waste of time, energy and money. PunkiC, Read the last line in the article you quoted: "So even though they have similar R0s, Ebola's infections per unit of time is much higher than HIV's". Because the lab worker thankfully tested negative for the virus, it can be argued by some that the "incident" was "a huge waste of time, energy and money". However, had the test result been positive, the reaction obviously would have been entirely different. Of course, if the lab worker had been told not to get on a cruise ship (or any form of public transportation) until 21 days after possible exposure to Ebola, there would have been no "incident". -S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacia Posted October 20, 2014 #142 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Regarding the Carnival Magic "incident", what I'm having trouble understanding why the US Department of State got into such a dust up with the authorities in Belize and Cozumel. It was reported that the passenger showed no symptoms while on board, so why was the US Government and Carnival so anxious to off-load her? Since the passenger in question was reported as showing no symptoms, why was a US Coast Guard helicopter flown to the ship to pick up her blood specimens when health authorities have told us that unless symptoms are shown, the virus load is undetectable in blood samples? (Nothing was mentioned about her cabin mate's condition.) So how pointless was it to send in a chopper to collect samples that could be obtained a few hours later when the ship was within distance of the port? Edited October 20, 2014 by Salacia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cats2010 Posted October 20, 2014 #143 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Regarding the Carnival Magic "incident", what I'm having trouble understanding why the US Department of State got into such a dust up with the authorities in Belize and Cozumel. It was reported that the passenger showed no symptoms while on board, so why was the US Government and Carnival so anxious to off-load her? Since the passenger in question was reported as showing no symptoms, why was a US Coast Guard helicopter flown to the ship to pick up her blood specimens when health authorities have told us that unless symptoms are shown, the virus load is undetectable in blood samples? (Nothing was mentioned about her cabin mate's condition.) So how pointless was it to send in a chopper to collect samples that could be obtained a few hours later when the ship was within distance of the port? As to Belize and Cozumel: Both of them were most probably concerned because they do not have neither the infrastructure nor the medicine to combat the infection so as to be on the safe side and prevent possible negative consequences on their people and, in addition, they have their own legislation and don't want to accept other countries' rules - I guess. What could be is a second blood test to be on the safe side, which is quite common in important medical cases, and in this particular one the time factor also plays a role - I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balf Posted October 20, 2014 #144 Share Posted October 20, 2014 i think most of us are not panicking at all. Are you sure? http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/share/uuid/93d5f246-57b6-11e4-8d8a-fe9641d0b953 David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnpugwash Posted October 20, 2014 #145 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Are you sure? http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/share/uuid/93d5f246-57b6-11e4-8d8a-fe9641d0b953 David. Always rely on a well considered response from the Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underwatr Posted October 20, 2014 #146 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Regarding the Carnival Magic "incident", what I'm having trouble understanding why the US Department of State got into such a dust up with the authorities in Belize and Cozumel. It was reported that the passenger showed no symptoms while on board, so why was the US Government and Carnival so anxious to off-load her? Since the passenger in question was reported as showing no symptoms, why was a US Coast Guard helicopter flown to the ship to pick up her blood specimens when health authorities have told us that unless symptoms are shown, the virus load is undetectable in blood samples? (Nothing was mentioned about her cabin mate's condition.) So how pointless was it to send in a chopper to collect samples that could be obtained a few hours later when the ship was within distance of the port? After the messup in Dallas the CDC's approach has changed to doing anything that might be prudent for the 99.999% case. Always the most cautious action, never do just A when A, B and C wouldn't might conceivably be what someone would later think you should have done. I think they're reacting to public scrutiny and it's confusing to those who recognized why they weren't this extreme at the outset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDBINK1 Posted October 20, 2014 #147 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Regarding the Carnival Magic "incident", what I'm having trouble understanding why the US Department of State got into such a dust up with the authorities in Belize and Cozumel. It was reported that the passenger showed no symptoms while on board, so why was the US Government and Carnival so anxious to off-load her? Since the passenger in question was reported as showing no symptoms, why was a US Coast Guard helicopter flown to the ship to pick up her blood specimens when health authorities have told us that unless symptoms are shown, the virus load is undetectable in blood samples? (Nothing was mentioned about her cabin mate's condition.) So how pointless was it to send in a chopper to collect samples that could be obtained a few hours later when the ship was within distance of the port? I have a suspicion that they were possibly contemplating putting the entire ship in quarantine for 21 days. Not letting them dock. It had to have gone through the minds of the epidemiologists. If she had the virus, they would have had to track her movements, who she was in contact with and track them for 21 days. How do you do that on a ship that large? Thousands of people. It would have been a nightmare. I am glad she did not have it. She was also near the end of the 21 day period if not past it also. They may have wanted to be sure?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacia Posted October 20, 2014 #148 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Are you sure? http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/share/uuid/93d5f246-57b6-11e4-8d8a-fe9641d0b953 David. http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/29616736 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newjoisey Posted October 20, 2014 #149 Share Posted October 20, 2014 dudes and dudettes...ya,ll need a chill pill:eek::D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkiC Posted October 20, 2014 #150 Share Posted October 20, 2014 PROVEN FACT: More people in the US have married Kim Kardashian than have died from Ebola in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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