Crown Princess arrival in San Pedro delayed 24 hours

[Kartgv]

Let's put this is perspective: Assuming the 158 passengers with Noro is correct, then there were [B]2,851 [/B]of us passengers on the cruise who did not get it. It was first reported by the Captain to the passengers on Tuesday, Nov. 11, and he kept us updated frequently. At that point there were somewhere around 120 passengers in quarantine. Those numbers quickly dropped as people became more diligent about hand washing and the buffet stopped being 'self serve'. They handled this very well - we never experienced long lines. We're home from the Crown cruise, healthy and had a wonderful time.

On the medical diversion, many of us 'old folks' onboard found it ironic that it was a 23 year old who had the medical emergency. We heard no one complaining about the unscheduled trip to Nuku Hiva - everyone was just happy that they were able to reach medical help in time and save a life.

Yes, there was some grumbling about the Noro precautions and the very slow internet, but the vast majority of the passengers continued to enjoy all the activities and their new friends onboard.

[S.S.Oceanlover]

[quote name='Loonbeam']They are equally as likely to get it on the plane. Or at work. Or pretty much anywhere people congregate.

In fact, since they will be doing a sanitation run and probably operating under Noro procedures, unless someone brings a new case on board, the odds of getting it are probably LESS than any of those (but not zero).[/QUOTE]

I'm just speaking from experience also on the Crown princess where our 7 day cruise to Curacao, Aruba, and Princess Cays was turned into a 5 day cruise to nowhere back in February 2012 because we had an additional outbreak.

I tried to cancel since the previous cruise had a Noro outbreak but was not allowed.

At least you state that even though the ship is disinfected you are still not guaranteed not to get it on the next cruise, unlike Nina who seems to think that there is no chance of getting it after the ship is disinfected.

Bill

[2 to cruise]

[quote name='Kartgv']Let's put this is perspective: Assuming the 158 passengers with Noro is correct, then there were [B]2,851 [/B]of us passengers on the cruise who did not get it. It was first reported by the Captain to the passengers on Tuesday, Nov. 11, and he kept us updated frequently. At that point there were somewhere around 120 passengers in quarantine. Those numbers quickly dropped as people became more diligent about hand washing and the buffet stopped being 'self serve'. They handled this very well - we never experienced long lines. We're home from the Crown cruise, healthy and had a wonderful time.

On the medical diversion, many of us 'old folks' onboard found it ironic that it was a 23 year old who had the medical emergency. We heard no one complaining about the unscheduled trip to Nuku Hiva - everyone was just happy that they were able to reach medical help in time and save a life.

Yes, there was some grumbling about the Noro precautions and the very slow internet, but the vast majority of the passengers continued to enjoy all the activities and their new friends onboard.[/quote]


I couldn't have said it better myself, I like your attitude! Everyone needs to stop getting so hyped up, you can get sick going to the mall more so than on a cruise ship. We also have the news media to "thank."

[RDC1]

[quote name='S.S.Oceanlover']I'm just speaking from experience also on the Crown princess where our 7 day cruise to Curacao, Aruba, and Princess Cays was turned into a 5 day cruise to nowhere back in February 2012 because we had an additional outbreak.

I tried to cancel since the previous cruise had a Noro outbreak but was not allowed.

At least you state that even though the ship is disinfected you are still not guaranteed not to get it on the next cruise, unlike Nina who seems to think that there is no chance of getting it after the ship is disinfected.

Bill[/QUOTE]

Actually you are never guaranteed not to get noro on a cruise ship anytime. Just like you a never guaranteed not to get it on shore at any time. It is basically the most common type of stomach flu. The statistics are pretty much the same for sailing on a cruise ship right after an outbreak as it is for a random cruise.

Princess starts putting increased sanitary procedures in place anytime they have even a relatively few number of passengers. On the Caribbean Princess a couple of years ago, on a cruise right after a major outbreak, the Doctor on board said that they go to enhanced procedures anytime they had 15 cases or about 1/2 of 1%. This outbreak, a major one, was about 5% of the ship. Edited November 17, 2014 by RDC1

[AE_Collector]

[quote name='S.S.Oceanlover']So the people getting on the ship for the next cruise have a choice in whether they want to put themselves at risk of coming down with it.

Bill[/QUOTE]

You had a choice whether to go on a cruise or not and you decided to go on the cruise. Now that you have paid and are at the last minute, they cant let you change your mind or a full refund! Can you imagine what would happen to cruise prices going forward! You are no more likely to get Noro on next weeks cruise than on any other cruise.

This is another example of something that isnt likely a fault of Princess but rather is a fault of other passengers.

Terry

[windsor26]

Don't flame me but I do not understand the comments and panic about Noro from mostly Nort6h American cruisers I have been on several cruises where Noro raised its ugly head but as I am careful never caught it nor did DH and the cruise was never spoilt I do not mind being swerved in the Buffet and dining room .

I understand from lots of threads over the past 10 years that noro is rampant in schools hospitals and nurseries in USA so why blame the cruise ship all the time
We do not appear to have much of it down under but we do get it on the cruise ships so cruise terminals could be the deciding factor as they are NEVER cleaned like cruise ships are.:(

[RDC1]

[quote name='windsor26']Don't flame me but I do not understand the comments and panic about Noro from mostly Nort6h American cruisers I have been on several cruises where Noro raised its ugly head but as I am careful never caught it nor did DH and the cruise was never spoilt I do not mind being swerved in the Buffet and dining room .

I understand from lots of threads over the past 10 years that noro is rampant in schools hospitals and nurseries in USA so why blame the cruise ship all the time
We do not appear to have much of it down under but we do get it on the cruise ships so cruise terminals could be the deciding factor as they are NEVER cleaned like cruise ships are.:([/QUOTE]

Actually you have it at about the same rate as the US does. Just as in the US people don't think about and most outbreaks on land are not reported. Cruise ships outbreaks are. The latest major strain was first identified in Australia.

[URL="http://www.smh.com.au/world/australias-mutant-vomiting-bug-spreads-misery-around-the-world-20130115-2cs6r.html"]http://www.smh.com.au/world/australias-mutant-vomiting-bug-spreads-misery-around-the-world-20130115-2cs6r.html[/URL]

According to an Australian government web site

"As mentioned in section 2.2, each year in Australia there are an estimated 1.8 million cases of norovirus infection, making it the
most common cause of gastroenteritis [28]."

Which considering the population of Australia would mean over 7% of the population each year. A higher percentage then on the Crown. Edited November 17, 2014 by RDC1

[Pam in CA]

The Crown sailed a few minutes ago and she's currently at 12kt and heading to pass Catalina.

I've been on many cruises with Noro but got it only once and that time, I am convinced I got it from a hotel overnight in Jerusalem. I've caught far more colds on a cruise. :(

[LucyR.]

Yes, it is true that the NOROVIRUS can be caught in a hospital, a large gathering of people, and other public places. BUT.... KNOWING that the
Crown Ship CAN PUT ME AT RISK of getting ill with the NOROVIRUS truly scares me because first of all I am cruising to have fun and I have paid $1,000.00 TO HAVE FUN ON THE SHIP.

I will try to reschedule my cruise on the Crown. I can cruise on any future date. I am a senior with a weak immunity system and I would get really ill with the virus if I have the bad luck of catching the virus.

YES, MY NICK-NAME IS NERVOUS NELLY. I have a right to be nervous because out of 3,000 passengers I can be the chosen one to get ill.
Yes, I am being negative but I have a right to try to keep myself healthy.
I am going to call Princess about changing to another Princess ship.

Carnival allows people to reschedule a cruise but I do have to pay an administrative fee. I am willing to pay the extra money to change to a future date on the Crown Princess.

[redtogo]

I know that other ships have cases of NoroVirus, but it seems that the Crown has more than normal. We were on a transatlantic on the Crown a couple of years ago, and Noro was rampant. Neither I nor DH contracted it, but my nice neighbor next door with whom I whale watched on a daily basis came down with it. A few cruises before ours, the Crown had a cruise cut short by several days and taken in for a deep cleaning. There have been several reports of this type about the Crown since then.

When we book cruises, I stear clear of the Crown. Just me, but that's what I do. Never had an alarming cruise like the one on the Crown. Updates daily explaining the reporting of numbers to the CDC....very scary. Others can sail the Crown, I won't.

[paul929207]

[quote name='LucyR.']Yes, it is true that the NOROVIRUS can be caught in a hospital, a large gathering of people, and other public places. BUT.... KNOWING that the
Crown Ship CAN PUT ME AT RISK of getting ill with the NOROVIRUS truly scares me because first of all I am cruising to have fun and I have paid $1,000.00 TO HAVE FUN ON THE SHIP.

I will try to reschedule my cruise on the Crown. I can cruise on any future date. I am a senior with a weak immunity system and I would get really ill with the virus if I have the bad luck of catching the virus.

YES, MY NICK-NAME IS NERVOUS NELLY. I have a right to be nervous because out of 3,000 passengers I can be the chosen one to get ill.
Yes, I am being negative but I have a right to try to keep myself healthy.
I am going to call Princess about changing to another Princess ship.

Carnival allows people to reschedule a cruise but I do have to pay an administrative fee. I am willing to pay the extra money to change to a future date on the Crown Princess.[/QUOTE]
Since the Crown sailed before you wrote this, you have obviously cancelled. I hope you have cancel for any reason insurance.

[RDC1]

[quote name='LucyR.']Yes, it is true that the NOROVIRUS can be caught in a hospital, a large gathering of people, and other public places. BUT.... KNOWING that the
Crown Ship CAN PUT ME AT RISK of getting ill with the NOROVIRUS truly scares me because first of all I am cruising to have fun and I have paid $1,000.00 TO HAVE FUN ON THE SHIP.

I will try to reschedule my cruise on the Crown. I can cruise on any future date. I am a senior with a weak immunity system and I would get really ill with the virus if I have the bad luck of catching the virus.

YES, MY NICK-NAME IS NERVOUS NELLY. I have a right to be nervous because out of 3,000 passengers I can be the chosen one to get ill.
Yes, I am being negative but I have a right to try to keep myself healthy.
I am going to call Princess about changing to another Princess ship.

Carnival allows people to reschedule a cruise but I do have to pay an administrative fee. I am willing to pay the extra money to change to a future date on the Crown Princess.[/QUOTE]

If you are that concerned about the Noro virus. Here is an interesting statistic for you from the CDC. Norovirus is the most common cause of acute gastroenteritis in the United States. Each year, it causes 19-21 million illnesses

Now since the US currently has a population of around 316 milion that means that 6.3 percent of the population will get Noro each year. So the huge outbreak on the Crown infected almost the same percentage of the passengers as the percentage of the US populations that will get it each year.

Based upon those statistics and your concerns isolation might be in order.

What is a bit unusual is the timing of the outbreak, since Noro generally is most common in the Spring. Now I would suspect the outbreak was picked up south of the equator because it hits the southern hemisphere most heavily during our fall and there Spring, right about now.

[RDC1]

For those of you that are concerned about sailing on a ship on the cruise after a
Noro outbreak, I would suggest a glance at the CDC page tracking cruise ship outbreaks. When you do so notice that since 2004, a period of 5 years, there have been only 4 where a cruise ship had a reportable outbreak two cruises in a row (1 with 3 in a row).

Those were:

Royal Caribbean Grandeur of he Seas 3/28-4/5 4/5-4/12 2014
Coral Princess 4/24-5/04 5/04-5/10 2011
Celebrity Mercury 2/15-2/26 2/26-3/08 3/08-3/19 2010
Cunard Queen Victoria 1/04-1/12 1/12-1/27 2010

[S.S.Oceanlover]

[quote name='RDC1']For those of you that are concerned about sailing on a ship on the cruise after a
Noro outbreak, I would suggest a glance at the CDC page tracking cruise ship outbreaks. When you do so notice that since 2004, a period of 5 years, there have been only 4 where a cruise ship had a reportable outbreak two cruises in a row (1 with 3 in a row).

Those were:

Royal Caribbean Grandeur of he Seas 3/28-4/5 4/5-4/12 2014
Coral Princess 4/24-5/04 5/04-5/10 2011
Celebrity Mercury 2/15-2/26 2/26-3/08 3/08-3/19 2010
Cunard Queen Victoria 1/04-1/12 1/12-1/27 2010[/QUOTE]

You must have overlooked the Crown Princess back in 2012.:)

Bill

[IECalCruiser]

[quote name='RDC1']...What is a bit unusual is the timing of the outbreak, since Noro generally is most common in the Spring. Now I would suspect the outbreak was picked up south of the equator because it hits the southern hemisphere most heavily during our fall and there Spring, right about now.[/QUOTE]Based upon the information reported in the press which may be risky, the time of year and the timing of the outbreak is a bit strange. Because it didn't really get severe until mid cruise, someone was probably infected and brought the Noro on board during stops in Hawaii or Samoa.


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[Loonbeam]

Transmission vector can be the biggest factor in spread. It could have been bouncing from one person to one person for a few days from casual contact, but then one infected person on day 4 barfs in a public restroom and doesn't tell anyone, then the exponential spread starts (remember those old shampoo commercials? And you infect 2 friends, and they infect 2 friends...)

[quote name='IECalCruiser']Based upon the information reported in the press which may be risky, the time of year and the timing of the outbreak is a bit strange. Because it didn't really get severe until mid cruise, someone was probably infected and brought the Noro on board during stops in Hawaii or Samoa.


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[RDC1]

[quote name='S.S.Oceanlover']You must have overlooked the Crown Princess back in 2012.:)

Bill[/QUOTE]

Yep did miss that one there were 4 ships with outbreaks in that time so it go separated by a number of spots on the list. I looked for cases like that but missed that so make it 5 times in 5 years.

[csss]

First of all, let me say I had a wonderful cruise. I might also say that there were a fair number of people onboard who are "glass is half empty' sorts. I am not. Yes it rained on several port days. I did not let it stop me from snorkeling with the rays and sharks. I was going to get wet anyway. Yes the internet was problematic at times, but we know, that happens. I live in the country and had satellite internet for several years before cable, and each time it rained, my internet went down. Yes the norovirus struck, and yes, I got it again (my third time on a cruise ship). I do not use the public bathrooms, I don't touch railings, I don't go into the casino and touch machines, I don't do the buffet. I never put my hands near my eyes or face unless they have been scrubbed. But, some people are more susceptible than others - read any report on noro. And I get sick. The medical staff always have to visit me TWICE in my cabin each time, because one shot of phenergan never stops the symptoms. My dh always takes loving care of me and he never gets it. Of course I have gotten it other times outside of ships too. Yes, I always notify the ship, because I do not want anyone to catch it from me. And, if I am going to have noro, honestly it's the place to have it. Tucked in my little cabin, room service at the beck and call, the hit squad sanitizing around me every few hours. So what. It was two days of mostly sleep and watching the movies and lectures on the TV that I missed. And on a 28 day cruise, with people coughing in the public areas from day one, I think there are far worse things to be caught.

As far as the delay goes, well, I commend Princess for the lengths they went to to save that young crew members life. As the Captain said, the diversion will cost the line over a million. Bravo Princess.

[Floridiana]

I am glad the young crew member made it. Nuku Hiva's airport is on the other side of the mountainous island from the port, so it takes a while to get him on the plane to Tahiti, a 3 1/2 hour flight. Maybe they used a helicopter for the port-airport transfer.

I have been on ships with Noro and observed passenger behavior that helped spread the virus. In one case, a head waiter cleaned behind a woman who touched every surface available, backs of chairs, railings, table, wall in the buffet. She was not mobility challenged at all and the sea was as smooth as a mirror. We were on red alert for Noro. If she touched a contaminated spot, she did an excellent job of spreading the virus everywhere.

[pjslc]

I sail on the Crown this coming Saturday and can't wait! I have no concerns at all. I'm obsessive compulsive (a little) about washing my hands. Knowing what we know of germs, viruses, bacteria, etc. it still shocks me to no end how many men I see leave public restrooms without washing their hands. I've heard from female friends a surprising number of women behave the same way. I'll pay close attention to what happens on the current cruise but I'm not worried. It'll be a wonderful Thanksgiving cruise next week! ;-)

[paul929207]

[quote name='pjslc']I sail on the Crown this coming Saturday and can't wait! I have no concerns at all. I'm obsessive compulsive (a little) about washing my hands. Knowing what we know of germs, viruses, bacteria, etc. it still shocks me to no end how many men I see leave public restrooms without washing their hands. I've heard from female friends a surprising number of women behave the same way. I'll pay close attention to what happens on the current cruise but I'm not worried. It'll be a wonderful Thanksgiving cruise next week! ;-)[/QUOTE]
Have a great cruise

[pjslc]

[quote name='paul929207']Have a great cruise[/QUOTE]

Thanks my fellow Paul :)

[shredie]

[quote name='Floridiana']I have been on ships with Noro and observed passenger behavior that helped spread the virus. In one case, a head waiter cleaned behind a woman who touched every surface available, backs of chairs, railings, table, wall in the buffet. She was not mobility challenged at all and the sea was as smooth as a mirror. We were on red alert for Noro. If she touched a contaminated spot, she did an excellent job of spreading the virus everywhere.[/QUOTE]


You knew this person was in fact infected with noro? You knew for a fact this person was not challenged in any way including issues with balance?

[fiorita]

We are 2 days late getting home from this cruise. All we have to say is Princess did what they had to do to save a young mans life. Our thanks for a great cruise and the best staff we have every had on over 29 cruises.
Rita & Ken

[Jules59]

[quote name='shredie']you knew this person was in fact infected with noro? You knew for a fact this person was not challenged in any way including issues with balance?[/quote]
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