slicksun Posted December 12, 2014 #1 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Hi, Very specific question. I already booked a cruise I guess I shouldve waited until this was all sorted out. Here are the circumstances. 1. My fiancee is a U.S. Perm Resident i.e. Green card holder with a Philippines expired passport expired late 2012. She applied yesterday for a new one but they said up to 3 months and have no expedited services. 2. Traveling from Chicago to San Juan on feb 7. http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findac...ilDate=1150207 3. We didnt have any problems from a cruise in Miami to Bahamas before with an expired passport. 4. Does she need a passport? I hear both yes and no when searching through google. I was just thinking she could bring all of her docs including the expired passport, green card, renewal of passport receipts, birth cert, driver's license etc and we would be good. Is my logic flawed? TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted December 12, 2014 #2 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Hi, Very specific question. I already booked a cruise I guess I shouldve waited until this was all sorted out. Here are the circumstances. 1. My fiancee is a U.S. Perm Resident i.e. Green card holder with a Philippines expired passport expired late 2012. She applied yesterday for a new one but they said up to 3 months and have no expedited services. 2. Traveling from Chicago to San Juan on feb 7. http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findac...ilDate=1150207 3. We didnt have any problems from a cruise in Miami to Bahamas before with an expired passport. 4. Does she need a passport? I hear both yes and no when searching through google. I was just thinking she could bring all of her docs including the expired passport, green card, renewal of passport receipts, birth cert, driver's license etc and we would be good. Is my logic flawed? TIA All she needs is the green card for re-entry to the US. The rub comes from what the entry requirements are for a Philippino citizen at each of the ports of call. If any of them require a Philippino citizen to have a valid passport then you likely won't be allowed to board even if you promise to stay onboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatbush Flyer Posted December 12, 2014 #3 Share Posted December 12, 2014 OP: listen to your own advice. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky61 Posted December 12, 2014 #4 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Hi, Very specific question. I already booked a cruise I guess I shouldve waited until this was all sorted out. Here are the circumstances. 1. My fiancee is a U.S. Perm Resident i.e. Green card holder with a Philippines expired passport expired late 2012. She applied yesterday for a new one but they said up to 3 months and have no expedited services. 2. Traveling from Chicago to San Juan on feb 7. http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findac...ilDate=1150207 3. We didnt have any problems from a cruise in Miami to Bahamas before with an expired passport. 4. Does she need a passport? I hear both yes and no when searching through google. I was just thinking she could bring all of her docs including the expired passport, green card, renewal of passport receipts, birth cert, driver's license etc and we would be good. Is my logic flawed? TIA Why don't you call the State department and ask them?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteTraveler Posted December 12, 2014 #5 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) If you are visiting any port that would require your fiancée to have a Visa because she is a Phillippino citizen, then, traveling with an expired passport will not work. http://www.uscis.gov/green-card/after-green-card-granted/international-travel-permanent-resident The green card only allows your fiancee to get back into the US, it is almost meaningless to other countries - except that if the country decided to deny her entry, possession of the green card would allow her to return to the US instead of the Phillippines. Looks like your fiancee needs to make an emergency trip to a consulate and ask for emergency assistance. There are several Phillippino consulates in the US: http://www.us-passport-service-guide.com/how-to-renew-a-philippine-passport-in-the-us.html If she asks for an expedited passport at the consulate in LA, she should get it in time for the cruise. http://traveltips.usatoday.com/expediting-philippines-passport-renewal-los-angeles-110150.html The other possibility is to request an emergency passport but she would be more likely to be granted that for an emergency - such as a family member being critically ill in another country, then for a vacation. Edited December 12, 2014 by SuiteTraveler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlueRiband Posted December 12, 2014 #6 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Link to site: "For immigration purposes, traveling from the continental United States to Puerto Rico does not constitute an exit from the U.S. as long as the flight goes directly from any state to Puerto Rico. Likewise, when coming to the U.S. mainland from Puerto Rico, travelers do not have to go through Immigration, as long as the flight comes directly from Puerto Rico to any state. However, as in any other U.S. state or territory, immigration enforcement agencies have the authority to interview people to verify legal status. It is a legal requirement for aliens lawfully present in the U.S., including Puerto Rico, to be in possession of the appropriate visa or official documentation establishing their legal immigration status. Arriving in Puerto Rico from a foreign country is the same as arriving in any other part of the U.S. Therefore, persons who are not U.S. citizens, or alien residents traveling to Puerto Rico from any other country, should contact the U.S. State Department* about visa and other requirements for entry into the U.S. ( www.state.gov/travel/)" Since you are traveling to a US commonwealth country, consider yourself as having dodged a bullet. Edited December 12, 2014 by BlueRiband Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted December 12, 2014 #7 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Link to site: "For immigration purposes, traveling from the continental United States to Puerto Rico does not constitute an exit from the U.S. as long as the flight goes directly from any state to Puerto Rico. Likewise, when coming to the U.S. mainland from Puerto Rico, travelers do not have to go through Immigration, as long as the flight comes directly from Puerto Rico to any state. However, as in any other U.S. state or territory, immigration enforcement agencies have the authority to interview people to verify legal status. It is a legal requirement for aliens lawfully present in the U.S., including Puerto Rico, to be in possession of the appropriate visa or official documentation establishing their legal immigration status. Arriving in Puerto Rico from a foreign country is the same as arriving in any other part of the U.S. Therefore, persons who are not U.S. citizens, or alien residents traveling to Puerto Rico from any other country, should contact the U.S. State Department* about visa and other requirements for entry into the U.S. ( www.state.gov/travel/)" Since you are traveling to a US commonwealth country, consider yourself as having dodged a bullet. The fiancee wouldn't have an issue getting to san juan but it is my understanding that they be boarding a cruise there and therein lays the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fendbass Posted December 12, 2014 #8 Share Posted December 12, 2014 You know, on Discover America TV channel, they did a show about a turnaround day for Oasis. One of the things they showed was a woman who had brought the wrong (expired) passport, and she was Vietnamese. They denied her boarding, and the whole family chose not to go Another woman, a newlywed, was almost shut off until she was able to get her marriage certificate faxed to the cruise line This program should be required viewing for those with passport questions My wife says I am obsessivly compulsive about checking to be sure of our documentation (I will often stop the car within the first 30 minutes, to check to be sure we have everything), but, I would rather be foolish, than have to face that drive back from Ft Lauderdale or Port Canaveral because I forgot something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slicksun Posted December 15, 2014 Author #9 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Link to site: "For immigration purposes, traveling from the continental United States to Puerto Rico does not constitute an exit from the U.S. as long as the flight goes directly from any state to Puerto Rico. Likewise, when coming to the U.S. mainland from Puerto Rico, travelers do not have to go through Immigration, as long as the flight comes directly from Puerto Rico to any state. However, as in any other U.S. state or territory, immigration enforcement agencies have the authority to interview people to verify legal status. It is a legal requirement for aliens lawfully present in the U.S., including Puerto Rico, to be in possession of the appropriate visa or official documentation establishing their legal immigration status. Arriving in Puerto Rico from a foreign country is the same as arriving in any other part of the U.S. Therefore, persons who are not U.S. citizens, or alien residents traveling to Puerto Rico from any other country, should contact the U.S. State Department* about visa and other requirements for entry into the U.S. ( www.state.gov/travel/)" Since you are traveling to a US commonwealth country, consider yourself as having dodged a bullet. thanks I cant see the smaller islands giving us a hassle about coming back on board especially with a green card and illinois license. I don't see them hassling cruisers to be honest. If the passport comes in time we'll be thankful but we'll do without if it doesnt come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njhorseman Posted December 15, 2014 #10 Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) thanksI cant see the smaller islands giving us a hassle about coming back on board especially with a green card and illinois license. I don't see them hassling cruisers to be honest. If the passport comes in time we'll be thankful but we'll do without if it doesnt come. You're making a very dangerous and foolish assumption. If you don't have the proper documentation required by even one of your ports of call your cruise line won't even let you board the ship on embarkation day. What you "don't see" could very well cause you to be left behind, with no recourse and no way to obtain a refund of the cruise fare you've paid. Edited December 15, 2014 by njhorseman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted December 15, 2014 #11 Share Posted December 15, 2014 You're making a very dangerous assumption. If you don't have the proper documentation required by even one of your ports of call your cruise line won't even let you board the ship on embarkation day. What you "don't see" could very well cause you to be left behind, with no recourse and no way to obtain a refund of the cruise fare you've paid. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted December 15, 2014 #12 Share Posted December 15, 2014 thanksI cant see the smaller islands giving us a hassle about coming back on board especially with a green card and illinois license. I don't see them hassling cruisers to be honest. If the passport comes in time we'll be thankful but we'll do without if it doesnt come. You need to think about the cruise line letting you board in the first place - forget "...the smaller islands...". The relaxed documentation (birth certificate and photo ID) may not apply to a Green Card holder. Have you contacted a Phillipines consulate to discuss the situation? - and not just shrug off the three months estimate given upon application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nana541 Posted December 15, 2014 #13 Share Posted December 15, 2014 No where does the OP give any info on the cruiseline and the date of the sailing???? Why not give more complete info so that we can try and give better advice! Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off2China Posted December 15, 2014 #14 Share Posted December 15, 2014 No where does the OP give any info on the cruiseline and the date of the sailing???? Why not give more complete info so that we can try and give better advice! Sent from my iPhone using Forums Nana - See point #2 in the original post. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slicksun Posted December 15, 2014 Author #15 Share Posted December 15, 2014 You need to think about the cruise line letting you board in the first place - forget "...the smaller islands...". The relaxed documentation (birth certificate and photo ID) may not apply to a Green Card holder. Have you contacted a Phillipines consulate to discuss the situation? - and not just shrug off the three months estimate given upon application. you have to physically go there to apply for a renewal. there is no special person to talk to for an expedited passport. I'm a U.S. Citizen and I always am surprised how lackadaisical every single process is for her dealing with the Philippines government (outside of the passport process). We even brought our plane tickets and they said too bad and just told us to wait. Their illustration board at the office said 6-8 weeks but they told us 3 months ...They must be accounting for the holiday swoon. Kind of off topic but we met an old couple that drove from Ohio to Chicago because it was the nearest consulate. Ridiculous that they make everyone show up in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nana541 Posted December 15, 2014 #16 Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Nana - See point #2 in the original post. :) Link does not work but I see he is sailing RCCL out of San Juan. Possibly a Feb 7 sailing..... He needs to check with each country on that sailing for the req. of a citizen of the Philippians ..... Should take about 5 min for each port. Have not done it myself but I think the OP is SOL :( Found a Feb 8 sailing... So I'm assuming that is the one? Barbados St. Lucia Antigua St Martin U.S. BVI So four countries to check! How hard can the be ;) Sent from my iPhone using Forums Edited December 15, 2014 by nana541 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slicksun Posted December 15, 2014 Author #17 Share Posted December 15, 2014 i just called royal. they said she is good to go with a green card because it's a closed loop and she is allowed to embark and disembark on all of the stops as well. they said i worry too much and enjoy my vacay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nana541 Posted December 15, 2014 #18 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Well right off the bat it appears the St Lucia needs a valid passport with either (3 or 6 months no clear) and a VISA obtained prior to arrival. This counties info not very clear but the OP lady will be denied boarding based on this port alone.... These entry rules are changing often, I suggest they call the embassy of each of these ports. It doesn't look good from my quick check. Sorry Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nana541 Posted December 15, 2014 #19 Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) She is not a U.S. Citizen ! I believe you have been given bad info and that CSR won't be at the dock to make an exception ! Good luck to you and I hope I am wrong ... Sent from my iPhone using Forums Edited December 15, 2014 by nana541 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted December 15, 2014 #20 Share Posted December 15, 2014 i just called royal. they said she is good to go with a green card because it's a closed loop and she is allowed to embark and disembark on all of the stops as well. they said i worry too much and enjoy my vacay. This is one time that I hope customer service has gotten it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted December 15, 2014 #21 Share Posted December 15, 2014 She is not a U.S. Citizen ! I believe you have been given bad info and that CSR won't be at the dock to make an exception ! Sent from my iPhone using Forums The CSR knew she had a green card and isn't a US citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nana541 Posted December 15, 2014 #22 Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Oh I know and I hope you are correct Sent from my iPhone using Forums Edited December 15, 2014 by nana541 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nana541 Posted December 15, 2014 #23 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Too many nightmare stories of these types of misunderstandings and the Cruiselines giving out bad info. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slicksun Posted December 15, 2014 Author #24 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Too many nightmare stories of these types of misunderstandings and the Cruiselines giving out bad info. Sent from my iPhone using Forums k. great advice. you've been most helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nana541 Posted December 15, 2014 #25 Share Posted December 15, 2014 http://www.royalcaribbean.com/beforeyouboard/travelDocumentation.do From the RCCL website Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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