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A) I'm not on the Quantum I'm on Oasis when I booked it was traditional dining hence why I booked

 

b) I cannot change the booking due to restrictions

 

C) if you could read I have no problem wearing formal but in the past regardless of where I have eaten formal for example restaurants at home, royal Caribbean ships in the past including Oasis etc I have never been required to wear a jacket because of the simple fact I take it off.

 

d) I was asking a simple question anyone know if the jacket can be missed its seems stupid tome as I will just take it off and no one will see it.

 

My panties are not in a bunch over a coat it's a jacket a coat is a different thing.

 

 

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Since RCI's description of Formal Wear policy for men requires a jacket on all ships, you are saying that you have been violating their published policy and are now upset that they are enforcing it. What happens if they start enforcing their policy on all ships even in their MDR? By the way, I would be very interested in your definition of formal if it does not include at least a jacket. Most people in the US would consider a sports jacket as smart casual or semi-formal with a suit (matching pants and jacket) or tux as formal.

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I love formal wear. But if they are taking the jackets what's the point?

 

The point is formal night is dead.

 

I'm suspecting that they do not have enough jackets to outfit all those who are showing up without one. Therefore, they have to take them back. The strong implication is that too many people do not want to enjoy a 'formal dining' experience so each jacket must be used multiple time per seating.

 

Of course, if this is correct, then we have the answer to the question that started this thread: "Anyone bothering to dress up for Grande". The answer is 'not enough'.

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The point is formal night is dead.

 

I'm suspecting that they do not have enough jackets to outfit all those who are showing up without one. Therefore, they have to take them back.

Haha, quite an imagination there! Guess you can keep hoping though.

 

The large majority still show up for traditional formal nights in at least a jacket. I'm sure it's the same, or more, when they have actually made a reservation at a specific formal venue.

 

As I've stated here before, although you WISH you are representative of the majority, in reality you're only representative of the Cruise Critic vocal minority!

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The point is formal night is dead.

 

I'm suspecting that they do not have enough jackets to outfit all those who are showing up without one. Therefore, they have to take them back. The strong implication is that too many people do not want to enjoy a 'formal dining' experience so each jacket must be used multiple time per seating.

 

Of course, if this is correct, then we have the answer to the question that started this thread: "Anyone bothering to dress up for Grande". The answer is 'not enough'.

 

Hmm, interesting conclusion. Let's throw a few numbers into the equation and see if it holds water.

1) There are 425 people at a time in the Grande - 50% men=210

2) It was said there is a small closet with jacket outside the entrance - lets assume there are 30 jackets in the closet

3) Jackets do not come in a "one size fits all", if using US sizes you can expect the jackets to come in ~8 adult and 4 children sizes or about 3 jackets per size which would explain why they need the jackets back

4) So lets assume each jacket is used twice per seating for a total 60 men/boys showing up who are violating the policy

5) 150/210 means that 70% of the men/boys are showing up with jackets.

 

Conclusion: Formal nights are alive and well for the vast majority of cruisers on the Quantum.

 

The real shame is that RCI has to accommodate those few men who violate the policy so that the majority who are following the rules are able to enjoy their formal experience. By the way I hate dressing up but can tolerate it for 2 hours to make my DW happy and those around me.

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Conclusion: Formal nights are alive and well for the vast majority of cruisers on the Quantum.

But I think most folks will agree which way the trend is, and not just on the Quantum.

 

Biker, who will pack his tux on a traditional cruise but will only bring some sort of suit jacket on a ship with DD.

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Haha, quite an imagination there! Guess you can keep hoping though.

 

The large majority still show up for traditional formal nights in at least a jacket. I'm sure it's the same, or more, when they have actually made a reservation at a specific formal venue.

 

As I've stated here before, although you WISH you are representative of the majority, in reality you're only representative of the Cruise Critic vocal minority!

 

What difference does it make if I'm a 'Cruise Critic vocal minority' or not? The cruise lines do not make policy based upon majority vote here on cruise critic. What matters is what do the majority of those the cruise lines wish to attract prefer.

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Hmm, interesting conclusion. Let's throw a few numbers into the equation and see if it holds water.

1) There are 425 people at a time in the Grande - 50% men=210

2) It was said there is a small closet with jacket outside the entrance - lets assume there are 30 jackets in the closet

3) Jackets do not come in a "one size fits all", if using US sizes you can expect the jackets to come in ~8 adult and 4 children sizes or about 3 jackets per size which would explain why they need the jackets back

4) So lets assume each jacket is used twice per seating for a total 60 men/boys showing up who are violating the policy

5) 150/210 means that 70% of the men/boys are showing up with jackets.

 

Conclusion: Formal nights are alive and well for the vast majority of cruisers on the Quantum.

 

The real shame is that RCI has to accommodate those few men who violate the policy so that the majority who are following the rules are able to enjoy their formal experience. By the way I hate dressing up but can tolerate it for 2 hours to make my DW happy and those around me.

 

For the purposes of argument, let's accept your assumptions and your numbers. I would disagree with you conclusions though. When 30% of those making reservations for a venue do not show up in proper attire, that is far from a ringing endorsement of the dress policy. In fact, it might be safe to say the majority would wish the policy were changed given a choice.

 

I realize that some prefer the pomp and circumstance of formal nights. I would enjoy them while you can as I do not think they will survive much longer. When RCI departed from two formal nights in the MDR, they, in effect, made formal nights optional. The trend should be obvious.

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I don't know what to make of this entire thread. Based on the reviews so far it would seem that the Grande is the most consistently highly rated complimentary restaurant on the ship, has the most repeat customers, and that based on the pictures I've seen nobody is having an issue tossing a jacket on for dinner.

 

With all of the hype surrounding DD it's interesting that a lot of people seem to be flocking towards the restaurant that is the most similar to a traditional mdr. Not passing judgement on jackets or DD here, just an observation.

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What difference does it make if I'm a 'Cruise Critic vocal minority' or not? The cruise lines do not make policy based upon majority vote here on cruise critic. What matters is what do the majority of those the cruise lines wish to attract prefer.

Yep, exactly - and if you look around at dinner on a formal night with traditional dining, or look around at dinner at The Grande, it would apear that the very large majority are dressed in accordance with the dress code, and I really doubt they're all sitting there stewing and steaming because they had to put on some nice clothes for dinner! ;)

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When 30% of those making reservations for a venue do not show up in proper attire, that is far from a ringing endorsement of the dress policy.

 

What about the 70% that DO show up in the proper attire?

 

In fact, it might be safe to say the majority would wish the policy were changed given a choice.

 

Why make reservations at a place where you KNOW you don't want to follow the suggested attire? ESPECIALLY when you have other options?

 

 

When RCI departed from two formal nights in the MDR, they, in effect, made formal nights optional. The trend should be obvious.

 

They "departed" from 2 formal nights by giving you the option to have formal night any night or EVERY night or not at all...?:confused:

 

I get that not everyone...appreciates formal night. But now there's an option for everyone and you STILL have people clamoring for the "END OF FORMAL NIGHT" when they don't even have to deal with it anymore.

 

Mind...boggled. LMAO!

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I get that not everyone...appreciates formal night. But now there's an option for everyone and you STILL have people clamoring for the "END OF FORMAL NIGHT" when they don't even have to deal with it anymore.

 

Mind...boggled. LMAO!

 

I'm not 'clamoring' for the end of formal nights. I am only pointing out the absurdity of formal nights. When it is considered 'formal' to borrow a coat to walk from the door to your table, it may be a lot of things, but formal it is not.

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... you missed my point which was the absurdity of wearing a jacket to the table, removing the jacket while dining, and calling that formal.... Why not just have the person escorting the customer to his table carry a jacket over his arm in honor of formal night.

 

Perhaps I did miss your point. So at the risk of really ticking some people off, I'll comment. IMHO the real "absurdity" is not wearing a loaner jacket to the table only to hand it back, but that this is even an issue. Everyone pretty much knows that Grande is a Formal Only restaurant. It's obvious, if someone doesn't want to dress accordingly, then go somewhere else. The mere fact that people first insist that they be allowed in underdressed, then, as you state, find it absurd to go through the "silly" motions of bothering to even wear a jacket to the table is what's really the issue. If you show up to a Formal Restaurant anywhere in the world in a shirt and pants and no jacket or tie, then you likely will and should be turned away. But to do it knowingly and with total disregard is disrespectful. It's disrespectful to the owner (RCI), it's disrespectful to the employees for the position you put them in, and it's disrespectful to the patrons who have the class and dignity to show up appropriately dressed. So, the mere fact that you have to put on a jacket to walk to the table should embarrass you for having shown up obviously underdressed. I have read all the "it's my vacation" b.s. excuses people can come up with. But they are totally irrelevant on a ship that offers somewhere in the vicinity of 17 dining venues if you consider the Dog House, etc. At the very least there are 3 other main complimentary restaurants and the Windjammer. There are 4 upcharge restaurants. None of which require a jacket. No more silly excuses. If you want to eat in Grande, show up in appropriate attire. Anything less is rude and classless.

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For the purposes of argument, let's accept your assumptions and your numbers. I would disagree with you conclusions though. When 30% of those making reservations for a venue do not show up in proper attire, that is far from a ringing endorsement of the dress policy. In fact, it might be safe to say the majority would wish the policy were changed given a choice.

 

I realize that some prefer the pomp and circumstance of formal nights. I would enjoy them while you can as I do not think they will survive much longer. When RCI departed from two formal nights in the MDR, they, in effect, made formal nights optional. The trend should be obvious.

 

If 30% are violating the policy, how do you get to the conclusion that the "MAJORITY" would wish the policy were changed. There is absolutely NO evidence for that statement. I believe that it is more likely that many assume they can show up at the Grande just as they have in the past in the MDR with total disregard to the policy. Over time those who do not want to wear a jacket on the Quantum will book another venue or bring a jacket knowing it will be enforced. Or they can go back to booking a ship with MDR and go to formal nights without a jacket. Yes the trend is obvious to me, RCI will start enforcing it's policies and give it's passengers more options through DD.

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If 30% are violating the policy, how do you get to the conclusion that the "MAJORITY" would wish the policy were changed. There is absolutely NO evidence for that statement. I believe that it is more likely that many assume they can show up at the Grande just as they have in the past in the MDR with total disregard to the policy. Over time those who do not want to wear a jacket on the Quantum will book another venue or bring a jacket knowing it will be enforced. Or they can go back to booking a ship with MDR and go to formal nights without a jacket. Yes the trend is obvious to me, RCI will start enforcing it's policies and give it's passengers more options through DD.

 

As you can tell by my posts, I agree with you, however I will say that I also think Formal Night is "dying a slow death." I think one of the reasons that RCCL went to a "formal only" restaurant is to satisfy those of us who like it while sort of eliminating "formal night." It does offer the perfect solution.

One other comment, if no one was allowed in that wasn't dressed accordingly, it would certainly make the point one way or another. If the restaurant was half full or less every night, it would show RCCL that most weren't interested in dressing. If the restaurant is full every night, it'd show RCCL that many people still are interested in dressing. So really it would behoove all those "anti-formal" people to avoid Grande to show the reality of the experiment.

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What a lot of folks here assume, wrongly I think, everyone going to Grande know it's a formal dress venue. CC readers are a very small minority of the cruising public - they have no excuse. But Joe Q Public cruiser on his first cruise probably has no idea (or hasn't bothered to read the fine print in the venue description) what the dress code is for Grande. They didn't pack a jacket, yet they may have made reservations at Grande (not knowing about the dress code). Then there are folks whose luggage never makes the sailing. For folks like that, RCI has made some allowances. It would be interesting to ask some of the folks in line to get into Grande without a jacket if they knew one was needed.

 

And of course there's probably a fairly large majority of the "jacketless" who used to get into the MDR without a jacket on formal night on a ship without DD and think they can do the same on Grande.

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If 30% are violating the policy, how do you get to the conclusion that the "MAJORITY" would wish the policy were changed. There is absolutely NO evidence for that statement. I believe that it is more likely that many assume they can show up at the Grande just as they have in the past in the MDR with total disregard to the policy. Over time those who do not want to wear a jacket on the Quantum will book another venue or bring a jacket knowing it will be enforced. Or they can go back to booking a ship with MDR and go to formal nights without a jacket. Yes the trend is obvious to me, RCI will start enforcing it's policies and give it's passengers more options through DD.

 

Your confusing compliance with the policy with agreement with the policy. Just because some one is coerced into wearing a jacket does not mean they, given a choice, would wear a jacket. Oh, I know, no one is 'coerced' into wearing a jacket. They can always visit the buffet, do room service, etc.

 

Think of it this way. Suppose there is a speed limit which is enforced without mercy or exception. Just because someone does not speed does not mean they agree with the posted speed limit.

 

Which reminds me. I often wonder about those who insist upon following rules, do they ever exceed the posted speed limits? Is that disrespectful? Does that make them a 'jerk'? Or, is one a 'disrespectful jerk' only if one disagrees with the dress code?

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What a lot of folks here assume, wrongly I think, everyone going to Grande know it's a formal dress venue.

 

It is clearly printed in the description of Grande that the dress if Formal. Additionally if a new cruiser looks at "What to Pack," it shows Formal Nights on every length cruise. So, sure there are some who may not "get the word." Or there are some whose luggage doesn't make it. For those people, there is the choice of other dining areas, or simply borrow the jacket. No big deal. But anyone who makes a reservation should see the dress code on the description of the dining room.

 

I often wonder about those who insist upon following rules, do they ever exceed the posted speed limits? Is that disrespectful? Does that make them a 'jerk'? Or, is one a 'disrespectful jerk' only if one disagrees with the dress code?

 

Actually it makes them a "criminal." They are breaking the law. They are, in the eyes of the law, putting others in jeopardy. Does it make them a "jerk?" Maybe, maybe not. I have seen speeders exceeding the speed limit in heavy traffic cutting off others and endangering many. I don't call them a "jerk," I call them something much more "descriptive." But those who speed often get caught and are given tickets, lose their licenses, etc. So you pay the consequence. I suppose we could say that someone who shows up at Grande underdressed and is turned away, effectively "gets the speeding ticket." They're "busted." They only become a "jerk" when they insist that the rules don't apply to them. That they should have the "right" to eat in any venue in any dress they choose because it's "their vacation." Then,...yup....in my opinion, they are an arrogant, self centered jerk.

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It is clearly printed in the description of Grande that the dress if Formal. Additionally if a new cruiser looks at "What to Pack," it shows Formal Nights on every length cruise. So, sure there are some who may not "get the word." Or there are some whose luggage doesn't make it. For those people, there is the choice of other dining areas, or simply borrow the jacket. No big deal. But anyone who makes a reservation should see the dress code on the description of the dining room.

 

 

 

Actually it makes them a "criminal." They are breaking the law. They are, in the eyes of the law, putting others in jeopardy. Does it make them a "jerk?" Maybe, maybe not. I have seen speeders exceeding the speed limit in heavy traffic cutting off others and endangering many. I don't call them a "jerk," I call them something much more "descriptive." But those who speed often get caught and are given tickets, lose their licenses, etc. So you pay the consequence. I suppose we could say that someone who shows up at Grande underdressed and is turned away, effectively "gets the speeding ticket." They're "busted." They only become a "jerk" when they insist that the rules don't apply to them. That they should have the "right" to eat in any venue in any dress they choose because it's "their vacation." Then,...yup....in my opinion, they are an arrogant, self centered jerk.

 

That's nice but you are dodging the question of whether those who accuse others of being 'disrespectful jerks' are being equally 'disrespectful jerks' when they violate other rules such as speeding. Obviously, there are many who never exceed the speed limit, always use their turn signals, and never float a stop sign. My point is, one should be very thoughtful and examine one's own behaviors before accusing other of disrespectful behavior when one's own behavior does not satisfy the criteria we set for others.

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Your confusing compliance with the policy with agreement with the policy. Just because some one is coerced into wearing a jacket does not mean they, given a choice, would wear a jacket. Oh, I know, no one is 'coerced' into wearing a jacket. They can always visit the buffet, do room service, etc.

:rolleyes: Yeah, they can visit the buffet, do room service, OR of course do one of the three OTHER main (no upcharge) dining rooms offered as part of Dynamic Dining.

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I really hope rccl starts to enforce the policy and not allow people to dine without proper attire.

 

Like.

 

Your confusing ....
You're confusing ...

 

Grammar aside. If they do not want to wear formal dress, don't go to the formal dress restaurant. Simples.

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That's nice but you are dodging the question of whether those who accuse others of being 'disrespectful jerks' are being equally 'disrespectful jerks' when they violate other rules such as speeding. Obviously, there are many who never exceed the speed limit, always use their turn signals, and never float a stop sign. My point is, one should be very thoughtful and examine one's own behaviors before accusing other of disrespectful behavior when one's own behavior does not satisfy the criteria we set for others.

 

Rocketman, seriously? You are been totally obtuse.

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  • 2 weeks later...
Just off the Quantum. Men must wear a jacket to enter the Grande dining room. No exceptions. Some people we met in the Diamond Club were told Grande will loan you a jacket, but they refused the offer and were denied entry.

 

Excellent news for us :)

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