RJB Posted March 16, 2016 #151 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Since Oceania takes the money for the tickets for children and welcomes them on board I think it is poor taste to say that it is nice they are not seen. I wonder how some would feel if I said it was nice seniors were on board but lucky not seen. I would say that most passengers do not welcome them on board. Also I have not seen any seniors misbehaving and running and carrying on in the restaurants, hallways and the pools. Spin it any way that you want. As you know seniors are not the problem, KIDS can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no fuss travel Posted March 16, 2016 #152 Share Posted March 16, 2016 We had a good one on a South American cruise. He wore a hat with stuffed animals hanging from it, one a penguin with a suction cup. The penguin every time he went into a dining establishment was attached to the nearest window. When at the Terrace he shook the crumbs out of his serviette down to the balcony below, he took a bottle of wine and glass to the hot tub, hidden in a backpack and enjoyed his drinks, he actually played with his yoyo while he was waiting. Sorry, seniors at times can be just as bad as kids at times. No age group is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelcat2 Posted March 16, 2016 #153 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I would say that most passengers do not welcome them on board. Also I have not seen any seniors misbehaving and running and carrying on in the restaurants, hallways and the pools. Spin it any way that you want. As you know seniors are not the problem, KIDS can be. Agree 100%. It is interesting that whenever there is a thread regarding children, some people will inevitably bring up adults, seniors, etc. The thing is, this thread is about children. Anyone can start a thread about seniors or misbehaving adults if you so desire. In the meantime, I'm sticking to the topic. To restate something that seems to have gotten lost in this long thread is that there are some children's programs during school breaks and summer. If someone sails on Oceania during these times and they do not want to encounter children - it was their decision to book at what I feel is the wrong time of the year. We will be traveling this July (something I generally avoid doing) and am prepared that children on the airplane could be unruly (even in Business Class), the airports will be chaotic, etc. While I may not like traveling in the summer, it is my choice and I will force myself not to complain:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wol Posted March 16, 2016 #154 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Agree 100%. It is interesting that whenever there is a thread regarding children, some people will inevitably bring up adults, seniors, etc. The thing is, this thread is about children. Anyone can start a thread about seniors or misbehaving adults if you so desire. In the meantime, I'm sticking to the topic. To restate something that seems to have gotten lost in this long thread is that there are some children's programs during school breaks and summer. If someone sails on Oceania during these times and they do not want to encounter children - it was their decision to book at what I feel is the wrong time of the year. We will be traveling this July (something I generally avoid doing) and am prepared that children on the airplane could be unruly (even in Business Class), the airports will be chaotic, etc. While I may not like traveling in the summer, it is my choice and I will force myself not to complain:o I think you are missing the point, with respect. Nobody hates children. They just do not want their peace to be shattered by unruly behaviour - whether it's from old or - let's face it, more often - young. The choice should not boil down to *when* you book: it's really more about *where* you book. There are plenty of lines - Disney comes immediately to mind - that cater for families and children: there are others such as Oceania which pretty obviouly do not, and the majority on these would not book if they knew their voyage would be ruined by noisy behaviour. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted March 16, 2016 #155 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I think you are missing the point, with respect. Nobody hates children. They just do not want their peace to be shattered by unruly behaviour - whether it's from old or - let's face it, more often - young. The choice should not boil down to *when* you book: it's really more about *where* you book. There are plenty of lines - Disney comes immediately to mind - that cater for families and children: there are others such as Oceania which pretty obviouly do not, and the majority on these would not book if they knew their voyage would be ruined by noisy behaviour. . Your post well written. I think most of us would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wol Posted March 16, 2016 #156 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Your post well written.* I think most of us would agree. * Except for the "obvious" typo! Incidentally I have just seen the headings of the reviews in the 2015 Berlitz "Cruising and cruise ships" for some of the fleet: "Premium country club style for mature-age cruisers" (Marina) "This is an informal premium ship for mature age cruisers" (Regatta) "This premium ship has traditional decor, for mature age cruisers" (Nautica) There must be clues there, somewhere ;) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mura Posted March 17, 2016 #157 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The hints are certainly there. Unfortunately, I suspect most cruisers (especially those new to Oceania) don't check out this site ... How many times do people post here at CC, asking about children ... and then they get slammed. While I admit to being one who isn't happy to see young children on Oceania (we rarely have), if they are well behaved I have no problem with them ... other than sympathy because there just are no programs that would insure they have a good time on a cruise. The parents really should do their homework first to see if Oceania will provide their young children a happy experience. Disney, Cunard, NCL, etc.., DO. Mura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted March 17, 2016 #158 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Reading some reviews on CC I wonder if people even check out Oceania at all before they book complaints of small cabins & bathrooms, mediocre entertainment, expensive excursions, smaller ships the list goes on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janecambridge Posted March 17, 2016 #159 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The original post mentioned a two year old.It isn't the child who is at fault but the parents....Adults...as already mentioned,other passengers do not want to say anything to these adults... How would I find out school holidays for so many different countries when I want to book a cruise? No fuss travel...we must have had the same man on one of our cruises.He was removed from a table of eight and put on a table in the corner next to us.We were isolated in a tight corner.He got out a small doll and placed it against the salt pot and continually talked to it..He had foul loud language....We asked to move because of the language and the maitre-de accused me of descriminating aginst mentally ill people.me...who works with theses people daily!! He was drunk....It was very distressing...Strange how the other diners could get him moved and the maitre-de put him in an isolated table in a corner,facing the wall. I complained as my husband and I were celebrating our anniversary and it completely ruined our evening..we did not complain immediately to the manager of the dining room,but he found out.He looked for us on the ship,apologised and left us two bottles of wine the following evening on our table.Good wine too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted March 17, 2016 #160 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The original post mentioned a two year old.It isn't the child who is at fault but the parents....Adults.A two yr may not know any better but adults are supposed to No fuss travel...we must have had the same man on one of our cruises.He was removed from a table of eight and put on a table in the corner next to us.We were isolated in a tight corner.He got out a small doll and placed it against the salt pot and continually talked to it..He had foul loud language....We asked to move because of the language and the maitre-de accused me of descriminating aginst mentally ill people.me.... Was this person travelling alone? If he was mentally ill then he should not have been on a cruise alone If he was been disruptive he should have been removed from the ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janecambridge Posted March 17, 2016 #161 Share Posted March 17, 2016 We did see him a few times after that,all ways on his own...sometimes people can appear drunk but indeed have something like a motor neurone disease... He certainly drank plenty. Our gripe was the loud foul language and being the only two tables set in the corner,it was upsetting...strange that he was moved from his other table,unless he requested it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Nit Noy Posted March 17, 2016 #162 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) ...we must have had the same man on one of our cruises.He was removed from a table of eight and put on a table in the corner next to us. We were isolated in a tight corner.He got out a small doll and placed it against the salt pot and continually talked to it..He had foul loud language....We asked to move because of the language and the maitre-de accused me of descriminating aginst mentally ill people.me... There are times when things happen that are so outrageous that we don't speak up satisfactorily because we can't fully process what is happening. For a maitre d' to have accused you of discrimination is offensive. Sounds like he was striking back because he realized he'd done a poor job monitoring the behavior of the offender. I'm glad you eventually got an apology via the dining manager. For what it's worth, sharing this stories allows all of us to be somewhat more prepared if and when something like this happens to us. For that, I thank you. Edited March 17, 2016 by Pet Nit Noy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janecambridge Posted March 17, 2016 #163 Share Posted March 17, 2016 For what it's worth, sharing this stories allows all of us to be somewhat more prepared if and when something like this happens to us. For that, I thank you. You are welcome.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no fuss travel Posted March 18, 2016 #164 Share Posted March 18, 2016 The original post mentioned a two year old.It isn't the child who is at fault but the parents....Adults...as already mentioned,other passengers do not want to say anything to these adults...How would I find out school holidays for so many different countries when I want to book a cruise? No fuss travel...we must have had the same man on one of our cruises.He was removed from a table of eight and put on a table in the corner next to us.We were isolated in a tight corner.He got out a small doll and placed it against the salt pot and continually talked to it..He had foul loud language....We asked to move because of the language and the maitre-de accused me of descriminating aginst mentally ill people.me...who works with theses people daily!! He was drunk....It was very distressing...Strange how the other diners could get him moved and the maitre-de put him in an isolated table in a corner,facing the wall. I complained as my husband and I were celebrating our anniversary and it completely ruined our evening..we did not complain immediately to the manager of the dining room,but he found out.He looked for us on the ship,apologised and left us two bottles of wine the following evening on our table.Good wine too... No, his wife was with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000ap1 Posted March 19, 2016 #165 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I could think of a few other things about some of the patrons of the restaurants that annoy me lol , but I think my thoughts are best kept to my self . And some times I just land up with a smile on my face and think hey ho , it's a broad church the great mass of humanity ! In the end it's Oceana that must make the call and suffer any consequences in the long run . If indeed there are any . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted March 19, 2016 #166 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I could think of a few other things about some of the patrons of the restaurants that annoy me lol , but I think my thoughts are best kept to my self . And some times I just land up with a smile on my face and think hey ho , it's a broad church the great mass of humanity ! In the end it's Oceana that must make the call and suffer any consequences in the long run . If indeed there are any . What might be the consequences if they do not correct this problem. The vast majority of their customers do not want kids or misbehaving adults on board, so lest see how many of them stay home if this kind of thing continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiidan Posted March 19, 2016 #167 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Sure - punish all the parents/grandparents who have taken great pains to raise well-behaved and civil children and who want them to have quality travel experiences. There is a reason they are called children.... because they lack the judgment, maturity and manners of an adult. Thrusting a child into an adult environment is something the child is not equipped to cope with. A responsible parent would not , unless because of ego, want to thrust a child into an adult activity. It is absurd to me that an adult would want to thrust a child into a "quality travel" experience for any other reason than to show off to their child, like a dog performing in a dog show. Its not for the childs benfit but the parents and the parents alone..... get real and get honest with the real motivation. You should let the child or person grow into the stage of life when they seek out higher levels of experience. Good old Maslow wrote of this in his"Hierarchy of Needs". Come on ,kids want and need to be kids, not little adults. Thats short changing the child's life. No kid is going to sit around with others his age and dream of having quality travel experiences unless he is warped.....This is all about pleasing the adults not the kids............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000ap1 Posted March 19, 2016 #168 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Bang on Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamkingofall Posted March 23, 2016 #169 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) :mad: I could think of a few other things about some of the patrons of the restaurants that annoy me lol , but I think my thoughts are best kept to my self . And some times I just land up with a smile on my face and think hey ho , it's a broad church the great mass of humanity ! In the end it's Oceana that must make the call and suffer any consequences in the long run . If indeed there are any . Words of wisdom .But come on , tell us how you really feel . :o Edited March 23, 2016 by iamkingofall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Solent Richard Posted March 24, 2016 #170 Share Posted March 24, 2016 We were dining at Chez Jacques last night, and had a not so great experience. This was not because of bad food or service, but because of inconsiderate passengers. We had been seated for about 5 minutes when two young women came in, carrying party decorations. They wanted to drape streamers, crepe paper and balloons around their table and while the Maitre'd said ok, he also said don't do too much, as it would disturb others. The women did a little decorating, and a few minutes later, in walked the rest of their group, including a 2 year old. Well, that's when the fun started. As 2 year olds are known to do, and no one faults the child, he began acting like a toddler, screaming and yelling in a two year old's high pitched voice. Every couple of minutes, he's screech like a howler monkey, and I can tell you, every time I jumped in my chair (our table was next to theirs). When the parents couldn't get him to stop, they gave him the lovely Jacques rolls to toss back and forth----the waiters were busy picking up rolls from the floor. When that got old, they began batting a balloon around the table. And finally, they let Jr run around the tables, while the wait staff were working so hard to serve everyone. The poor Maitre'd was so flustered, he was running around to all the tables, apologizing to everyone. While we were all none too happy, we realized this had nothing to do with the staff, but with a very inconsiderate family who should have realized that a lovely restaurant like Chez Jacques is no place for a balloon party at 7:30 at night with a two year old. What a dreadful experience. I really felt for you and you have my full sympathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Solent Richard Posted March 24, 2016 #171 Share Posted March 24, 2016 What might be the consequences if they do not correct this problem. The vast majority of their customers do not want kids or misbehaving adults on board, so lest see how many of them stay home if this kind of thing continues. P&O have a good answer. Adult only ships. End of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted March 24, 2016 #172 Share Posted March 24, 2016 P&O have a good answer. Adult only ships. End of... How many do they have now that Adonia has moved to Fathom? How formal is the dress code?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypercafe Posted March 24, 2016 #173 Share Posted March 24, 2016 How many do they have now that Adonia has moved to Fathom?How formal is the dress code?? They have three including the Adonia which is a R ship now going to Cuba. Dress is casual except they have a few formal nights with suit or tux for men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted March 24, 2016 #174 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) They have three including the Adonia which is a R ship now going to Cuba. Dress is casual except they have a few formal nights with suit or tux for men. Yea I am aware Adonia is an R-ship but now that itis part of Fathom line I doubt it will still be adults only the formal dress code is not for us thanks for the reply Edited March 24, 2016 by LHT28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypercafe Posted March 24, 2016 #175 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Yea I am aware Adonia is an R-ship but now that itis part of Fathom line I doubt it will still be adults only the formal dress code is not for us thanks for the reply Guess it's tux or kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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