patrick65 Posted April 18, 2016 #101 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Seriously? If you are given a 1/2 billion dollars and told to invest it and earn X% a year for the next 20 years and with a residual value of X $'s when you are ready to sell.......are you telling me that passenger comfort (i.e. a wide promenade) is the #1 goal? It might be a goal, but I can assure you from a corporate perspective, the #1 goal is shareholder return. I can understand this perspective but when HAL has to start to deeply discounting fares in order to fill the ship the bean counters may develop a different perspective. Hal may well have second thoughts once the rotten reviews of this ship start in a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevingastreich Posted April 18, 2016 #102 Share Posted April 18, 2016 The "blocked view" from the lifeboats isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Thanks for the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare eroller Posted April 18, 2016 #103 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I don't know if the general statement that newer ships place spas/gyms low and forward holds up - Anthem and Quantum both have it forward and on high decks. No not all ships, but we are seeing it more than in the past. The new Seaside Class with MSC will also have the gym/spa lower and more forward, and right off the outdoor promenade in this case. Having sailed the Quantum Class, the spa is high up but a huge disappointment. No view. Might as well be low in the ship with no windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare eroller Posted April 18, 2016 #104 Share Posted April 18, 2016 . Hal may well have second thoughts once the rotten reviews of this ship start in a few weeks. The horrible Retreat is a good example of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamflames Posted April 18, 2016 #105 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I can understand this perspective but when HAL has to start to deeply discounting fares in order to fill the ship the bean counters may develop a different perspective. Hal may well have second thoughts once the rotten reviews of this ship start in a few weeks. What do you base this on, I just checked their upcoming sailings for Northern Europe, looks like it has sold very well. Everything I have read so far is primarily positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowPrincess Posted April 18, 2016 #106 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Not exactly what I dream of when I think about a HAL promenade deck, but I'm sure we will adjust. For us, the offset to the less-than-stellar promenade deck will be the specialty dining ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sppunk Posted April 18, 2016 #107 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I can understand this perspective but when HAL has to start to deeply discounting fares in order to fill the ship the bean counters may develop a different perspective. Hal may well have second thoughts once the rotten reviews of this ship start in a few weeks. Funny you say this: Koningsdam's sails lead the fleet by a good margin (price per day, too). The older ships with those lovely open promenades are deeply discounted, not the new one. So it's actually the opposite - sales will bolster the new style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC_GAY_Cruiser Posted April 18, 2016 #108 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Funny you say this: Koningsdam's sails lead the fleet by a good margin (price per day, too). The older ships with those lovely open promenades are deeply discounted, not the new one. So it's actually the opposite - sales will bolster the new style. Well there you go again Sppunk........shhhhhhhhh! If you keep telling the "negative nancy's" how great the ship really is..... we will have then on the ship. And I dont want to have to sit next to them at dinner while they are complaining about 'missing the old times'!!!! Please keep your excitement in check! ;) dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare dogo88 Posted April 18, 2016 #109 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Thanks for the video. Horrible deck. No plans to cruise on this ship. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamflames Posted April 18, 2016 #110 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Thanks for the video. Horrible deck. No plans to cruise on this ship. Dan Phew that's more like it! Was worried today might be the day we got positive on this board. Thanks for restoring order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boytjie Posted April 18, 2016 #111 Share Posted April 18, 2016 I can understand this perspective but when HAL has to start to deeply discounting fares in order to fill the ship the bean counters may develop a different perspective. Hal may well have second thoughts once the rotten reviews of this ship start in a few weeks. A lot of speculation going on... both about what the HAL bean counters are thinking and about the upcoming reviews! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC_GAY_Cruiser Posted April 18, 2016 #112 Share Posted April 18, 2016 A lot of speculation going on... both about what the HAL bean counters are thinking and about the upcoming reviews! :D Well....DUH Peter! We have all been on a cruise before.......we know how to build a better one! dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boytjie Posted April 18, 2016 #113 Share Posted April 18, 2016 well....duh peter! We have all been on a cruise before.......we know how to build a better one! Dave rotflmao! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenphy Posted April 18, 2016 #114 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Phew that's more like it! Was worried today might be the day we got positive on this board. Thanks for restoring order. One of the nicest parts of cruising for us is the final "walk around the promenade deck" after all evening activities -- just before bed. Apparently, we must be the only ones who told HAL how wonderful and romantic that walk is, because they wouldn't have taken it away if more had said they loved it. Could not even walk side by side on parts of the Kdam promenade. How sad another terrific part of cruising is going away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deck chair Posted April 19, 2016 #115 Share Posted April 19, 2016 https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/009097626770/media/30900142965/x-small/1461029872/enhance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamflames Posted April 19, 2016 #116 Share Posted April 19, 2016 One of the nicest parts of cruising for us is the final "walk around the promenade deck" after all evening activities -- just before bed. Apparently, we must be the only ones who told HAL how wonderful and romantic that walk is, because they wouldn't have taken it away if more had said they loved it. Could not even walk side by side on parts of the Kdam promenade. How sad another terrific part of cruising is going away. So you were on kdam? So you tried it and didn't like it? Curious did any of the new additions impress you? I don't have an issue with people being disappointed by promenade but these over the top negative comments without seeing the ship are boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare eroller Posted April 19, 2016 #117 Share Posted April 19, 2016 I don't think it's necessary to sail on every ship to form an opinion and derive if it's suitable for you or not. For instance some people have never set foot on Carnival because they feel it's not for them. Others put their noses up at OASIS OF THE SEAS because they feel she is too big even though she is a wonderful ship. Others may look at the decor of a certain ship and just know they wouldn't want to sail on it for a week. And yes some may watch a video of a practically non-existent promenade deck and decide the ship is not for them. Personally the lack of a promenade won't prevent me from sailing K-dam but I certainly respect those that decide not to. I think a lot of things on K-dam look very appealing but I also feel it was a big mistake for HAL to eliminate the traditional promenade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamflames Posted April 19, 2016 #118 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Thoughts on Kdam from world cruisers who just took a day tour Join Pete and Judy on their FIRST World Cruise on the Amsterdam http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2295499 Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teltrainer Posted April 19, 2016 #119 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Thoughts on Kdam from world cruisers who just took a day tourJoin Pete and Judy on their FIRST World Cruise on the Amsterdam http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2295499 Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk Thank you for sharing this link. It was a great report on their "day" pass to visit the Koningsdam. Wonderful to hear another cruiser's observations. Looking forward to cruising onboard next year!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SetAnOpenCourse Posted April 19, 2016 #120 Share Posted April 19, 2016 I don't think it's necessary to sail on every ship to form an opinion and derive if it's suitable for you or not. For instance some people have never set foot on Carnival because they feel it's not for them. Others put their noses up at OASIS OF THE SEAS because they feel she is too big even though she is a wonderful ship. Others may look at the decor of a certain ship and just know they wouldn't want to sail on it for a week. And yes some may watch a video of a practically non-existent promenade deck and decide the ship is not for them. Personally the lack of a promenade won't prevent me from sailing K-dam but I certainly respect those that decide not to. I think a lot of things on K-dam look very appealing but I also feel it was a big mistake for HAL to eliminate the traditional promenade. Well stated. I don't understand the few on this thread who seem unwilling to accept the priorities that others have for choosing a ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC_GAY_Cruiser Posted April 19, 2016 #121 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Well stated. I don't understand the few on this thread who seem unwilling to accept the priorities that others have for choosing a ship. hey good morning SAOC. I am not sure its so much that I am unwilling to accept the priorities of others, but in some, and NOT all of the writers cases.....there are comments about "this ship is a disaster", "HAL will learn from this mistake", "they will be discounting due to lower bookings". I believe its in the tone the writer is using. And yes, I agree that we can only read words but we each may read the above (in context) of what we like or not. If I go on the RCL chat rooms and make a comment about how stupid it is to have a 1000 young kids on the ship.......God Forbid I would raise the ire of a more than a few passengers. And by the way, I have two adult kids so have been there done that. But I prefer it without there being screaming kids running around unattended. But I am not going into their chat rooms proclaiming NEVER or this ship is a DISASTER. So far there are a number of good reviews on the K'dam, but at the same time, I prefer a review that has the good and the negative comments. Everything can't be the "best ever" or the "worst ever". dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamflames Posted April 19, 2016 #122 Share Posted April 19, 2016 hey good morning SAOC. I am not sure its so much that I am unwilling to accept the priorities of others, but in some, and NOT all of the writers cases.....there are comments about "this ship is a disaster", "HAL will learn from this mistake", "they will be discounting due to lower bookings". I believe its in the tone the writer is using. And yes, I agree that we can only read words but we each may read the above (in context) of what we like or not. If I go on the RCL chat rooms and make a comment about how stupid it is to have a 1000 young kids on the ship.......God Forbid I would raise the ire of a more than a few passengers. And by the way, I have two adult kids so have been there done that. But I prefer it without there being screaming kids running around unattended. But I am not going into their chat rooms proclaiming NEVER or this ship is a DISASTER. So far there are a number of good reviews on the K'dam, but at the same time, I prefer a review that has the good and the negative comments. Everything can't be the "best ever" or the "worst ever". dave Amen Thanks Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertr0se Posted April 19, 2016 #123 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Thank you! Looks narrow in some spots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fourkittys Posted April 21, 2016 #124 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Hello What a horrible promenade deck! Obviously the bean counters decreed no worthwhile promenade deck because it would take away from revenue producing space like up charge dining spots and the like. What a shame. I will never sail on this ship. If you love promenade decks check out the Queen Mary 2. Now that is a fabulous promenade deck! Deck Chair I agree with you 100%. They have ruined the deck. It's only for walking/jogging as there's no room sit let alone see the ocean. Looks very institutional to me, yuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corkpopr Posted April 21, 2016 #125 Share Posted April 21, 2016 I like to read, have a glass of wine, and a cigar covered from the sun. Looks like I am out of luck on the K-Dam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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