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Can anyone with knowledge explain the difference between these storms? I did a search and didn't find anything.

We're sailing out of Galveston Sunday, with a 50% chance of a tropical storm, depression or hurricane! Gaaaaaaaah! Pretty nervous now.


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[url]http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/url]

I dont think you have to worry. First a storm has to form off the coast of Africa. As it drifts west it picks up moisture from the warm ocean and starts to rotate. It is then a tropical depression. Then if the trade wins dont destroy it, it grows larger and becomes a tropical storm. When it gets strong enough with winds over 80 mph it becomes a hurricanre. The depression your hearing about is way out between here and Africa. Even if it formed it probably wouldnt effect you

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NHC.NOAA.GOV doesn't show anything yet but our local channels have been talking about a disturbance over the Yucatan bringing rain to Florida.

A depression is what a TS or Hurricane generally forms from, it will be mostly just a lot of rain, Tropical storms are a depression that has further strengthened with more wind, possibility of tornadoes and heavy rain and hurricane is the next step in the strengthening process and is the spinning cyclone with a visible eye and high wind, heavy rain, tornadoes. Best I can explain it as a Florida native. Keep an eye on the nhc.noaa.gov though, it is a good resource for tracking storms.

We sail out of FLL on Saturday for a Western itinerary and I hope it has moved along by the time we make it to Mexico.

Hope this helps!

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[quote name='tazdeb'][URL]http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/URL]

I dont think you have to worry. First a storm has to form off the coast of Africa. As it drifts west it picks up moisture from the warm ocean and starts to rotate. It is then a tropical depression. Then if the trade wins dont destroy it, it grows larger and becomes a tropical storm. When it gets strong enough with winds over 80 mph it becomes a hurricanre. The depression your hearing about is way out between here and Africa. Even if it formed it probably wouldnt effect you[/quote]

I think she is talking about the disturbance over the Yucatan, it has been all over the weather here but has not formed anything yet and is not showing even as a possibility on the NOAA website but our local forecasters believe it will somewhat develop and move North or West.

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[quote name='wednesday']I think she is talking about the disturbance over the Yucatan, it has been all over the weather here but has not formed anything yet and is not showing even as a possibility on the NOAA website but our local forecasters believe it will somewhat develop and move North or West.[/QUOTE]


Yes, the Yucatán disturbance. We are sailing a western Caribbean route (Coz, Grand Cayman & Falmouth).


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[quote name='wednesday']NHC.NOAA.GOV doesn't show anything yet but our local channels have been talking about a disturbance over the Yucatan bringing rain to Florida.

A depression is what a TS or Hurricane generally forms from, it will be mostly just a lot of rain, Tropical storms are a depression that has further strengthened with more wind, possibility of tornadoes and heavy rain and hurricane is the next step in the strengthening process and is the spinning cyclone with a visible eye and high wind, heavy rain, tornadoes. Best I can explain it as a Florida native. Keep an eye on the nhc.noaa.gov though, it is a good resource for tracking storms.

We sail out of FLL on Saturday for a Western itinerary and I hope it has moved along by the time we make it to Mexico.

Hope this helps![/QUOTE]


Thanks!! Living is Kansas, we don't know a lot about tropical weather.


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It is not showing up on the NOAA 2 day forecast because it isn't expected to develop in the next 48 hours, but if you change to 5 day it shows up there.

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Cruise is June 18-25.


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So...if a ship, doing the itinerary we are, were rerouted to avoid a storm, what ports MIGHT it visit. I understand this is very hypothetical, just wondering if more seasoned cruisers might have a guess.


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[quote name='jessandtwo']It is not showing up on the NOAA 2 day forecast because it isn't expected to develop in the next 48 hours, but if you change to 5 day it shows up there.[/quote]

Good to know, it's late and I didn't think to look past the landing page when I didn't see an area of possible development on the map.

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[quote name='CCC3']Thanks!! Living is Kansas, we don't know a lot about tropical weather.


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Unfortunately all too familiar with it being born and raised in Florida. My husband and I built our first house in 2004 and got hit 4 times that year! :rolleyes:

Sorry I can't help with the port scenarios.

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[quote name='CCC3']So...if a ship, doing the itinerary we are, were rerouted to avoid a storm, what ports MIGHT it visit. I understand this is very hypothetical, just wondering if more seasoned cruisers might have a guess.


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In this case the itinerary could be completed by reversing the order you visit the ports. Worst case they may drop a port and substitute a sea day.

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[quote name='tazdeb'][URL]http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/URL]

I dont think you have to worry. [B]First a storm has to form off the coast of Africa[/B]. As it drifts west it picks up moisture from the warm ocean and starts to rotate. It is then a tropical depression. Then if the trade wins dont destroy it, it grows larger and becomes a tropical storm. When it gets strong enough with winds over 80 mph it becomes a hurricanre. The depression your hearing about is way out between here and Africa. Even if it formed it probably wouldnt effect you[/quote]
Wrong!

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Depending on when there[I] may[/I] be development and precisely [I]where[/I], I would think the only port that could be impacted is Cozumel. Since it is in the eastern edge of the area of development that may not be a big risk. But then again we are talking about Mom Nature!:D


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[quote name='tazdeb']I dont think you have to worry. First a storm has to form off the coast of Africa. As it drifts west it picks up moisture from the warm ocean and starts to rotate. It is then a tropical depression. Then if the trade wins dont destroy it, it grows larger and becomes a tropical storm. When it gets strong enough with winds over 80 mph it becomes a hurricanre. The depression your hearing about is way out between here and Africa. Even if it formed it probably wouldnt effect you[/quote]

This is sooo sooo wrong that you can't let it pass as fact.


A storm doesn't have to form off the coast of Africa. They can form anywhere, including over Latin America like the one the OP is talking about. It is true that a LOT of tropical weather starts off the coast of Africa, it's not the only factor and it certainly doesn't mean the Gulf of Mexico is clear.

[QUOTE]A tropical depression forms when a low pressure area is accompanied by thunderstorms that produce a circular wind flow with maximum sustained winds below 39 mph. Most tropical depressions have maximum sustained winds between 25 and 35 mph.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]An upgrade into a tropical storm occurs when cyclonic circulation becomes more organized and maximum sustained winds gust consistently at or above 39 mph, and no higher than 73 mph. Tropical storm status is when the naming of the storm takes place.[/QUOTE]

Hurricanes come into play when the maximum sustained winds go above 73mph.

Category 1 = 74 to 95
Category 2 = 96 to 110
Category 3 = 111 to 130
Category 4 = 131 to 155
Category 5 = 156 and up

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This is the Gulf disturbance the OP is referring to:

[URL]https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/odds-increasing-gulf-mexico-tropical-storm-next-week[/URL]


The good news is that the captain will sail around the storm. The only real factors will be if the storm is directly impacting Galveston or your port city/cities.

The way this article reads, you should be fine. It hasn't formed yet and isn't expected to be a strong storm, just tons of rain. It also appears to have a general track that goes away from your homeport and your destination ports.

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Thank you all so much! I've had rainy cruises before, and rough seas...but the "tropical storm," and "hurricane" thing scare me!


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[quote name='tazdeb'][URL]http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/URL]

I dont think you have to worry. First a storm has to form off the coast of Africa[/quote]


Do the storms know the rules?

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[quote name='CCC3']Thank you all so much! I've had rainy cruises before, and rough seas...but the "tropical storm," and "hurricane" thing scare me!


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No problem. As an Ohio transplant to Florida, it was quite a change for me as well.

I'll tell you this... a tropical depression isn't even close to being as scary as some heavy Midwest Thunder Boomer storms with their crazy lightning and tornado potential. Don't even worry until it becomes a strong Tropical Storm.

TD and light TS aren't much to write home about.

I can tell you that most Floridians don't even start pillaging the grocery stores and emptying the gas stations until it hits a borderline Cat 2/Cat 3 Hurricane. One year they didn't even cancel MOST of the schools for a Cat 1 that was heading our way. I think a few on the direct coast did, but I'm only 40-ish miles inland and life was business as usual for us.

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Hope I didn't come across as rude when I said it was on the 5 day not the 2 day track. I couldn't figure out why it wasn't showing when I knew I had seen it earlier. I've been watching it becaue of travel plans and when I couldn't see it on the above link, I couldn't figure out why it had disappeared. So apologies if I was short or rude. I shouldn't post late at night!

To the OP, hopefully it won't cause any problems for your ports. I have had itineraries altered due to hurricanes in the past and honestly it was no biggie for us, but I understand that for some people with specific plans for a port (like weddings, etc) it can be a very big deal. In the instances where we've had changes we've had either an alternate itinerary (like they'd do the Roatan/Costa Maya route instead of Grand Cayman/Jamaica) or they reversed the order of the ports (like instead of Cozumel being first it ends up last). They will tell you as soon as they know if they have to alter the itinerary.

Are you driving or flying?

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We are driving to Galveston. And I am not opposed to different ports, and would LOVE a port I haven't been to!! And I didn't take your response as rude at all!! I welcome anyone w/experiences sharing!! It's all good!


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[quote name='jessandtwo']Hope I didn't come across as rude when I said it was on the 5 day not the 2 day track. I couldn't figure out why it wasn't showing when I knew I had seen it earlier. I've been watching it becaue of travel plans and when I couldn't see it on the above link, I couldn't figure out why it had disappeared. So apologies if I was short or rude. I shouldn't post late at night!

To the OP, hopefully it won't cause any problems for your ports. I have had itineraries altered due to hurricanes in the past and honestly it was no biggie for us, but I understand that for some people with specific plans for a port (like weddings, etc) it can be a very big deal. In the instances where we've had changes we've had either an alternate itinerary (like they'd do the Roatan/Costa Maya route instead of Grand Cayman/Jamaica) or they reversed the order of the ports (like instead of Cozumel being first it ends up last). They will tell you as soon as they know if they have to alter the itinerary.

Are you driving or flying?[/quote]

No not rude at all, so no worries. I was just so tired I did not think to look at those and I am well versed with the NOAA website.

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For those of you that follow tropical weather, below is a link to my favorite site:
[URL]http://www.spaghettimodels.com/[/URL]

There is also the National Hurricane Center at this link: [URL]http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/URL]

If I had a cruise planned anytime in the next two weeks in the GoM or Caribbean, I would be following these sites closely, and take a very big and strong umbrella with us. Any cruise ship is going to avoid sailing into a tropical storm or hurricane, but that does not mean that you will have either a smooth or dry cruise. The entire Gulf of Mexico could be one big tropical downpour next week. A little too early to tell the areas of main concern, but anywhere in the GoM, and later the eastern Caribbean, is at risk.

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We're watching it because we're in the Houston area but it's not getting a lot of airtime yet. I usually don't get worried until the local emergency management authorities start talking about it.

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[quote name='lbjen']We're watching it because we're in the Houston area but it's not getting a lot of airtime yet. I usually don't get worried until the local emergency management authorities start talking about it.[/quote]
The blob near the Yucatan will be in the GoM next week, but where it goes is wide open (Mexico to Florida). Regardless of where the center (if one develops) goes, it is expected to have a very large rain field. I live in Houston also so I always keep an eye on these things. Been through enough tropical weather events, not looking forward to the next one whenever that day may come. As for cruise ships from Galveston, they are headed straight towards it. Since the area of uncertainty is so large, I don't know where the various ship Captains will want to go the next two weeks. Not many choices out of Galveston. The next 5-10 days will be interesting.

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We're doing western Caribbean on Oasis out of PC. I know it would never happen but I can just imagine our cruise getting diverted to Galveston while our car gets left behind in PC!

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[quote name='lbjen']We're doing western Caribbean on Oasis out of PC. I know it would never happen but I can just imagine our cruise getting diverted to Galveston while our car gets left behind in PC![/quote]
I think it was Ike that diverted cruises from Galveston to New Orleans, and the cruise line provided transportation back to Galveston.

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[quote name='clarea']I think it was Ike that diverted cruises from Galveston to New Orleans, and the cruise line provided transportation back to Galveston.[/quote]

It was Hurricane Ike that caused extensive damage to Galveston, and to the Port, not to mention the entire greater Houston area. We live about 75 car miles north of Galveston (very close to IAH) and we were without power for 5 days and we were one of the lucky ones. BTW - - As I remember, most of the cars that were parked in the Cruise Terminal area were flooded and likely total losses.

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[quote name='CCC3']Thank you all so much! I've had rainy cruises before, and rough seas...but the "tropical storm," and "hurricane" thing scare me!


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I think you might be more concerned about tornadoes being from mid-west. Ship captains will not endanger their ship, crew, passengers. Not to worry.

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The latest from the NHC: [URL]http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5[/URL]

It will be interesting where the departing ships from Galveston will be headed. I image that all the Galveston Ships leaving today and tomorrow will not be going to their previously planned destinations.

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[quote name='Snit13']I think you might be more concerned about tornadoes being from mid-west. Ship captains will not endanger their ship, crew, passengers. Not to worry.[/QUOTE]


As a native Kansan, I'm far more concerned with weather I don't know, than the weather I do know, and how it might/will affect my vacation starting tomorrow...but thank you.


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The cruise lines make the most of their revenue in sunny skies (alcohol, ports, etc.). The captain will divert as much as possible to ensure everyone has a great time. I saw earlier today that Cozumel and Jamaica were in the 50% to 80% rain forecast, Caymans not as bad.

If the storm is bad in one of the ports, they may try to re-route to another port. There would be a mad dash to re-schedule excursions but that would be better for the cruise line than everyone cancelling and staying onboard.

We live in Houston as well - survived tropical storms, power outages up to 2 weeks, multiple hurricanes...besides, what's a small tropical depression among friends, right?

Looking forward to a great cruise regardless of the weather.

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[quote name='sptrout'] Any cruise ship is going to avoid sailing into a tropical storm or hurricane, but that does not mean that you will have either a smooth or dry cruise.[B] The entire Gulf of Mexico could be one big tropical downpour next week. [/B]A little too early to tell the areas of main concern, but anywhere in the GoM, and later the eastern Caribbean, is at risk.[/quote]

I am on the same cruise as the OP, and this would be SO hugely disappointing. I've only been on one cruise, in January 2014, and a big cold front barreled down from the north and made it all the way to the Caribbean, upshot was it was cloudy, cold and rainy for 6 of the 7 days. Cozumel and Belize were drenched, and they canceled Roatan because of choppy seas.

Everyone had encouraged me to go on a cruise because of all the fun in the sun, and I got none of it, $4,000 flushed down the drain and you don't get any kind of refund even though you had no fun and the same cruise the week before had perfect weather and a far better experience.

I was told then that it was just terrible luck, that a front like that happens once every five years, and not to get discouraged about cruising. I'm not worried about the captain sailing us into a hurricane, I know that won't happen, nor do i mind flash thunderstorms that drench you for an hour or two then clear up, but if the storm creates a blanket of never ending clouds and rain on our cruise route, it is going to be just the worst. What will they tell, me, you got ungodly bad luck twice? :(

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I'm trying to stay positive. Our first cruise rained at some point or another every day.


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[quote name='CCC3']I'm trying to stay positive. Our first cruise rained at some point or another every day.


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Your are setting a good example! :D

I sure wouldn't mind rain *at some point* every day, as long as there are other times during the day when it's sunny. What I fear is what I got on my only other cruise - blanket of clouds/rain all day long.

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Captains usually do a good job of keeping the ship out of a hurricane. I will say that the two times we were supposed to go to Grand Cayman there was a last minute change.... once it was because of a hurricane and the other was heavy winds. You tender to shore there so if the winds are strong, they likely will not go there. It has been a few years, I don't think they have a pier. Not sure if they will replace that stop with another... they did not do that for us... just a sea day.. I remember one cruise when we were being chased by hurricane Dennis.... we had to go around Cuba to head towards Miami.... when we woke up in the morning and checked the navigation channel on the TV, I swear we were going faster than the top speed the Captain had told us the ship could do. I speculated that they must have been throwing stuff off the ship to increase our speed. Well we successfully out ran the storm. And it made a good story. I have a tendency towards sea sickness... but had no problems on most of our stormy sailings..... We had a great time regardless of the weather... so much to do on the ship.

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I am cruising out of Galveston tomorrow. Every cruise I have been on up until now has had great weather. If the storm gets worse, I hope we get diverted to someplace sunny. My husband and I are determined to make the best of whatever happens. We might spend more time sampling new drinks, dancing at a club, or doing things indoors, but we will make it fun.

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I wonder if Royal Caribbean will activate or utilize their new meteorologist?

Link:

[URL]https://www.royalcaribbeanpresscenter.com/video/919/keeping-an-eye-on-the-radar-royal-caribbean-signs-on-first-chief-meteorologist/[/URL]

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[quote name='tazdeb'][URL]http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/[/URL]

I dont think you have to worry. First a storm has to form off the coast of Africa. As it drifts west it picks up moisture from the warm ocean and starts to rotate. It is then a tropical depression. Then if the trade wins dont destroy it, it grows larger and becomes a tropical storm. When it gets strong enough with winds over 80 mph it becomes a hurricanre. The depression your hearing about is way out between here and Africa. Even if it formed it probably wouldnt effect you[/quote]

I'm in Central Florida. I have experienced many severe storms that formed in the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico. While most severe hurricanes do form off of the coast of Africa, not all do.

Watch the news, and watch your email and communication with the cruise line.

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