Gonzo70 Posted July 17, 2017 #26 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Follow up to my post above. The 'new' burgers ARE Kobe Beef so MUCH better quality. Not saying this makes things right, just the way it is. Off to Oceanview Cafe to get the free burgers lol They absolutely are NOT serving Kobe beef. Kobe beef is EXTREMELY rare outside of Japan and EXTREMELY expensive (would cost Celebrity about $300 in cost for each individual 8oz burger). Kobe beef is also too high in fat content to be the proper ratio for a burger. In the US several restaurants were successfully sued for calling meat Kobe beef that was not (under the guise of false advertising). Only approximately a dozen venues in the US serve Kobe beef - it is that rare outside of Japan. For now in the US it is OK to call items "American Kobe" or "Kobe Style" (usually more marketing gimmicks than meaningful terms), but not OK to call something simply "Kobe beef." Not sure if Celebrity is oblivious that what they are doing is considered (at least in the US) to be false advertising or if they are doing this purposely in a deceitful marketing campaign. It is the equivalent of their on-board jewelry store calling something diamonds that is actually cubic zirconia. Hopefully the burger at the new venue is significantly better than the prior "free" burger (which I found inedible); good burgers are actually a deal at $10 (my favorite burger in my neighborhood costs $20 - and that does not include tax or gratuity), but so long as Celebrity is falsely referring to it as Kobe beef I will stay far, far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaos28 Posted July 17, 2017 #27 Share Posted July 17, 2017 The placard sign states "dry aged Kobe beef" w/homemade brioche bun They absolutely are NOT serving Kobe beef. Kobe beef is EXTREMELY rare outside of Japan and EXTREMELY expensive (would cost Celebrity about $300 in cost for each individual 8oz burger). Kobe beef is also too high in fat content to be the proper ratio for a burger. In the US several restaurants were successfully sued for calling meat Kobe beef that was not (under the guise of false advertising). Only approximately a dozen venues in the US serve Kobe beef - it is that rare outside of Japan. For now in the US it is OK to call items "American Kobe" or "Kobe Style" (usually more marketing gimmicks than meaningful terms), but not OK to call something simply "Kobe beef." Not sure if Celebrity is oblivious that what they are doing is considered (at least in the US) to be false advertising or if they are doing this purposely in a deceitful marketing campaign. It is the equivalent of their on-board jewelry store calling something diamonds that is actually cubic zirconia. Hopefully the burger at the new venue is significantly better than the prior "free" burger (which I found inedible); good burgers are actually a deal at $10 (my favorite burger in my neighborhood costs $20 - and that does not include tax or gratuity), but so long as Celebrity is falsely referring to it as Kobe beef I will stay far, far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo70 Posted July 17, 2017 #28 Share Posted July 17, 2017 The placard sign states "dry aged Kobe beef" w/homemade brioche bun They are either lying or completely clueless. I can guarantee you it is NOT Kobe beef. They'd be losing about $290 per burger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaos28 Posted July 17, 2017 #29 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Fries and/or onion rings are included 8 Oz. Burger (6 choices or build your own burger) $9.95 4 oz. burger 4.95 lettuce tomato cheddar Buckhead Kobe beef hot dog $9.95! That seems crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimace95120 Posted July 17, 2017 #30 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Gonzo70 is more than correct. Hopefully its just a poor choice of words on Celebritys' part, not an outright known falsehood. Although, I'd have to say that their Supply Chain people in procurement know exactly what they've contracted from the suppliers so is it just a "wording mistake?".So many restaurants throw the words Kobe beef around, its just not true. Kobe "style" is even pushing it....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsf Posted July 17, 2017 #31 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I used to love the Turkey burgers at the Mast Grill, what about them? J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimace95120 Posted July 17, 2017 #32 Share Posted July 17, 2017 "The placard sign states "dry aged Kobe beef" w/homemade brioche bun" The other word that always makes me laugh is "homemade". Whos' home is that brioche bun made in anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo70 Posted July 17, 2017 #33 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Fries and/or onion rings are included 8 Oz. Burger (6 choices or build your own burger) $9.95 4 oz. burger 4.95 lettuce tomato cheddar Buckhead Kobe beef hot dog $9.95! That seems crazy Buckhead Beef is a Florida company that procures their Kobe-Style beef from Snake River Farms (this very well might be where Celebrity's burgers and hotdogs for the new venue are being sourced from). Snake River's website even cautions that their meat is NOT to be called Kobe beef without a disclaimer that it is just Kobe-Style. This might very well be good quality beef Celebrity is using, but they need to change the name to something other than Kobe beef ASAP. http://www.snakeriverfarms.com/american-kobe-beef.html?p=3 This might be what they are serving: http://www.snakeriverfarms.com/american-kobe-beef/burgers-and-dogs/american-kobe-hamburger-patties.html http://www.snakeriverfarms.com/american-kobe-beef/burgers-and-dogs/american-kobe-hot-dogs.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaos28 Posted July 17, 2017 #34 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Interesting. So the venue didn't get a "face-lift", the product just became a "for fee" offering?. Tommy D3, did the crew make mention of this change at all, or were you just left to your own devices to figure it out? No face lift, same spot on ship. No 'mention' by the crew, just a placard with price and types of burgers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matondo Posted July 17, 2017 #35 Share Posted July 17, 2017 :( I loved the Mast Grill where you could grab a burger in your bathing suit. Oh well....one venue I can remove from my have to list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbeergut Posted July 17, 2017 #36 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Hopefully, no one will want to pay $5/$10 for a hamburger or $10 for a hot dog. Perhaps after a few months of slow sales, Celebrity will revert back to the free burgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 4cats4me Posted July 17, 2017 #37 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I've made a decision. I'm not going to "buy" a burger even with our OBC. It's the principle. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrk2cruise Posted July 17, 2017 #38 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I don't know if this was covered in the other thread on the changes to the mast bar. If you are in a suite which includes unlimited specialty dining is the up-charge for the burger or hot dog waived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyD3 Posted July 17, 2017 Author #39 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Interesting. So the venue didn't get a "face-lift", the product just became a "for fee" offering?. Tommy D3, did the crew make mention of this change at all, or were you just left to your own devices to figure it out? Advertised as part of an insert in the Celebrity Today the first night. Went by at lunch to confirm. Tried to post a picture of the menu but Photobucket no longer supports free hosting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEZMARYLOU Posted July 17, 2017 #40 Share Posted July 17, 2017 As I posted in the earlier thread on Constellation's change to a paid venue, if I have to stand in line to order, then try to find a table, (especially on the S Class) then get up to get my burger & my DH's since he will be guarding the table, get my wine, etc. etc. etc., just not interested even if the burger is included in the unlimited specialty dining that comes with a RS and above.:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo1953 Posted July 17, 2017 #41 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Well, understanding the price of 'Kobe' meat, it is obvious and the attendant information may support it too, these burgers are not 100% Kobe, but a % is, or at least to me OR as stated before 'Kobe' style, which is a whole different discussion altogether and how to present it to the passengers in terms of proper description. Not even going to speculate on the % either, not an issue. Just like Micky D's 1/4#'s, that is pre-cooked weight. On and on. For those who do not want to pay for an 'upscale' burger, then OVC is the place to go, no additional charge and that is great. Apparently it is catching on and to be delicious (with or without seating in the burger bar area). bon voyage Edited July 17, 2017 by Bo1953 syntax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickT Posted July 17, 2017 #42 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Sea days will never be the same.... :loudcry::loudcry: I don't mind X "adding" new "for a price" items but to remove a favourite and replace it will be hard to swallow (unlike the mast burgers which were delicious). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo1953 Posted July 17, 2017 #43 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Sea days will never be the same.... :loudcry::loudcry: I don't mind X "adding" new "for a price" items but to remove a favourite and replace it will be hard to swallow (unlike the mast burgers which were delicious). r - technically, they did not 'remove' those burgers, but 'moved' them to the OVC. Granted they are not 'freshly' grilled, and I presume one can order a fresh grilled one, but they are still available for public consumption. bon voyage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deliver42 Posted July 17, 2017 #44 Share Posted July 17, 2017 And this is a surprise to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mek Posted July 17, 2017 #45 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I'll be on Equinox next month. On sea days, I'll be a captive and will have to eat ship food, but the up-charges will make it easier to justify having lunch in port. I can live a week without a burger, and with the exception of Guy's on Carnival, most burgers on cruises are terrible, so it's nothing I'll be too upset about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare villauk Posted July 17, 2017 #46 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Advertised as part of an insert in the Celebrity Today the first night. Went by at lunch to confirm. Tried to post a picture of the menu but Photobucket no longer supports free hosting.... Is this going fleetwide and if so, when? Or perhaps it's already happened :confused:? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruise47 Posted July 17, 2017 #47 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Currently onboard Equinox.Mast grill is now extra cost just like the post dry dock change to Constellation. $10 for 1/2 lbs and $5 for 1/4 lbs !!! To the OP, are peoples buying this new burger on your cruise in large numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare shipshape sam Posted July 17, 2017 #48 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Currently onboard Equinox.Mast grill is now extra cost just like the post dry dock change to Constellation. $10 for 1/2 lbs and $5 for 1/4 lbs !!! Is there any area that does not now have a surcharge/upcharge option excluding the buffet? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo70 Posted July 17, 2017 #49 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Well, understanding the price of 'Kobe' meat, it is obvious and the attendant information may support it too, these burgers are not 100% Kobe, but a % is, or at least to me OR as stated before 'Kobe' style, which is a whole different discussion altogether and how to present it to the passengers in terms of proper description. Not even going to speculate on the % either, not an issue. Just like Micky D's 1/4#'s, that is pre-cooked weight. On and on. For those who do not want to pay for an 'upscale' burger, then OVC is the place to go, no additional charge and that is great. Apparently it is catching on and to be delicious (with or without seating in the burger bar area). bon voyage Bo, it is 0% Kobe beef and I say that with 100% certainty. And it is an issue; it is like a watch vendor selling and calling something a Rolex that is a far inferior knockoff. Edited July 17, 2017 by Gonzo70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokare Posted July 17, 2017 #50 Share Posted July 17, 2017 And how long will they be at the buffet-this trip, next or do they just go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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