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14 hours ago, HBE4 said:

 

For the same reason you think people  are entitled to a non-smoking casino. 

Health and safety?

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17 hours ago, Don'tNeedAName said:

 

Is it fair to require someone to take a phone call outside of a movie theater instead of inside?  Would it be unfair for the theater to remove a customer who would not stop talking on his phone in the theater?  Society places restrictions on these things all the time, and it is certainly fair to ask people to take reasonable steps (such as going outside) to partake in certain activities.

 

By your un-ironic use of a term like SJW, I can tell we will likely never agree on this, and if you are insinuating that I am a SJW, you are incorrect.  Using your logic, smokers are the ones who want things their way "to make THEM happy"--forget the consequences to anyone else.

 

However, you are missing the point.  It has nothing to do with making people "happy."  Secondhand smoke is dangerous.  That is a fact.  It is absolutely fair to place restrictions on the place and manner in which people choose to engage in dangerous activities that put others at risk.

 

Racing in the wrong environment (public streets) is dangerous; if people want to race, they can take it to a track.  This allows safe enjoyment of public streets, and it is fair because it doesn't prohibit racers from using public streets.  Similarly, prohibiting smoking indoors allows for safe enjoyment of indoor common areas, and it is fair because it does not prohibit smokers from enjoying those areas where smoking indoors is prohibited.

 

Although the impact of secondhand smoke may not be as immediate as some other examples, it exists nonetheless.  Of course, another significant difference is that other dangerous activities like racing or shooting guns can be done safely.  There is no way to smoke safely.

 

I am just saying, that these days, everything is NOT FAIR, if it does against what THAT person wants.

 

I am not saying that smokers can smoke anywhere.  But that making the ONLY place to smoke being outdoors is not fair to THEM.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sitzmark said:

Health and safety?

 

I was thinking more along the lines of having the right to enjoy a legal product, in a way that has 0% impact on non-smokers.

 

And yet, non-smokers still object to something that does not impact them (the in-door smoking lounge)

 

Why?    SJW?

 

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6 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

 

I was thinking more along the lines of having the right to enjoy a legal product, in a way that has 0% impact on non-smokers.

 

But second hand smoke does have a measurable negative impact on non smokers.  It does deprive non smokers of the usage of these spaces.  Not being permitted to smoke there does not deny smokers the use of the space, only the privilege of smoking in the space.  As to enjoying a legal product, it may be legal for now but it is regulated.  It is on it's way to becoming illegal in many places.   I'm sure you know this and further refusal to accept it on your part is simply trolling.

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6 minutes ago, Sitzmark said:

But second hand smoke does have a measurable negative impact on non smokers.  It does deprive non smokers of the usage of these spaces.  Not being permitted to smoke there does not deny smokers the use of the space, only the privilege of smoking in the space.  As to enjoying a legal product, it may be legal for now but it is regulated.  It is on it's way to becoming illegal in many places.   I'm sure you know this and further refusal to accept it on your part is simply trolling.

 

Not trolling. Go back and re-read what I wrote.

 

My posts have been about creating an indoor smoking lounge near the casino so smokers can enjoy their product without impacting non-smokers.

 

As a non-smoker who grew up in a smoking family, I'm well aware of the health impact. There are many studies out there.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

My posts have been about creating an indoor smoking lounge near the casino so smokers can enjoy their product without impacting non-smokers.

 

I think this is a great idea, even if it had some slot machines too, but could also greatly reduce smoke in other adjacent venues. 

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2 hours ago, ShillyShally said:

I think this is a great idea, even if it had some slot machines too, but could also greatly reduce smoke in other adjacent venues. 

 

I see this all over the place in Asia.  Literally: smoking rooms.  Want to smoke waiting for a flight connection in Narita?  Off to the smoker's room with you.  It's isolated from the rest of the terminal. 

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3 minutes ago, mk-ultra said:

 

I see this all over the place in Asia.  Literally: smoking rooms.  Want to smoke waiting for a flight connection in Narita?  Off to the smoker's room with you.  It's isolated from the rest of the terminal. 

Yep we saw this in the Aruba airport too and I've noticed it at some other airports - they always seem to be busy too!

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4 hours ago, ShillyShally said:

Yep we saw this in the Aruba airport too and I've noticed it at some other airports - they always seem to be busy too!

Detroit metro used to have them too.  Now they have to go back past security and smoke outside.

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10 hours ago, Oceans4 said:

To clarify....not hanging clothes on the railing - clothes are clipped to the back of the lounger or chairs on the balcony, so nobody could see them at all, and it's how I dry bathing suits and our washed gym clothes.  You are  not comparing apples at all with that statement!    And it's a double-edged sword - if my clothes didn't reek of cigarette smoke, I wouldn't have to put them outside at all!   

Just so we are clear, you are not supposed to leave laundry unattended on a balcony. Since I simply said, "at least they are following the rules," then yes I am comparing apples to apples. 

 

It's not to be rude, but there is an option, and that is not to go into the casino if smokers are there. During peak times, on most ships (not Oasis class for me) I cannot hang out there. Every since I quit smoking, I have been a little too sensitive to a lot of it in my face. So I wait until later in the night, or on the Oasis class I am okay on the non smoking side, even during peak times. Just like me, it your choice to go in or not. 

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I am a non-smoker with asthma.  I believe people should be able to smoke when cruising.  When I have to avoid the venues next door and up the atrium, isn't this a bit much?  I haven't been on a Royal Carribean ship for a couple of years and I am regretting that I booked the Radiance for this summer. Princess and Celebrity sails with full ships and eliminated or decreased smoking inside so why can't Royal? 

 

I am not even suggesting to get rid of smoking in inside venues.  I am saying why can't it be contained so I can go in a cinema or the show? Again, why can't the smoke be more contained on these ships? So I don't have to walk up 2 flights of stairs to get around it and that was before there was a big issue of the smoke getting in the Atrium.

 

I would think the smokers would want to give Royal constructive criticism on containing the inside smoke since I would think this would be in their best interest.

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I am sure it is because Royal Caribbean doesn't want to lose any casino revenue.  When they have a large indoor smoking area on their ships (the casino) lots of smokers go there just to smoke, so maybe they will also gamble.  They don't want someone who is spending lots of money gambling to get up and leave to have a smoke.

 

But RC fails to appreciate that some people like me would take more cruises with them, would not be looking at other lines like Princess and Holland (that have better smoking policies), and be looking at other venues.  I am currently trying to decide if I want to out up with the smoke and take another RC cruise, go on a Princess or Holland, or maybe a vacation at a resort.

 

Thanks, 

Joie

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Well for all you RCL lovers who don't like smoke - hang in there.

 

The word is smoking will not be allowed in the casino in 2020.

 

In 2021 the only place you'll be able to smoke on Voyager & Freedom class ships will be on deck 12 on a small portion of the deck on the port side.

 

Those of us that smoke are literally a dying breed and RCL is heading for a totally non-smoking ship in the next few years.

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On 1/20/2018 at 4:11 PM, cltnccruisers said:

We've sailed on RC a few times and thoroughly enjoyed the experience except for the heavy smoke in the casinos. We're trying Celebrity this March solely because the casino (and most of the ship) is smoke free. Someone recently on FOS told me he'd been told RC is considering going smoke free in its casinos. Has anyone else heard this?

That is one of the reasons we prefer Celebrity!  No smoking inside anywhere. ( plus their service has been fabulous).

We will be returning to RCL in June sailing on AOS.  I would LOVE if the casino was smoke free!

I know losing customers is a concern - but Celebrity is still thriving with non smoking casino.

 

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35 minutes ago, mattpro said:

Well for all you RCL lovers who don't like smoke - hang in there.

 

The word is smoking will not be allowed in the casino in 2020.

 

In 2021 the only place you'll be able to smoke on Voyager & Freedom class ships will be on deck 12 on a small portion of the deck on the port side.

 

Those of us that smoke are literally a dying breed and RCL is heading for a totally non-smoking ship in the next few years.

We don't smoke and are on Adventure, March, 2020.  Can you tell us more about your source?  This is great news!!!!

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I wouldn't get too excited.  If you scroll back about a year, you'll see the rumor that Royal was going smoke-free for 2019.  Whoops.  Perhaps more wishful thinking than anything else.  

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19 minutes ago, newsanchor said:

I wouldn't get too excited.  If you scroll back about a year, you'll see the rumor that Royal was going smoke-free for 2019.  Whoops.  Perhaps more wishful thinking than anything else.  

 

It's coming - we just don't know when yet. Hopefully sooner than later.

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11 minutes ago, The Sunset Glow said:

 

It's coming - we just don't know when yet. Hopefully sooner than later.

More places are going smoke free all the time.  It's a movement that is picking up more speed.  Disney just announced that all of it's parks in the US are going to be smoke free.  fewer people are smoking every year.  

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29 minutes ago, Sitzmark said:

More places are going smoke free all the time.  It's a movement that is picking up more speed.  Disney just announced that all of it's parks in the US are going to be smoke free.  fewer people are smoking every year.  

 

It's great see more and more places restricting smoking.😊

 

I believe in the U.S. there are no federal laws pertaining to cigarette smoking and it's left up to individual states to set them? If there were federal laws do you think RCI would have to change their policy for US based sailings like they do in UK and Australia?

 

Here in Canada the federal government imposed laws to ban all indoor smoking years ago and then provinces and municipalities can impose even stricter laws. Where I live there's no smoking within 30 feet of any doors or opening windows, on patios, bus stops, public parks and sports fields, or even vehicles with children in them. I'm just not used to cigarette smoke so the casino smoke on the ships really gets to me. We would have probably switched to Celebrity but they don't have FlowRiders for my hubby 😏

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3 hours ago, mattpro said:

Well for all you RCL lovers who don't like smoke - hang in there.

 

The word is smoking will not be allowed in the casino in 2020.

 

In 2021 the only place you'll be able to smoke on Voyager & Freedom class ships will be on deck 12 on a small portion of the deck on the port side.

 

Those of us that smoke are literally a dying breed and RCL is heading for a totally non-smoking ship in the next few years.

Mattpro,

 

Why do you think smoking will not be allowed in the RC casino's in 2020?  Is it just wishful thinking, guessing, speculating, or do you have some reliable reason to say that?

 

Thanks,

Joe

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On 3/6/2019 at 10:39 AM, mngolfer said:

Since when is it the cruise company’s responsibility to look out after the health of their customers. Their responsibility is to make money and increase my stock price. I am not a smoker and would love smoke free cruises, but it’s silly to think that a cruise company should do something if it costs them money and I bet they have done a cost benefit analysis of the smoking areas and have decided the policy that way

Their sister company- Celebrity is smoke free and doing well.  

If smokers are bent on polluting their lungs and air- do it outside.

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Regarding no smoking in the casino.

 

My source was the Captain and Hotel Director 2 weeks ago on the FOS

 

Their caveat being that nothing is for sure with RCL until you actually see it.

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21 hours ago, Sitzmark said:

More places are going smoke free all the time.  It's a movement that is picking up more speed.  Disney just announced that all of it's parks in the US are going to be smoke free.  fewer people are smoking every year.  

 

I just saw this reported a couple days ago. Wow! And we all know Disney would never do anything to harm their money making abilities. lol 

 

I have sensitive lungs due to growing up with second hand smoke but now, because it's been so long since I've been around it (I live in NY and no family/friends around who smoke) it gets me instantly sick. I wish it didn't, truly. And because I saw the struggle with my dad I really am sympathetic to smokers, especially ones who want to quit but just can't. 

 

I think a good compromise would be a closed off smoking room that had good ventilation. I wonder about smoking places like a section on an outside deck.....wouldn't that be a problem for the balcony rooms? I had a balcony hotel room at Disney once, sat outside and was enjoying the fireworks, balcony below me started smoking. Had to go back inside. And that was a concierge level room. Not a cheap hotel room. lol 

 

Cruising on Adventure in the fall. I'll be interested to see how the smoke is in the schooner bar (one of our fav places on Oasis. I think we were there every night) which is right next to the casino. 😕

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4 hours ago, dizgal64 said:

Cruising on Adventure in the fall. I'll be interested to see how the smoke is in the schooner bar (one of our fav places on Oasis. I think we were there every night) which is right next to the casino. 😕

 

We also love the Schooner Bar but it was not without issues from smoke when we were on Adventure last May. The casino is located right next to the Schooner Bar on Deck 4. Deck 3 does not go through forward to aft so to avoid walking through the casino we had to go to deck 5, walk through and go down. There are six or so tables in the Schooner Bar that are right at the edge of the casino and if you don't like the smell of smoke you cannot sit there.

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On 1/20/2018 at 7:54 PM, davekathy said:

Nope. Smoking is still allowed in the Casinos on all RC ships.

I hate to break your bubble but there is no Smoking in the Casino onboard ships sailing out of Australia or New Zealand.

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