No Wellwishers beer or liquor delivery...

[Marmarjudy]

We are long time Princess cruisers and are (reluctantly) considering NCL for our next cruise, just for a change, because of the Freestyle dining. We feel this would be a step down from Princess--I have sailed NCL before. We already know that we will have to do the additional charge dining if we want an above average meal.

Now I read here that the drinks are overpriced for a mid priced cruise line.

So what are the prices?

We just sailed Princess:

house chardonnay is 4.50 plus tip--and it's decent wine

domestic beer is 3.50 plus tip

alcohol coffee drinks are 4.25 plus tip

A decent bottle of wine at dinner is well under $30

No apologies, but we drink, and if we have to pay for decent food and then pay more for the drinks, why should we do this?

Thanks,

Judy

[jander]

Low fares for passage but high onboard prices=boring cruise with a bunch of cheapskates. (Charlie Chan)

[electricron]

Now I read here that the drinks are overpriced for a mid priced cruise line. So what are the prices?

We just sailed Princess: house chardonnay is 4.50 plus tip--and it's decent wine, domestic beer is 3.50 plus tip, alcohol coffee drinks are 4.25 plus tip.

A decent bottle of wine at dinner is well under $30

No apologies, but we drink, and if we have to pay for decent food and then pay more for the drinks, why should we do this?

Thanks, Judy

Here's the prices on the daily specials on the Sun last month:

Drink of the Day $8.00 with NCL glass

Fruit Bowl, Pina Colada, Mai Tai, Blue Hawaii, Rum Runner, Caribbean Freeze, and Bahama Rama Mama.

Coffee Special $5.75

Hazelnut, Cafe Royale, Mexician, Nutty Monk, Paradise, Kahlua, and Monte Ctisto.

Smoothie $9.00

Banana, Papaya, Cantaloupe, Pineapple, Strawberry & Banana, Mango, and Blueberry.

Martini Special $7.00

Le French, Belini, Nutcracker, Expresso, Appletini, Cosmopolitan, and Apeachtini.

 

Those were the daily specials prices.

[beachchick]

While you may be able to bring in a bottle of booze into your hotel room from a local convenience store in Las Vegas, you have to pay for your meals, including room service. Not so on a cruise ship.

 

So a cruise ship isn't the same as a land based hotel, is it?

 

I must disagree with this logic. Of course we've paid for our meals and entertainment--it's part of the cruise fare! You think the cruise lines are just "giving" us food and entertainment? It's the same fallacy as when people say that coffee or tea or the evening shows are "free" onboard--they are not free; they are included.

 

Now, let's compare it to a resort which has rooms, restaurants/bars, and entertainment. The only real difference is that we pay for things ala carte--that is separate charges for room, meals, and shows. Okay, on a cruise ship all three are simply rolled into one charge: the cruise fare.

 

At a resort, we can bring beverages (all kinds) into our rooms. If we want to bring wine to the restaurants, we pay a corkage fee (just as with most other restaurants). If we want a drink at a bar or at a show, we pay for it. So, a reasonable comparison is to a resort, not to the singular of a hotel or a restaurant or a bar. All aspects of what the cruise ships provide should be included in any discussion of what a cruise is. Please try to keep ship versus land comparisons equivalent.

 

As for a cruise ship being a public conveyance, that's yes and no. An airline simply gets you from point A to point B. That is actually what cruise ships used to do before air transit. Today's cruising is nothing at all like that. It's not all that much different from WDW where you take buses or other resort-provided transport to get from one "land" to another.

 

I believe that it's absurd to not allow pax to bring beverages for in cabin consumption. I do not think that pax should be allowed to bring their own alcohol into the ship bars and lounges--but neither is that something that we do on land. I do think that the cruise lines should charge a corkage fee when we want to bring our own wine to dinner--just like we do on land.

 

And I certainly understand that the cruise lines can make their own rules on this. I've never said they couldn't; I have said that I disagree with the policies. To search our luggage and confiscate items is to treat us like children, IMO. But, that's what they want to do. It will not change the ways that pax dream up to have to "sneak" alcohol onboard; it will not change how pax feel about the rules; and it certainly won't change how much alcohol pax will pay for in the bars, lounges, and other ship venues.

 

beachchick

[nitnyleo]

While I would not recommend MSC for a Caribbean cruise, at least, their alcohol policy is realistic. It simply states that alcohol brought on board should not be consumed in the restaurants, bars or other public areas. And on their Med cruises and Transatlantic, they sell bottles in the duty free shop and you may take them to your cabin.

Too bad they are so amateurish with regard to everything else.

Vodka Tonic was $6.25 on MSC Lirica (only $4.54 on QM2!).

 

I'm on the Dawn in a couple weeks...NCL is the only line that I bother to do the water bottle switcheroo.

[shoreguy]

I must disagree with this logic. Of course we've paid for our meals and entertainment--it's part of the cruise fare! You think the cruise lines are just "giving" us food and entertainment? It's the same fallacy as when people say that coffee or tea or the evening shows are "free" onboard--they are not free; they are included.

 

Now, let's compare it to a resort which has rooms, restaurants/bars, and entertainment. The only real difference is that we pay for things ala carte--that is separate charges for room, meals, and shows. Okay, on a cruise ship all three are simply rolled into one charge: the cruise fare.

 

At a resort, we can bring beverages (all kinds) into our rooms. If we want to bring wine to the restaurants, we pay a corkage fee (just as with most other restaurants). If we want a drink at a bar or at a show, we pay for it. So, a reasonable comparison is to a resort, not to the singular of a hotel or a restaurant or a bar. All aspects of what the cruise ships provide should be included in any discussion of what a cruise is. Please try to keep ship versus land comparisons equivalent.

 

As for a cruise ship being a public conveyance, that's yes and no. An airline simply gets you from point A to point B. That is actually what cruise ships used to do before air transit. Today's cruising is nothing at all like that. It's not all that much different from WDW where you take buses or other resort-provided transport to get from one "land" to another.

 

I believe that it's absurd to not allow pax to bring beverages for in cabin consumption. I do not think that pax should be allowed to bring their own alcohol into the ship bars and lounges--but neither is that something that we do on land. I do think that the cruise lines should charge a corkage fee when we want to bring our own wine to dinner--just like we do on land.

 

And I certainly understand that the cruise lines can make their own rules on this. I've never said they couldn't; I have said that I disagree with the policies. To search our luggage and confiscate items is to treat us like children, IMO. But, that's what they want to do. It will not change the ways that pax dream up to have to "sneak" alcohol onboard; it will not change how pax feel about the rules; and it certainly won't change how much alcohol pax will pay for in the bars, lounges, and other ship venues.

 

beachchick

 

 

A couple of points to ponder as you rethink your logic.

 

Land based resort - the room cost more in most cases then everything you claim we pay for already in the cruise fare. Many cruise for less then $100 per day.

 

If an NCL ship sailed full and nobody spent money onboard they would lose money - they are in fact giving away many of the things you think you are paying for to get you onboard and make a profit.

 

I agree we should be able to bring beverages onboard for cabin consumption and were even allowed to for years on every line. The problem is us. That booze did not stay in the cabin. As always the few (or not so few) ruined things for the rest.

 

Read the early posts on Wellwishers. Member asking what brands NCL sells so the can order that brand to make sure they can take it to the pool. Last winter a group of CC members poolside with a bottle of rum getting hammered on a single soda card. The year before a member pulls miniatures out at dinner to add to their coffee. Drunk teens wandering the ship on booze that was smuggled onboard for "cabin" use.

 

The responsible drinkers will now pay the price. I don't see it getting better. I see every mainstream line using technology to better enforce the already existing rules.

[CPT Trips]

How many airlines allow patrons to bring their own liquor onboard?

 

A. NONE of them.

 

They're both public conveyances (planes & cruiseships), whereas a hotel is not.

Planes get you from point a to point b as a mode of public transportation. Not so with cruise ships. Cruise ships are marketed and function as floating resorts (hotels). Cruise ships also market their almost "all inclusive" nature, so lets compare them to that type of resort. I have never heard about them having rules prohibiting alchohol, although at many (the true "all inclusive") why bother bringing your own.

This whole discussion comes down to one's perspective of whether to follow one specific rule that seems to have no immediate effect on passenger safety or well being.

[shoreguy]

This whole discussion comes down to one's perspective of whether to follow one specific rule that seems to have no immediate effect on passenger safety or well being.

 

It does in fact have effect on passenger safety and NCL liability. It is not the number one reason but an important one why all the main stream lines have a no carry on alcohol policy.

 

If someone gets stupid drunk and falls overboard who are they going after. They have no control of consumption with the 1.5 liter of rum in the cabin. If they show they are making a true effort to prevent passengers from bringing it onboard they can use that to defend themselves.

 

If they have a rule but clearly just look the other way they are at risk.

 

Anyone want to discuss the "Animal House" Spirit cruise last spring:eek:

 

As I have posted over and over - a few have ruined a good thing for the rest of us.

[iancal]

I think that our past 'privilages' ie. bringing a bottle or two of wine etc. on board have been ruined by people who were literally bringing cases of beer, softdrink, wine etc. on board. I like bringing a bottle of wine on board because I like to sit on my balcony and enjoy it...much prefer this than going to the bar AND I get the wine I want. Don't even mind the corkage in the DR...it is fair. The cruise lines have a problem-not just revenue/ profit but also legal issues. Going on NCL in 10 days. Can only hope that their moderate price wine list is better that what we had on the Sun Princess last Feb. If not, we will be paying the $15. corkage on wine in our cabin because often works out to be a better deal AND the wine has not been subject to cruise ship handling and storage issues.

[shoreguy]

I think that our past 'privilages' ie. bringing a bottle or two of wine etc. on board have been ruined by people who were literally bringing cases of beer, softdrink, wine etc. on board. I like bringing a bottle of wine on board because I like to sit on my balcony and enjoy it...much prefer this than going to the bar AND I get the wine I want. Don't even mind the corkage in the DR...it is fair. The cruise lines have a problem-not just revenue/ profit but also legal issues. Going on NCL in 10 days. Can only hope that their moderate price wine list is better that what we had on the Sun Princess last Feb. If not, we will be paying the $15. corkage on wine in our cabin because often works out to be a better deal AND the wine has not been subject to cruise ship handling and storage issues.

 

Much of the wine list is available online. They will have others onboard. I feel the NCL wine list blows away RCCL. I have never found it hard to find a wine that I can enjoy.

 

http://www.ncl.com/more/wine_list.htm

[sjbdtz]

As for a cruise ship being a public conveyance, that's yes and no. An airline simply gets you from point A to point B. That is actually what cruise ships used to do before air transit. Today's cruising is nothing at all like that. It's not all that much different from WDW where you take buses or other resort-provided transport to get from one "land" to another.

 

Actually, a ship is a public conveyance. So is a ferry boat, and so are the buses at WDW. None of the above permit you to bring your own alcohol & consume at will.

 

I believe that it's absurd to not allow pax to bring beverages for in cabin consumption. I do not think that pax should be allowed to bring their own alcohol into the ship bars and lounges--

 

So instead of an inspection upon embarkation, they should have the right to frisk you upon entry to a bar or restaurant? How else would they control this?

 

To search our luggage and confiscate items is to treat us like children. It will not change the ways that pax dream up to have to "sneak" alcohol onboard

 

The juxtaposition of these sentences was wonderful. Darn those pesky cruiselines for treating us like children. We'll just have to pout, and break the rules in a more "sneaky" way next time. Very mature. :cool:

[bkbc7]

Not the case read the language in the contract. The addition of comma makes all the difference. Nobody has ever reported not being allowed to bring soft drinks onboard an NCL ship.

 

http://www.ncl.com/more/contract.htm

 

4. Passenger is not allowed to bring on board the vessel without the previous written permission of the Carrier any intoxicating liquors or beverages, firearms, weapons of any kind, ammunition, explosive substances or any goods of a dangerous nature,

As written it indicates intoxicating beverages.

 

Thats how you may read it but it could be construed as ..liquors OR (simply)beverages..

 

Thats how I read it so I called their 800 number in Miami to check and the rep on the phone said I couldn't bring ( I asked for example.."How about two twelve packs of Diet Pepsi"..my wife and inlaws dont drink coffee and are caffiene junkies) and she said that wouldn't be permitted. She said we could buy a 'soda card' onboard and get Diet Coke. While we're "there" lets examine that briefly: Soda Card $ 35.00 (for 'one' ?) vs 2-12 packs of Pepsi @ $ 5.00 say no more..

 

As far as not travelling on NCL (or any other cruiseline for that matter) in the future (as some have pointed out is my option) That is precisely my intention. This whole cruise wasn't my idea ..its a 50th Anniversary celebration set up by my wife and we have a group of 8-10 travelling. If it was my choice, I'd see Alaska by either taking my GoldWing or our truck/5th wheel trailer "up" via the Washington State Ferry system and driving back at our leisure rather than being interned in a 'cell' in a steel vessel, stopping conveniently at a few coastal Rubber Tomahawk/Tshirt shop communities while the ship's helpful crew does it's best to vacuum out whatever cash I may have to help fill the company coffers...Carnival was bad enough a few years ago but now, from what I read, the Cruise lines in general have been polishing their cash relieving skills into an art. Naww Don't think I'll bother again.

 

Let me end my participation in this thread by paraphrasing another couple's cruise experience, recently read on this website:

 

Its a good thing we aren't much in the way of liquor drinkers.

(when it came time to settle up their shipboard credit card at cruise end)

Our liquor bill was almost the same as the price of the cruise

 

BK:p

[tarjan]

What about all inclusive vacations such as club med, sandals or those other ones in jamacia the women seem to love so much? They cost less than a balcony in most cases including flight and you are done with the bar tab. Nothing else to pay for including excursions except for golf or scuba, and they won't say anything if you bring in some extra to your rooms.

 

Yes, we are talking about very different vacations here, but comparing a cruise ship to vegas isnt quite right IMO. Close, but still not quite the same. The expectation is still alive that you get "everything" paid for when you pay for a cruise. I know better than to say that is right, but the money grab will hurt them in the long run.

 

The cruise I am on is completely sold out, that sounds great for NCL but it could be a double edged sword. I bet you 15-20% of those people will have second thoughts when they leave the boat after getting their bar tabs, auto gratuity and other random fees. They are going to churn to another line, and not repeat. That is the worst possible situation for ncl, churners get you nowhere. Even if the overall customer base for all carriers grows by 5% per year that doesn't make up for the potential loss.

 

Add in that ALL of the carriers are drastically increasing the size of their ships and all of a sudden you have lots of extra space and potentially not enough demand for some carriers. This is the problem all of the carriers had "back in the day" as there are a fixed amount amount of travelers, and increasing the numbers of rooms. NCL is doing well with the new ships, but will they be enough of an attraction as compared to the other huge megaships being built?

 

Vegas solved their problems by looking at the individual and group travelers, and raising the stakes. They added massive elaborate venues with huge rooms to get in the whales, along with people who want to be whales for a week. They pull down hundreds of millions of dollars per day in the casinos, something no ship will ever see. At least none without some way of having 10x the personality and personal service they currently have, and certainly not the mainline.

 

Don't get me wrong, cruising is still a bargain and a half. There is no other way to get to multiple ports and eat as well and live in some sort of luxury for the same price, today. I just think that we were already near the minimum of expectations from the cruiselines and now we are going to pay even more. Believe me, it won't stop here with this. It will continue on until there is a kmart on the ship selling duty free and by then there will be no coming back.

 

Yes, this is way over melodramatic. It could take years, but I think with some of the other killer ships coming NCL should be covering its bases today by underpromising and overdelivering. They need to keep us from checking out those cool new ships coming in the next years and for many that is based on the percieved cost vs features, comforts (including alcohol) and cool stuff.

 

Again, this is over melodramatic and is only my opinion. I just think they could gain much, much more by charging an extra hundred and delivering dramatically more without all of this evil stupid gouging.

[newmexicoNita]

What about all inclusive vacations such as club med, sandals or those other ones in jamacia the women seem to love so much? They cost less than a balcony in most cases including flight and you are done with the bar tab. Nothing else to pay for including excursions except for golf or scuba, and they won't say anything if you bring in some extra to your rooms.

 

Yes, we are talking about very different vacations here, but comparing a cruise ship to vegas isnt quite right IMO. Close, but still not quite the same. The expectation is still alive that you get "everything" paid for when you pay for a cruise. I know better than to say that is right, but the money grab will hurt them in the long run.

 

The cruise I am on is completely sold out, that sounds great for NCL but it could be a double edged sword. I bet you 15-20% of those people will have second thoughts when they leave the boat after getting their bar tabs, auto gratuity and other random fees. They are going to churn to another line, and not repeat. That is the worst possible situation for ncl, churners get you nowhere. Even if the overall customer base for all carriers grows by 5% per year that doesn't make up for the potential loss.

 

Add in that ALL of the carriers are drastically increasing the size of their ships and all of a sudden you have lots of extra space and potentially not enough demand for some carriers. This is the problem all of the carriers had "back in the day" as there are a fixed amount amount of travelers, and increasing the numbers of rooms. NCL is doing well with the new ships, but will they be enough of an attraction as compared to the other huge megaships being built?

 

Vegas solved their problems by looking at the individual and group travelers, and raising the stakes. They added massive elaborate venues with huge rooms to get in the whales, along with people who want to be whales for a week. They pull down hundreds of millions of dollars per day in the casinos, something no ship will ever see. At least none without some way of having 10x the personality and personal service they currently have, and certainly not the mainline.

 

Don't get me wrong, cruising is still a bargain and a half. There is no other way to get to multiple ports and eat as well and live in some sort of luxury for the same price, today. I just think that we were already near the minimum of expectations from the cruiselines and now we are going to pay even more. Believe me, it won't stop here with this. It will continue on until there is a kmart on the ship selling duty free and by then there will be no coming back.

 

Yes, this is way over melodramatic. It could take years, but I think with some of the other killer ships coming NCL should be covering its bases today by underpromising and overdelivering. They need to keep us from checking out those cool new ships coming in the next years and for many that is based on the percieved cost vs features, comforts (including alcohol) and cool stuff.

 

Again, this is over melodramatic and is only my opinion. I just think they could gain much, much more by charging an extra hundred and delivering dramatically more without all of this evil stupid gouging.

All inclusives are lots of benefits and I do recommend them, but as for being less expensive than cruising (not a balc cabin) I would have to disagree: You also need to take in to consideration entertainment, activities, etc. Yes, all inclusives offer a little of this but certainly not what you get on a ship plus cruising gives us a change to see several places in a short period of time. Food, being an issue for many of us is better on ships with more variety. I am basing my opinion on personal experiences and that of my clients. This is not to blast all inclusives: I love them, but it is like comparing a mango with an avacado: both grown in the tropical climates: nothing else in common. oh, yes, they both have skins and seeds!!!!lol

[beachchick]

shoreguy: I have no intention of rethinking my logic. Why do you assume that I should (other than that you don't agree with me)? In fact, it's easy to find land-based resorts where the per person cost (including meals and entertainment) can be under $100 (for the cheap rooms of course because you can only be referring to the less expensive cabin options). One week value resort packages at WDW for a family of 4 can be found for $1500, including tickets. Factor in food (not soda or alcohol) at $100 to $150 a day and you've got a vacation including room, entertainment, and meals for 4 for under $3000--less than $100 p/p per day.

 

sjbdtz: Again, discussing a cruise ship as only a public conveyance and discounting all the other aspects of the "resort" vacation that cruising includes is not an accurate comparison. We don't sleep, eat, or have entertainment on ferries, buses, or airplanes. Your argument is flawed because it is incomplete.

 

As for frisking before entry into the restaurants, they don't do it on land and I don't expect them (nor should they do it) on cruise ships. If you bring a bottle of wine to a restaurant, you are charged a corkage fee to drink it there. So, no I don't think they should search pax upon entry to bars, lounges, or restaurants. Will some people try to sneak? Of course. That happens on land too. Should we be frisked whenever we go to a land-based bar? No. What happens is that if someone is caught trying to sneak in their own alcohol, they are charged a corkage fee (for a restaurant), or it is either taken from them or they are asked to leave (for a bar or lounge). They are not evicted from their hotel room; nor do resorts search their customers luggage before delivering it to their rooms. In this case, I am talking about bringing beverages to consume in our cabins (equivalent to resort/hotel rooms), not in the ship's bars and lounges. I am talking about bringing our own wine to the dining room and restaurants and paying a corkage fee.

 

Finally, I hope you are not calling me immature. That's name calling and against the rules. As for your comments, I never said that I sneak alcohol onboard. In point of fact, I don't. We bring wine in a clearly marked wine shipping box. If we bring it to the dining room, we pay the corkage fee. (Kind of odd for NCL to list a corkage fee if they don't allow pax to bring wine onboard, don't you think?) And I never wrote that pax "pout" about the rules; I wrote that there will be pax who sneak alcohol onboard in various clever ways. Is that childish? Perhaps. However, that's what is going to happen as long as the cruise lines enforce these rules.

 

It's pretty apparent that I won't change my mind and that neither of you will change yours, so we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

 

beachchick

[newmexicoNita]

We are long time Princess cruisers and are (reluctantly) considering NCL for our next cruise, just for a change, because of the Freestyle dining. We feel this would be a step down from Princess--I have sailed NCL before. We already know that we will have to do the additional charge dining if we want an above average meal.

Now I read here that the drinks are overpriced for a mid priced cruise line.

So what are the prices?

We just sailed Princess:

house chardonnay is 4.50 plus tip--and it's decent wine

domestic beer is 3.50 plus tip

alcohol coffee drinks are 4.25 plus tip

A decent bottle of wine at dinner is well under $30

No apologies, but we drink, and if we have to pay for decent food and then pay more for the drinks, why should we do this?

Thanks,

Judy

with your attitude I would not change lines> There is no way you will be satified as you have already made up your mind about NCL. NMNita

[sjbdtz]

shoreguy: I have no intention of rethinking my logic. Why do you assume that I should (other than that you don't agree with me)? In fact, it's easy to find land-based resorts where the per person cost (including meals and entertainment) can be under $100 (for the cheap rooms of course because you can only be referring to the less expensive cabin options). One week value resort packages at WDW for a family of 4 can be found for $1500, including tickets. Factor in food (not soda or alcohol) at $100 to $150 a day and you've got a vacation including room, entertainment, and meals for 4 for under $3000--less than $100 p/p per day.

 

sjbdtz: Again, discussing a cruise ship as only a public conveyance and discounting all the other aspects of the "resort" vacation that cruising includes is not an accurate comparison. We don't sleep, eat, or have entertainment on ferries, buses, or airplanes. Your argument is flawed because it is incomplete.

 

As for frisking before entry into the restaurants, they don't do it on land and I don't expect them (nor should they do it) on cruise ships. If you bring a bottle of wine to a restaurant, you are charged a corkage fee to drink it there. So, no I don't think they should search pax upon entry to bars, lounges, or restaurants. Will some people try to sneak? Of course. That happens on land too. Should we be frisked whenever we go to a land-based bar? No. What happens is that if someone is caught trying to sneak in their own alcohol, they are charged a corkage fee (for a restaurant), or it is either taken from them or they are asked to leave (for a bar or lounge). They are not evicted from their hotel room; nor do resorts search their customers luggage before delivering it to their rooms. In this case, I am talking about bringing beverages to consume in our cabins (equivalent to resort/hotel rooms), not in the ship's bars and lounges. I am talking about bringing our own wine to the dining room and restaurants and paying a corkage fee.

 

Finally, I hope you are not calling me immature. That's name calling and against the rules. As for your comments, I never said that I sneak alcohol onboard. In point of fact, I don't. We bring wine in a clearly marked wine shipping box. If we bring it to the dining room, we pay the corkage fee. (Kind of odd for NCL to list a corkage fee if they don't allow pax to bring wine onboard, don't you think?) And I never wrote that pax "pout" about the rules; I wrote that there will be pax who sneak alcohol onboard in various clever ways. Is that childish? Perhaps. However, that's what is going to happen as long as the cruise lines enforce these rules.

 

It's pretty apparent that I won't change my mind and that neither of you will change yours, so we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

 

beachchick

 

1. No, I didn't call YOU immature. I called the great group of unknown people who would "sneak" in alcohol when they're told it's verboten, immature. So, no name calling.

 

2. A public conveyance is by definition a place that moves people from one place to another. A hotel, resort, bar or restaurant do not qualify as they are in fixed locations. THAT is the difference.

 

3. You said don't forbid us from bringing alcohol to our cabins, instead forbid us from bringing it to the bars & restaurants. You then acknowledged that people will try to sneak alcohol into their cabins when forbidden. Why do you think they wouldn't try to sneak it into the bars & restaurants when they already have it onboard, and it's forbidden in these latter areas?

[VoyageVirgin]

1. No, I didn't call YOU immature. I called the great group of unknown people who would "sneak" in alcohol when they're told it's verboten, immature. So, no name calling.

 

2. A public conveyance is by definition a place that moves people from one place to another. A hotel, resort, bar or restaurant do not qualify as they are in fixed locations. THAT is the difference.

 

3. You said don't forbid us from bringing alcohol to our cabins, instead forbid us from bringing it to the bars & restaurants. You then acknowledged that people will try to sneak alcohol into their cabins when forbidden. Why do you think they wouldn't try to sneak it into the bars & restaurants when they already have it onboard, and it's forbidden in these latter areas?

 

I think that when you quote someone and end your comments with the single word "immature" without any clarification, It sure seems that you were speaking to that person. JMO

 

Both arguments (public conveyance vs hotel resort) fail to compare apples to apples. Cruising is just in a category all it's own.

 

However for all those silly comparisons of cruise ships to planes and buses, you have failed to compare to the even closer comparison of a cross country train with sleeping berths.

 

Te following quote is from Amtrak.com

 

Alcoholic Beverages

Beverage service

We serve alcoholic beverages aboard Amtrak in most Dining, Lounge and Cafe Cars.

 

Private stock

 

You also may bring aboard your own private stock of alcoholic beverages and consume such beverages subject to the following limitations:

• You may consume private stock alcoholic beverages only in Sleeping Car accommodations for which you have a valid ticket.
  
• You may not consume private stock alcoholic beverages in any public areas.

Maybe not apples to apples, but maybe oranges to tangerines? The saga continues. :)

[shoreguy]

shoreguy: I have no intention of rethinking my logic. Why do you assume that I should (other than that you don't agree with me)?

 

It's pretty apparent that I won't change my mind and that neither of you will change yours, so we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

 

beachchick

 

I didn't say change but rethink it . The value of these boards or any discussion is to introduce different points of view. We all should be willing to change based on the facts.

 

If you have no intention of changing your mind for any reason discussion over..

[Host CMLA]

And I never wrote that pax "pout" about the rules; I wrote that there will be pax who sneak alcohol onboard in various clever ways. Is that childish? Perhaps. However, that's what is going to happen as long as the cruise lines enforce these rules.

Just an observation of the obvious here..."enforce these rules"...isn't this really the bottom line for all of this? This discussion has been discussed to death for years and the bottom line has been and will always be that NCL has a liquor policy in place (as do most cruise lines) and NCL seems to be the only one more strictly enforcing their rule. They're allowed. It's their company; their rules. If I don't like their rules, I'll go somewhere else. If NCL 's OK with that, then shouldn't all of us? If we know that NCL is willing to say to us, "You can't bring your booze on my ship. Period." Isn't it then up to me to decide if I want to live by those rules? If I can't, I go somewhere else. Instead we've got what amounts to seminars on this board about the most clever way to smuggle alcohol.

 

The way I see it...it doesn't matter how logical or illogical NCL is in their liquor policy. It's THEIR policy and since it's their ship, they make the rules. Sure...there are definite arguments for why the policy is a bad idea or why it's a good idea but none of that matters because they've set their policy and that's how it is. If you disasgree with the policy and it's enough to turn you off NCL, then NCL will have to deal with the outcome of their bad rule. But as long as ships are sailing full, I don't see why they'd change their policy.

[Don Haynes]

NCL has every right to make its own rules just like many of us make rules in our homes.....Its their ship.....

 

Two 12 packs of Coca Cola for $5.00..... Yes, you can get this at a grocery store on sale. At a convenient store its more like one 12 pack for $4.00.... But NCL isn't a grocery store, is it? NCL is in the restaurant and lounge business, how many restaurants sell sodas that cheaply? NONE!

 

Most of the national chain bar and grills sell their fountain sodas for $2.00, I have seen some that have priced fountain sodas as high as $3.00..... Most of the national fast food chains sell their fountain sodas for more or less around $1.50.... Notice that's what NCL's sells their sodas for, $1.50.... If you purchase the soda card, you'll come out ahead at four sodas per day. Since they aren't that large, I can drink four of NCL's sodas during one hour at one of their shows..... Like some can drink four beer at one of their shows.....

[neciaburan]

We are sailing in April on the Dawn. It will be our honeymoon and although neither of us are big drinkers may want to have some small private celebrations in out cabin. Can you buy a bottle in the shops on the ship or at one of the ports to bring to your room?

[electricron]

We are sailing in April on the Dawn. It will be our honeymoon and although neither of us are big drinkers may want to have some small private celebrations in out cabin. Can you buy a bottle in the shops on the ship or at one of the ports to bring to your room?

 

NCL alcohol rules are plainly stated, and have been posted on this thread many times......NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

 

What can't I bring onboard?

Passenger is not allowed to bring onboard the vessel without the previous written permission of the Carrier any intoxicating liquors, or beverages, firearms, weapons of any kind, ammunition, explosive substances or any goods of a dangerous nature, nor animals of any kind, except service or guide animals, provided the passenger notifies Carrier prior to the cruise of his intention to bring such animal and agrees to take sole responsibility for any expense, damage, injuries or losses associated with or caused by such animal.

It doesn't say it's okay if you only consume the alcohol in your room. It doesn't say you can bring aboard alcohol aboard from a foreign port. It doesn't say it's okay for you and no for everyone else.

 

It says NO alcohol on ANY ship for ANYONE!

 

Never-the-less, NCL will allow bottles of wine being brought onboard for consumption aboard if you pay a corkage fee. NCL will allow you to purchase alcohol abroad and bring it aboard for consumption after you disembark the ship. In many ways, NCL is being flexible.

[neciaburan]

Sorry, this will actually be our first cruise and I understand the policy of not bringing alcohol on board the ship. I certainly was not asking to be an exception to the rules. I just had read on other boards that people had bought bottles and brought them on board - and I have not seen anything about buying them in the duty free shops on board. Your reply seems a little harsh - again I was only asking for clarification and some options for our celebrations.

[shoreguy]

We are sailing in April on the Dawn. It will be our honeymoon and although neither of us are big drinkers may want to have some small private celebrations in out cabin. Can you buy a bottle in the shops on the ship or at one of the ports to bring to your room?

 

Relax lots of options.

 

You can order a bar set up if you want spirits

 

For your honeymoon lots of cool options. At a minimum the following is a great value.

 

http://www.ncl.com/more/honeymoon_mini.htm

 

 

HONEYMOON/ANNIVERSARY PACKAGE - $79 per stateroom

• Sparkling wine and strawberries in your stateroom upon embarkation

• Canapés delivered to your stateroom one evening

• Complimentary sparkling wine and cake party

• A keepsake photograph

• Romantic dinner for two in Le Bistro with a complimentary bottle of wine