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Is Royal Ever Coming Back To Los Angeles/Long Beach?

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The Port of Los Angeles is preparing a “Request For Proposals” from cruise lines interested in developing their Outer Harbor cruise terminal (Berth 46) at San Pedro. Link to the article is here: https://www.dailybreeze.com/2019/10/02/will-san-pedros-proposed-outer-harbor-cruise-terminal-encounter-smooth-sailing/

 

Recent rumblings from RCCL seem to indicate they might be interested in submitting a proposal, similar to work they’ve executed several times on the East coast...along with announcing (at least seasonal) ship deployments from the San Pedro/L.A. area. When clarification on whether the sailings would be 3, 4 or 7-day sailings, the response was a variety of itineraries. Likely more news in the coming months.

 

Fingers-crossed! The demographics of the West coast today versus what they were when RCCL based ships there year-round (back in the 90’s??) have changed dramatically, along with a significant increase in air lift (flights) to the L.A. area to get those of us from throughout the SW and NW to board these cruises. The business case for returning ships (at the very least seasonally) to the L.A. area can be made.

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As someone who took a lot of cruises out of San Pedro in the 90s on the Viking Serenade, Monarch of the Seas and Vision of the Seas, I would love or Royal to return.  Catching a cruise in the same time zone I live is great.

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1 hour ago, GigglewolfOfTheSeas said:

Fingers-crossed! The demographics of the West coast today versus what they were when RCCL based ships there year-round (back in the 90’s??) have changed dramatically, along with a significant increase in air lift (flights) to the L.A. area to get those of us from throughout the SW and NW to board these cruises. The business case for returning ships (at the very least seasonally) to the L.A. area can be made.

 

 

The Mariner left in 2011.

 

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2011-jan-14-la-fi-1014-mexico-cruise-ships-20110114-story.html

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9 hours ago, GigglewolfOfTheSeas said:

The business case for returning ships (at the very least seasonally) to the L.A. area can be made.

Not with the further tightening of emission rules.

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Emission rules in North Europe are or will become even tighter so all cruise lines must find solutions for this. 

 

As Jewel is now available I trust she will go to the West Coast in winter 20/21, maybe in combination with some Panama Canal runs.

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2 hours ago, Biker19 said:

Not with the further tightening of emission rules.


Starting 2021 cruise ships will have to use shore power or equivalent measures in China. 

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Mariner barely lasted a year out west. So the market just didn't work for Royal last time. Though I do love the itinerary as an alternative to the same few ports in the Caribbean. 

 

Interested to see how long Panorama lasts in Long Beach for Carnival - if they can consistently fill a ship of that size. Look forward to trying it out next month. 

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I see that their new ship will home port in China, must be better market than Ca.

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2 minutes ago, jsf said:

I see that their new ship will home port in China, must be better market than Ca.

 

We've been told that casino is very profitable on cruises out of China.  Royal usually creates more gambling space for those ships based out of China.

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Crossing our fingers....Royal, please, come back to California.😭

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9 hours ago, Saab4444 said:

Emission rules in North Europe are or will become even tighter so all cruise lines must find solutions for this. 

 

As Jewel is now available I trust she will go to the West Coast in winter 20/21, maybe in combination with some Panama Canal runs.


This would be great! The Jewel is a great ship! I’d love it if they had even just one ship that cycled through a series of itineraries, ranging from short 4-night cruises that included Catalina Island, to traditional 7-night Mexican Riviera or 10/11-night deeper Mexican ports (Zihuatanjeo?!) and a couple of round trip Panama Canal sailings. Be creative RCCL! Throw in a Celebrity ship doing something similar, but alternating to folks can alternate if the date they want doesn’t offer the itinerary they’re seeking.

 

Also, RCCL is actively converting their fleets to accept shoreside power, so that won’t be an issue for POLA (Port of L.A.). 👍🏻😉😬

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We sailed out of San Pedro in November 2019 on the Celebrity Eclipse RT with an over night in San Francisco.

It was a good cruise.  We thought Ensenada was fine.  Saw a T shirt there claiming they were on the "Fun Side of the Wall" 

Being from Texas we are tired of Cozumel.

One great thing about going on the rare Celebrity cruise on the west coast, we still got our Diamond/Elite benefits.

We have sailed enough on Princess to be platinum but the benefits are far better in the RCCL family in my opinion.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Host Clarea said:

 

We've been told that casino is very profitable on cruises out of China.  Royal usually creates more gambling space for those ships based out of China.

Check out the Casino's on Macao, they love to gamble over there.

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2 hours ago, GigglewolfOfTheSeas said:

Also, RCCL is actively converting their fleets to accept shoreside power, so that won’t be an issue for POLA (Port of L.A.). 


Interesting. They had previously said no to converting cost was ten times Higher compared to putting it in new builds. 

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8 minutes ago, wl2cruise said:


Interesting. They had previously said no to converting cost was ten times Higher compared to putting it in new builds. 

 

I think that is a joke or wishful thinking.

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6 hours ago, GigglewolfOfTheSeas said:

 

Also, RCCL is actively converting their fleets to accept shoreside power, so that won’t be an issue for POLA (Port of L.A.). 👍🏻😉😬

Ummmm; nope

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22 hours ago, wl2cruise said:


Starting 2021 cruise ships will have to use shore power or equivalent measures in China. 

 

I doubt that the coal fired powerplants in China are less polluting that even old ships.

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On 3/7/2019 at 12:53 AM, ONECRUISER said:

Yeah I think Royal sails at like 108% average where they sail now and never make that profit out of California...


Where have you seen the loads for Royal? Admittedly, I haven’t read the fiscal reports for a few years. 

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53 minutes ago, neverbeenhere said:

Where have you seen the loads for Royal?

Both the annual and quarterly SEC reports list the combined RCCL (they don't break out RCI) sailing capacity.

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17 hours ago, GigglewolfOfTheSeas said:

Also, RCCL is actively converting their fleets to accept shoreside power, so that won’t be an issue for POLA (Port of L.A.). 👍🏻😉😬

Where have you seen this?

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27 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

Both the annual and quarterly SEC reports list the combined RCCL (they don't break out RCI) sailing capacity.

My guess would be that Royal is higher than the 108% with Celebrity and Azamara (admittedly with fewer berths) dragging the number down. 

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13 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

My guess would be that Royal is higher than the 108% with Celebrity and Azamara (admittedly with fewer berths) dragging the number down. 

RCCL has started including the Silvereas occupancy numbers as well - slightly down from last year.

 

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32 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

RCCL has started including the Silvereas occupancy numbers as well - slightly down from last year.

 

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Thanks for post. I remember after 9/11 was lucky if 90% Cabin filled on a sailing, went on for months. And for years before then there was many cabins open or upgrade to at Pier...

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The newest after cruise surveys are asking “where would you like Royal to sail from?” 
 

San Diego and Los Angeles are among the choices. 

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On 12/14/2019 at 6:08 AM, cmich068 said:

Mariner barely lasted a year out west. So the market just didn't work for Royal last time. Though I do love the itinerary as an alternative to the same few ports in the Caribbean. 

 

Interested to see how long Panorama lasts in Long Beach for Carnival - if they can consistently fill a ship of that size. Look forward to trying it out next month. 

There were extenuating circumstances as to why Mariner struggled....H1N1 being just one of them...the timing was bad !!

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