garycarla Posted March 25, 2019 #801 Share Posted March 25, 2019 30 minutes ago, jagsfan said: I could have sworn early on I saw 1300 passengers. Thought crew was in addition. 930 pax is a pretty small ship, today. Reading other posts or a 30 second google search would answer your issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garycarla Posted March 25, 2019 #802 Share Posted March 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, Daniel A said: Will you take your children on the same Viking cruise until the report comes out? No children on Viking Ocean. Non issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_dont Posted March 25, 2019 #803 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I consider it in very poor taste to already by discussing that to these passengers and then I do believe "the waiver" at a time where these people are still vulnerable. You do not live thru an experience like that with titanic type events(the stuff crashing around) and need some time to think. It seems they want to settle that right away. I think many of these passengers are pretty smart and will wait. And I consider it in very poor taste to be talking about the "inevitable" lawsuits, attorneys' investigators and the involvement of the US Coast Guard (?!)I'm sure there will be a *maritime* investigation, but believe it would be highly unlikely to result in anything criminal. And a civil suit in Norway - especially if waivers have been signed (or even if they weren't, but in consideration of everything Viking is apparently doing for the passengers involved) - seems far from a certainty. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan Posted March 25, 2019 #804 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Dekksguten said: Thanks. English is not my first language, but I still shouldn't have messed that one up. I am in awe of and respect anyone who speaks more than one language. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cienfuegos Posted March 25, 2019 #805 Share Posted March 25, 2019 The US TV coverage has been generally quite positive about the professionalism of the crew and the Norwegian rescue teams. In spite of passengers watching cascading furniture, huddled in stair wells, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_dont Posted March 25, 2019 #806 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Will you take your children on the same Viking cruise until the report comes out?I would. In a heartbeat. They're 27 and 33, so I can.Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiminyC_fan Posted March 25, 2019 #807 Share Posted March 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Daniel A said: The PAX wouldn't need to sue if they were treated fairly in the first place. You need to STOP. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmazedByCruising Posted March 25, 2019 #808 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Daniel A said: The PAX wouldn't need to sue if they were treated fairly in the first place. All I've seen is a very professional Captain, a very nice offer by Viking, and very grateful passengers. I really don't understand why people are already searching for reasons to sue Viking when there's no reason whatsoever to suspect they did anything wrong! Edited March 25, 2019 by AmazedByCruising 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CILCIANRQTS Posted March 25, 2019 #809 Share Posted March 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, cruiserchuck said: The Terms and Conditions (on the US website) do not contain an arbitration clause. https://www.vikingcruises.com/terms-conditions/index.html And claims for injury, illness or death are governed by the laws of Switzerland and must be litigated in Basel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted March 25, 2019 #810 Share Posted March 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, cepeterson said: Our children have children, so I guess we won’t be taking them along when we board the Viking Sky on May 6 in Stockholm. We are eagerly anticipating sailing with the Sky’s extraordinary crew, well proven under very challenging circumstances, not of there own making. By the way, all that other speculation is just that, speculation, and certainly sounds like many “contributors” are assuming facts not yet in evidence. Not a lawyer, but teach business and finance to lawyers. So, I guess that means you aren't taking your children on a Viking cruise. I don't blame you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy49 Posted March 25, 2019 #811 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, just_dont said: And I consider it in very poor taste to be talking about the "inevitable" lawsuits, attorneys' investigators and the involvement of the US Coast Guard (?!) I'm sure there will be a *maritime* investigation, but believe it would be highly unlikely to result in anything criminal. And a civil suit in Norway - especially if waivers have been signed (or even if they weren't, but in consideration of everything Viking is apparently doing for the passengers involved) - seems far from a certainty. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk this is a forum...a discussion and opinion board. No one here really knows anything about this particular case so my comments are just as valid as the next. Of course there will be law suits. I never mentioned anything about the coast guard...not sure where that came from. Passengers taking a cruise like this have trip cancellation/interruption insurance where they can certainly make claims that Viking does not cover. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom47 Posted March 25, 2019 #812 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Clay Clayton said: If anyone wants an apples to apples (well maybe golden delicious to Granny Smiths) here is a link to my comparison: http://cruisinwithclay.com/2019/02/12/transatlantic-battle/ I enjoyed your comparison. I have never cruised with Viking or Norwegian. I have never done a TA. My cruises have been on Hurtiigruten, Celebrity, Azamara, Pearl Seas and Royal Caribbean. DW says she will never go on Viking and we make joint decisions. Engine failure on a 2 year old ship is a cause for concern. But we do get Viking brochures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cienfuegos Posted March 25, 2019 #813 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Forbes magazine notes that the Norwegian coastal maritime authorities agree with the decision to take the ship to sea, although there will be a formal review of the situation. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2019/03/24/cruise-ship-crisis-over-479-guests-evacuated-questions-begin/#27fbd5326af8 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy49 Posted March 25, 2019 #814 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cienfuegos said: The US TV coverage has been generally quite positive about the professionalism of the crew and the Norwegian rescue teams. In spite of passengers watching cascading furniture, huddled in stair wells, etc. There are some passengers that have been talking to every media...I see the same ones on various media. There are many not talking so probably have to wait to be the big picture of what happened. I do think the crew did an outstanding job based on those that are talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_dont Posted March 25, 2019 #815 Share Posted March 25, 2019 The PAX wouldn't need to sue if they were treated fairly in the first place.All reports are that they ABSOLUTELY have been. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted March 25, 2019 #816 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, AmazedByCruising said: All I've seen is a very professional Captain, a very nice offer by Viking, and very grateful passengers. I really don't understand why people are already searching reasons to sue Viking when there's no reason whatsoever to suspect they did anything wrong! Do you really consider almost crashing upon the rocks and needing helicopter evacuations to be 'nothing wrong?" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharTrav Posted March 25, 2019 #817 Share Posted March 25, 2019 58 minutes ago, RDC1 said: Not quite on the Costa Concordia 696 out of the 3206 actually on board had not yet been to must drill Collision occurred at 21:45 General alarm was given at 22:48. And the brave captain bailed 45 min later and would not return to the ship leaving the rest of his crew to manage as well as they could. Let's not forget what happened there. And the captain was the one who delayed mustering the pax. Contrast that with yesterday and there is no comparison except as an object lesson in all the ways to do things wrong. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted March 25, 2019 #818 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tom47 said: I enjoyed your comparison. I have never cruised with Viking or Norwegian. I have never done a TA. My cruises have been on Hurtiigruten, Celebrity, Azamara, Pearl Seas and Royal Caribbean. DW says she will never go on Viking and we make joint decisions. Engine failure on a 2 year old ship is a cause for concern. But we do get Viking brochures. I spent 18K on a Viking Cruise. Worst Cruising experience of my cruising life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atocha Shipwreck Gal Posted March 25, 2019 #819 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Daniel A said: Do you really consider almost crashing upon the rocks and needing helicopter evacuations to be 'nothing wrong?" Hi Daniel a. Clearly you have a problem with viking. I have never cruised with them. Can you tell us all the scoop on why you are not fond of this line? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan Posted March 25, 2019 #820 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 hours ago, CharTrav said: For his dereliction of duty that lead to 32 deaths he was sentenced to 16 years in jail. Where he is today. Should have been life at hard labor without parole. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmazedByCruising Posted March 25, 2019 #821 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Daniel A said: Do you really consider almost crashing upon the rocks and needing helicopter evacuations to be 'nothing wrong?" Unless someone comes up and testifies that the Captain was drunk, the procedures were not followed, something like that, yes. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoundForSea Posted March 25, 2019 #822 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I would moreso be interested in knowing how a vessel with 4 Generators, can in this day and age can be without power to the propulsion. Yeaterday the brand new Fincantieri Nieuw Statendam lost all power, as far as I know, with limited or no propulsion. Why is there not a standby Generator, with a seperate fuel supply (optional crossfeed to the main fuel supply if no fuel contamination is a factor), which is isolated from the main electrical system, that can supply power, limited if need be to the main propulsion and vital life systems, to keep the ship moving albeit slowly so it can be stabilized in high seas or moved very slowly toward land or safer waters. We’ve seen now a few instances lately where Fincantieri builds, new and old, are suffering from carastrophic or partial power issues. I believe the focus on the vessel and what happened to it as well as its design should be the focus. Im certain is was maintained properly, but what happened to caused a complete lack of available power. (keep in mind that the motors that turn the propellers are electric and powered by giant diesel generators) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outerdog Posted March 25, 2019 #823 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Daniel A said: You folks understand the Captain took that vessel into treacherous waters knowing he didn't have FULL engine power - one engine out for maintenance and he took 900 souls into treacherous waters not having his full compliment of power. That is called arrogance. And when this tripe comes out, you know it's time to leave the thread. Glad everyone is okay -- as well as can be expected anyway. So long! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharTrav Posted March 25, 2019 #824 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Oh and by the way, to all you posters who were not on the Sky yesterday and raising all these concerns about liability, investigations, waivers, and --- dear God --- lawsuits. Please --- give it a rest!! This is not what the folks who were there need to be subjected to. There may be a time for finger pointing but not now. This is a time for words of encouragement and thankfulness. Edited March 25, 2019 by CharTrav 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGrace Posted March 25, 2019 #825 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, RDC1 said: If you look at the area around lifeboats you will see some large cannisters, often in clusters in racks. These are the life rafts. What I don't know is how people are expected to get in these since they drop into the ocean. On my recent Miami-Santiago (NCL Sun, December repo) cruise I studied the deployment instructions for the canister life rafts: quite visible on metal signs, in English, on the promenade deck if you pay attention to that sort of thing. (Of course I can't remember what the procedure was but it was interesting at the time. I think it involved harnesses and block-and-tackle to get crew members one-at-a-time down to the rafts.) Edited March 25, 2019 by GGrace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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