clo Posted June 23, 2019 #126 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, wwcruisers said: And a Poodle owner, to boot! 😉 Just kidding -- LOVE your avatar picture! He's a year old and his name is "Hairy Red Dog" and I'm sure he's a liberal also. He loves Rachel Maddow!!! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted June 23, 2019 #127 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, wwcruisers said: And a Poodle owner, to boot! 😉 Just kidding -- LOVE your avatar picture! Yeah and who’d own a Poodle when you could have a cute little Schnauzer it even a spotted monster Dalmatian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K32682 Posted June 23, 2019 #128 Share Posted June 23, 2019 3 hours ago, navybankerteacher said: This is the thing - it is entirely possible to have a rational discussion about politics - even with someone with different views. It takes a willingness (on both sides) to listen, a commitment to facts, and (most important) avoidance of pushing a personal view. Sadly, the levels of intelligence, courtesy and self discipline necessary to achieve this are rarely found. It is not possible with blind partisans of the type described in the original post. Nor it is possible to have a rational discussion on many subjects such as abortion, religion, gun control, gay marriage, race or other topics where people are intensely committed to a single position whether through dogma, devotion, fear, intolerance or simply bigotry. It is however quite possible to amuse oneself at their expense and anyone proselytizing on any of the above subjects generally deserves it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPT Trips Posted June 23, 2019 #129 Share Posted June 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, K32682 said: It is not possible with blind partisans of the type described in the original post. Nor it is possible to have a rational discussion on many subjects such as abortion, religion, gun control, gay marriage, race or other topics where people are intensely committed to a single position whether through dogma, devotion, fear, intolerance or simply bigotry. [emphasis added by me for this post] It is however quite possible to amuse oneself at their expense and anyone proselytizing on any of the above subjects generally deserves it. Sorry. I can't accept that my single position on civil and human rights, and hence some of those topics is attributable to any of those descriptors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted June 23, 2019 #130 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, clo said: Yeah, I love listening to "BBC World" IIRC on our local NPR. Definitely a different perspective. My cable tv provider airs both BBC/world AND BBC/America. I very much enjoy listening to both and do so often. sail.noordam@gmail.com Edited June 23, 2019 by sail7seas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted June 24, 2019 #131 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I guess I am in the minority because I have never been on a cruise where politics was a discussion at a dining table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tip Posted June 24, 2019 #132 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I avoid anyone wearing a MAGA hat.😉 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted June 24, 2019 #133 Share Posted June 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, tip said: I avoid anyone wearing a MAGA hat.😉 Dumb question maybe, but what is a maga hat?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveH2508 Posted June 24, 2019 #134 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, GUT2407 said: Dumb question maybe, but what is a maga hat?? At a guess: Make America Great Again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted June 24, 2019 #135 Share Posted June 24, 2019 51 minutes ago, SteveH2508 said: At a guess: Make America Great Again. But is it a style of hat, or printed on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveH2508 Posted June 24, 2019 #136 Share Posted June 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, GUT2407 said: But is it a style of hat, or printed on it. Red baseball cap with it printed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted June 24, 2019 #137 Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 hours ago, SteveH2508 said: Red baseball cap with it printed on. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted June 24, 2019 #138 Share Posted June 24, 2019 10 hours ago, lenquixote66 said: I guess I am in the minority because I have never been on a cruise where politics was a discussion at a dining table. I have cruised many times and have, in fact, encountered a few people who wanted to push political agendas at meal time - but none who refused to accept suggestion (from me and/or others) that the table was not an appropriate forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDawg Posted June 24, 2019 #139 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) The closest thing to a political discussion that we were ever involved in was during the U.S. Obama care debate. As we introduced ourselves as Canadian, a couple of Americans at our table wanted to know if our healthcare systems was as bad as some anti Obama care people were saying or as good as some pro Obama care advocates were claiming. It was a civil discussion and I just told them both sides in your debate were right and both sides were also wrong. The truth about the Canadian system (and probably any 'universal' healthcare system) was in the middle somewhere. As I recall, that discussion was on the first night and we didn't discuss 'politics' again that cruise. Edited June 24, 2019 by DirtyDawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted June 24, 2019 #140 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, ed01106 said: Does that include my hat that says, Morons Are Governing America? Then, why have one? 😕 Edited June 24, 2019 by sail7seas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted June 24, 2019 #141 Share Posted June 24, 2019 4 hours ago, DirtyDawg said: The closest thing to a political discussion that we were ever involved in was during the U.S. Obama care debate. As we introduced ourselves as Canadian, a couple of Americans at our table wanted to know if our healthcare systems was as bad as some anti Obama care people were saying or as good as some pro Obama care advocates were claiming. It was a civil discussion and I just told them both sides in your debate were right and both sides were also wrong. The truth about the Canadian system (and probably any 'universal' healthcare system) was in the middle somewhere. As I recall, that discussion was on the first night and we didn't discuss 'politics' again that cruise. That sounds like a very reasonable conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed01106 Posted June 24, 2019 #142 Share Posted June 24, 2019 29 minutes ago, sail7seas said: Then, why have one? 😕 It makes my position on Trump very clear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser_1977 Posted June 24, 2019 #143 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) The Art of Conversation has fallen by the wayside. When I was young we traveled quite a bit and even lived overseas for a bit. My parents encouraged my sister and I (when appropriate - there was a lot of "girls go and play") to listen to the adult conversation. We were curious and luckily the adults were courteous and informative. I also was on the debate team in high school and learned to rely on FACTS, rather than emotion. True conversation, not idle chit chat, takes work on both parties. First, being the ability to LISTEN. Second, the ability to express your beliefs. This to be done in a thoughtful manner. Thoughtful in this instance being two fold; one, you have put thought into your belief and two, you are conscious of those to whom you are speaking. Lastly, the ability to question the reasons behind the thoughts shared by others. In my opinion, this is not something that has deteriorated in 2-3 years. This has transpired over decades. As someone mentioned earlier, most folks take what they read in a headline or hear on a "teaser" as fact. There is very little research and thought put into beliefs. This leads to uninformed beliefs on any number of issues. Part of the issue is we are inundated (internet, television, radio) with inaccurate information. Newspapers and news programs used to be unbiased, reliable vessels for facts. Currently, we must seek information beyond what we're "fed". The truth is whether the lack of seeking is due to laziness, time constraints, blind trust, etc., it's happening/happened. Edited June 24, 2019 by JennyB1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slidergirl Posted June 24, 2019 #144 Share Posted June 24, 2019 21 hours ago, clo said: He's a year old and his name is "Hairy Red Dog" and I'm sure he's a liberal also. He loves Rachel Maddow!!! I love that he's "Hairy RED Dog" and he's a liberal Dream pairing at a conference here in town last year - Rachel Maddow and Anna Navarro... He would have enjoyed that one!! Full disclosure: I don't sit at large tables, I do a 2-top for myself. But, I have been in other social situations on board and on land where discussions on "forbidden" subjects happen. If they are civil and thought-provoking, I'm fine with them and wiling to contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slidergirl Posted June 24, 2019 #145 Share Posted June 24, 2019 11 hours ago, GUT2407 said: Dumb question maybe, but what is a maga hat?? It is a red baseball hat, with "Make America Great Again" printed on it. It started as a campaign hat for Trump in 2015. It was made in China. It is still worn by rabid Trump followers. It is known to provoke fights in the US (honestly) when it is worn out in public and not at a Trump rally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted June 24, 2019 #146 Share Posted June 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, slidergirl said: Rachel Maddow and Anna Navarro.. Talk about 'take no prisoners"!!! At least on Oceania it's open seating in the MDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveH2508 Posted June 24, 2019 #147 Share Posted June 24, 2019 38 minutes ago, sail7seas said: Then, why have one? 😕 Because it has a top quality tin-foil lining? (That is a joke BTW) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnocket Posted June 24, 2019 #148 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ed01106 said: It makes my position on Trump very clear. Hmmmm I'm guessing you also can't help discussing politics in the MDR? Edited June 24, 2019 by mnocket 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slidergirl Posted June 24, 2019 #149 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, clo said: Talk about 'take no prisoners"!!! At least on Oceania it's open seating in the MDR. Yeah, I had to work at the Front Desk that night, so I couldn't sneak in and listen to them. Well, just about everyone has open seating options now. I just don't like to start out at one table, get insulted or bored and have to move... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slidergirl Posted June 24, 2019 #150 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, ed01106 said: Does that include my hat that says, Morons Are Governing America? You can always buy the baseball hat from Andy Borowitz - it's blue and says "Make America Not Embarrassing Again"... What's a little odd is that I rarely see someone from another country wearing a blatantly political baseball hat. Now, do you wear your baseball hat into the MDR to assist with starting table conversation??? 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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