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6 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

Your server tips out the dishwasher, busser,  bartender, expeditor, etc.  On ship, if the auto grats are removed, the crew tips out those "behind the scences".

 

You mean on land? It must be a brand new thing because not once when I worked back of the house at a restaurant years ago, and not when two of my kids worked just a few years back.

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1 hour ago, dltvermont said:

Years ago before I started my career I worked in a restaurant in the kitchen. Not once did I ever get a share of the waiter/waitresses tips. I also never saw them passed out to the head chef, sous chef for dessert person.

 

If Carnival, or any other line, would pay their employees a proper wage then these "gratuities" could go away and people could tip those that directly give them a service over and above.

Our son waited tables at a popular seafood restaurant on the waterfront in Seattle during the summer months. Each shift management took a percentage of his tips for a house pool that was distributed to the kitchen line cooks and food prep and dishwashing crew. This system may not be common but it does happen here in the U.S. 

On Carnival I do believe its a service fee we pay.

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10 hours ago, Stick93 said:

Holding the mighty gratuities over their head. Do your job and if people want they can withhold payment. Nice system they have set up. 

 

 

Isn't this true of any service job that relies on Gratuities ?  This system is not specific to the cruise industry.

Waiters and Waitresses get screwed all the time in the U.S... I've seen it. 

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1 hour ago, dltvermont said:

Years ago before I started my career I worked in a restaurant in the kitchen. Not once did I ever get a share of the waiter/waitresses tips. I also never saw them passed out to the head chef, sous chef for dessert person.

 

 

 

Bummer !  The waitresses/waiters always shared a portion of their tips with the busboys and dishwashers when I worked in a restaurant.  They did this on their own -- no management involved.  What they gave you was purely discretionary.

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1 hour ago, purplephenom said:

If Carnival were to make gratuities included in the cruise fare, well all of a sudden, they're not the cheapest cruise line around.  And they can't advertise you that you can go on vacation and see the world for $30 a day (or whatever).  

See the world? On Carnival?

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Just now, xDisconnections said:

See the world? On Carnival?

 

All depends on your point of view and your experiences.  Some people don't have the opportunity to travel much/at all.  Someone I've cruised with didn't travel at all growing up, except to our neighboring state to see family.  So for him, going to Miami and going on a Western Caribbean cruise was definitely seeing the world.  I don't think cruising ever occurred to him before- but seeing 4 countries in a week drew him him. I've traveled more than he has- so there were definitely times when I looked at him like "how do you not know these things," when we were planning a cruise.  But ultimately, getting him out of his bubble was pretty fun.  

 

For someone that's been to many states, to Europe, and various other trips, Carnival definitely isn't seeing the world, I agree. 

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On 6/25/2019 at 7:33 PM, Kelownacruiser said:

If a tip is “expected “, then it’s not a tip but a service charge. Call it that. 

 

Ive also never understood the idea of tipping as a percentage of a bill. How does the cost of something relate to the quality of service you receive? 

Agreed!   A tip should not be related to the cost/amount of the bill.  If i spend $100.00 for dinner or $50.00 for dinner has no relevance to the service I received.  I don't believe you are entitled to a larger tip because I chose to spend more on my food.

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9 minutes ago, nissach said:

Agreed!   A tip should not be related to the cost/amount of the bill.  If i spend $100.00 for dinner or $50.00 for dinner has no relevance to the service I received.  I don't believe you are entitled to a larger tip because I chose to spend more on my food.

Not in the US

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6 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

Not in the US

If you mean this is not the case in the US, that the tip is based on a % of the bill.  In Canada it is the same.  I just do not agree with that.  I do not believe the server deserves a larger tip because I spent more on my meal.

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3 minutes ago, nissach said:

If you mean this is not the case in the US, that the tip is based on a % of the bill.  In Canada it is the same.  I just do not agree with that.  I do not believe the server deserves a larger tip because I spent more on my meal.

For years there's been a running gag in the U.S. among tipped employees in states that border Canada. It goes like this:

" What's the difference between a canoe and a Canadian? Canoes tip. " 

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5 minutes ago, nissach said:

If you mean this is not the case in the US, that the tip is based on a % of the bill.  In Canada it is the same.  I just do not agree with that.  I do not believe the server deserves a larger tip because I spent more on my meal.

I understand, I guess the point the point Is when in Rome......   As example, when I travel to Europe, I tip as is the accustomed practice there.  

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2 hours ago, jbethel11 said:

I never said that only one person gave me bad service. I said I didn't like all the service provided to me, as in I didn't like the food, the entertainment, the "heavy and hot" blankets, my room steward, etc. However, remember, these are all suppositions.

I know you are just playing devils advocate here but only one of the four items you mentioned (room steward) is  a tipping consideration. And “not liking” your room steward also does not warrant removing tips unless they were also inadequate and did not perform the normal tasks. And then you need to attempt correction at the time first.

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38 minutes ago, rainbowflag said:

For years there's been a running gag in the U.S. among tipped employees in states that border Canada. It goes like this:

" What's the difference between a canoe and a Canadian? Canoes tip. " 

LOL

Canada basically has the same tipping standards as the US.  Most restaurants now have tipping suggestions on the bill. 15 % is...., 18% is.... 20% is....., etc.

The main difference though is that we have a minimum wage that applies to all jobs, in restaurants, grocery stores, gas stations, etc.  Minimum wage here in Manitoba is $11.65/hr.  Where I believe in most US cities restaurant staff are paid quite poorly, so they heavily rely on their tips.

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4 hours ago, dltvermont said:

 

You mean on land? It must be a brand new thing because not once when I worked back of the house at a restaurant years ago, and not when two of my kids worked just a few years back.

It is not a new thing.  It is common in most better restaurants and bars.  It is why some tables get cleared faster, why some drinks come sooner, why meals come out before that table that ordered after you.  Wait staff are also known to tip out hosts to get better tables and you can bet if there is a Maitre, they are getting tipped out.  

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On 6/25/2019 at 10:06 AM, CruiseRonJulie said:

I think it is time for Carnival to make it near impossible to remove the gratuities. I have read all of the excuses people give and I believe they are just looking for a reason to not tip:

1. The crew doesn't get the tips (do you really think that after all this time, we would not have heard this?0

2. I like to tip in cash (yeah, and I am sure you track down the laundry people and those at the Lido Buffet to tip them)

3. I think tipping should not be mandated

4. Insert another reason here:  the crew doesn't speak English, I didn't get a chocolate on my pillow, I only got a Lanyard, etc.

 

Please if you are just looking for a way to stiff the crew, be honest and just say "I want to keep my $14.00.

We have never remove the tips. But I say leave it as it is. Or better yet go back to the system where you click to add the tip.

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On 6/26/2019 at 7:59 AM, PhillyFan33579 said:

 

I agree with you 100%. I am paying less for cruises now than I was 5 years ago. It’s probably farther back than 5 years ago, but I only started using a spreadsheet to track all our cruises in 2014. 

 

I can second this.

 

Way back in 1980, my wife and I took a 7 day cruise on NCL's Skyward.  NOT INCLUDING taxes/fees or gratuities, we paid $900 per person for an outside room....and this was considered competitive pricing for the day on a 16,000 ton ship, which is TINY in comparison to today's behemoths.

 

For me, not only have cruises gotten cheaper down through the years, the product itself has improved. Yes, they no longer have the midnight buffet and the dining room cuisine has suffered, but overall the experience itself has greatly improved.

 

Honestly, I would not want to go back to the cruise experience (or pricing) of the 1970's and 80's.  I'm fine with what's offered in 2019.

 

Garnett

 

 

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Yup... paying a lot less for more.  My 1st cruise was on the Carnival Jubilee in 1987... 733' long, 47 tonnes, 670 crew.

I'm paying less per day for my 16 day Journey's cruise to Hawaii with a balcony that I did with an inside cabin on the Jubilee. 

 

And don't forget that this was 32 years ago... inflation is 300% from 32 years ago, so really, today's cruises are only about 30% of past cruise prices from 1987. 



 

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36 minutes ago, VentureMan_2000 said:

  My 1st cruise was on the Carnival Jubilee in 1987... 733' long, 47 tonnes
 



 

46,052 tons and Jubilee was a good ship. Tips went in the envelopes the steward placed on the bed the last day of the cruise. Funny how so many people who ate dinner in the dining room all week didn't show on the last evening when the envelops were traditionally handed to the staff. Some things never change I suppose.

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14 minutes ago, sanmarcosman said:

 Funny how so many people who ate dinner in the dining room all week didn't show on the last evening when the envelops were traditionally handed to the staff. Some things never change I suppose.


We loved our MDR waiter on Jubilee... Eduardo.  Tall big built man, like a football player... but gentle and graceful... always served with a smile of pearly whites.  The envelops at the end was a nice touch.  It's been 12 years, but I think I would go to the purser's desk and they would give me envelopes for my end-of-cruise additional tipping.  Do they still provide envelopes ?  347 days until I cruise next... it will have been 13 years in-between.

I was looking at my old 1987 documents... if you used your S&S card for drinks, that auto added a 15% gratuity.  But I'm pretty sure I always paid for drinks in cash and not my S&S card.  I fact, I don't think I understood the concept of a S&S card... just thought of it as my cruise card to get on and off the ship.  I'm pretty sure I paid cash for everything back then.    

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10 minutes ago, VentureMan_2000 said:


We loved our MDR waiter on Jubilee... Eduardo.  Tall big built man, like a football player... but gentle and graceful... always served with a smile of pearly whites.  The envelops at the end was a nice touch.  It's been 12 years, but I think I would go to the purser's desk and they would give me envelopes for my end-of-cruise additional tipping.  Do they still provide envelopes ?  347 days until I cruise next... it will have been 13 years in-between.

I was looking at my old 1987 documents... if you used your S&S card for drinks, that auto added a 15% gratuity.  But I'm pretty sure I always paid for drinks in cash and not my S&S card.  I fact, I don't think I understood the concept of a S&S card... just thought of it as my cruise card to get on and off the ship.  I'm pretty sure I paid cash for everything back then.    

There wasn't a sail and sign card, we were given a metal room key like in a hotel. Charges were signed to the cabin by showing your cabin key. Envelopes are still available at the guest services counter. I recall having a paper card with my name and cabin number on it as proof I was a passenger to show at the gangway.

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12 hours ago, sanmarcosman said:

There wasn't a sail and sign card, we were given a metal room key like in a hotel. Charges were signed to the cabin by showing your cabin key. Envelopes are still available at the guest services counter. I recall having a paper card with my name and cabin number on it as proof I was a passenger to show at the gangway.

Wow you are old.....😎

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On 6/25/2019 at 10:06 AM, CruiseRonJulie said:

I think it is time for Carnival to make it near impossible to remove the gratuities. I have read all of the excuses people give and I believe they are just looking for a reason to not tip:

1. The crew doesn't get the tips (do you really think that after all this time, we would not have heard this?0

2. I like to tip in cash (yeah, and I am sure you track down the laundry people and those at the Lido Buffet to tip them)

3. I think tipping should not be mandated

4. Insert another reason here:  the crew doesn't speak English, I didn't get a chocolate on my pillow, I only got a Lanyard, etc.

 

Please if you are just looking for a way to stiff the crew, be honest and just say "I want to keep my $14.00.

I think tips should be automatic. If you have an issue or reason why you do not want to pay tips,  you should be required to go to guest services on the ship and explain what the problem is that created your decision.  I'm sure they would appreciate knowing what transpired so that they can correct the issue immediately and remedy the situation for the next guests boarding the ship.

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Just wanted to say I have removed tips in the past when cabin,dining service was extremely poor.  And usually this is after I have told the guest services desk,and nothing is improved.  Tips should be given for ok,or good service!

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