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I would like to book a trip on this ship in January 2020 so I am hoping that it is fixed by then, but I am wondering that since Allure is scheduled for a dry dock in 2020, that maybe they will move this date up? Obviously, all this is speculation, but my biggest fear is booking the trip and having them cancelling due to an unscheduled dry dock.

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46 minutes ago, Vitesacd said:

Obviously, all this is speculation, but my biggest fear is booking the trip and having them cancelling due to an unscheduled dry dock.

Very unlikely for that to happen since facilities that could accommodate are likely not available. 

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1 hour ago, Vitesacd said:

I would like to book a trip on this ship in January 2020 so I am hoping that it is fixed by then, but I am wondering that since Allure is scheduled for a dry dock in 2020, that maybe they will move this date up? Obviously, all this is speculation, but my biggest fear is booking the trip and having them cancelling due to an unscheduled dry dock.

It is possible!

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Keep in mind that they haven't announced Allure itinerary changes for sailings after October.  It's possible (likely?) that the itinerary and/or port times advertised will change.  

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We are booked in November and our cruise planner is still showing St. Thomas vs. San Juan. It's my opinion the azipod will not be fixed by then and I'm expecting a change to San Juan. I'm fine with that but if they change out CocoCay I will not be happy.

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1 minute ago, georgemoe said:

We are booked in November and our cruise planner is still showing St. Thomas vs. San Juan. It's my opinion the azipod will not be fixed by then and I'm expecting a change to San Juan. I'm fine with that but if the change out CocoCay I will not be happy.

They have no chance of fixing it unless thes take her out of service for weeks!🤔😱

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41 minutes ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

They have no chance of fixing it unless thes take her out of service for weeks!🤔😱

Yes. If before reg scheduled Dry Dock probably out of Service a Month, over and back... Only if gets worse or more issues

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Going on it sep 1st. I would be very upset if i was going to CocoCay. Going there Sep next year on the Mariner.

The Allure has three electric pods. One is not working. So they go slower. The had problems in 2013 and 2014 also. Great idea to save on money for fuel 6-9% savings and far better control of the ship because no rudder and they will turn 360 degrees. But all ships that have them are having problems. The Rolls Royce ones are the better ones. These are not and all have had problem on other ships also. The bearings are going out on them.

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39 minutes ago, twodaywonder said:

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The Allure has three electric pods. One is not working. So they go slower.  ...

 

Hopefully the Chief can chime in, but if one azipod is non-functional, and they lose another, I don't think they can legally dock on their own.  I seem to recall reading that they need redundancy in propulsion to dock on their own.

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2 minutes ago, Host Clarea said:

 

Hopefully the Chief can chime in, but if one azipod is non-functional, and they lose another, I don't think they can legally dock on their own.  I seem to recall reading that they need redundancy in propulsion to dock on their own.

There are tugs to assist. I do not have the answer. I am going on the cruise anyhow. let them worry abut it. not me.

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22 minutes ago, Host Clarea said:

 

Hopefully the Chief can chime in, but if one azipod is non-functional, and they lose another, I don't think they can legally dock on their own.  I seem to recall reading that they need redundancy in propulsion to dock on their own.

I also suspect they will cancel the March TA for passengers.... 🤔🙄

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10 minutes ago, Thorben-Hendrik said:

I also suspect they will cancel the March TA for passengers.... 🤔🙄

 

Could be, if that pod is totally non-functional.

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12 minutes ago, Host Clarea said:

 

Could be, if that pod is totally non-functional.

The problem pod is not used at all. At first they used it at slow speeds.

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40 minutes ago, Host Clarea said:

 

Could be, if that pod is totally non-functional.

 

What's the typical FCC for a Star Suite on a TA?

 

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39 minutes ago, twodaywonder said:

The problem pod is not used at all. At first they used it at slow speeds.

 

Could be they could use it in an emergency.  I suspect that at this point they are trying not to totally destroy the bearing before it can be replaced.

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3 hours ago, twodaywonder said:

Going on it sep 1st. I would be very upset if i was going to CocoCay. Going there Sep next year on the Mariner.

The Allure has three electric pods. One is not working. So they go slower. The had problems in 2013 and 2014 also. Great idea to save on money for fuel 6-9% savings and far better control of the ship because no rudder and they will turn 360 degrees. But all ships that have them are having problems. The Rolls Royce ones are the better ones. These are not and all have had problem on other ships also. The bearings are going out on them.

While azipods do save some fuel over the life of the ship, the major reason for going to azipods is the capital cost is less than for a conventional shafted propeller, rudder, multiple steering equipment, and thruster.  Azipod ships have no better control than a ship with rudders and thrusters.  And, actually, the Rolls Royce Mermaid pods were the cause of the lawsuit against Rolls Royce by Carnival Corp and RCI ($24 million and $65 million) for defects in their pods, and the reason that Mermaid pods have far and away less market share than ABB's azipod.  Since the Mermaid pods on the Celebrity ships, RCI has not used Rolls Royce, and I'm not sure any cruise ship installed Mermaid pods after these two lawsuits.  Rolls Royce, since acquired by Wartsila, and now by Kongsberg, has recently come out with a new pod design, hoping to get back into the market.

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3 hours ago, Host Clarea said:

 

Hopefully the Chief can chime in, but if one azipod is non-functional, and they lose another, I don't think they can legally dock on their own.  I seem to recall reading that they need redundancy in propulsion to dock on their own.

This is correct.  If there is only one means of steering (i.e. one pod functioning) it is up to the local port authorities as to whether the ship can enter port, or whether it requires an escort tug all the way from the sea buoy to the dock (as the USCG does for US ports).

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2 hours ago, Host Clarea said:

 

Could be, if that pod is totally non-functional.

She can still make 16-17 knots on two pods.

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1 hour ago, Host Clarea said:

 

Could be they could use it in an emergency.  I suspect that at this point they are trying not to totally destroy the bearing before it can be replaced.

Yep.

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1 minute ago, chengkp75 said:

She can still make 16-17 knots on two pods.

 

Didnt Oasis cross with two pods?

 

But she had no revenue passengers 

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