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3 minutes ago, Chiliburn said:

This is totally off topic but how come a lot of these viruses come from China?

Is there health system ? 

Because they have unsanitary cultural practices such as eating monkeys brains, dogs meat, bat soup, the list goes on. I don't believe humans should eat everything that moves..

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17 minutes ago, MichellePerth said:

Thanks for sharing the basis of your beliefs.  I hope you are correct.  Please keep us updated as to your thoughts. 

 

I find the following facts quite troubling. 

While the flu kills a  large number of people every year, we don't see footage of flu carriers collapsing in the streets.   

I've not heard of China building at least 4 field hospitals in anticipation of intake from flu or other sicknesses. 

The claim that there is a 14 day incubation period where symptomless people can spread the disease. 

The fact that 5 million people left the initial quarantine area less than 2 weeks ago.  

The claims that China is burning bodies without formally identifying them. 

Plus various other reports. 

 

I hope you are correct and I'm very interested in reading about your charts.  I remain skeptical that things will be settled by then.  I've taken actions to ensure, as best I can, the health, safety and comfort of my loved ones in the event it does go the other way. 

 

Thanks for your response.  💐

I'm just as intrigued by this as many of you all are. I'll keep you posted if I find anything interesting worth noting! 

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1 minute ago, Chiliburn said:

This is totally off topic but how come a lot of these viruses come from China?

Is there health system ? 

As they are by far the world's largest country, it would stand to reason that they would.  They have traditions, practices and superstitions that contribute very much to the cross species infection.  Most recently there was/is a thought that the bat soup they eat iin the local market caused it.  Bats are filthy.  They carry disease.  From what I understand, there will be cages of bats and diners will select a bat much like one would choose a lobster.   The vat is thrown live into the pot and once cooked is served whole without any removal of hair or organs and is then feasted upon.  There is a very active trade in exotic animals as the locals believe partaking in certain parts of certain animals will impart special powers to the one who eats those parts.  

A large part of the population does not believe in Western medicine and its been found that many of the Chinese herbal medicines are ineffective and sometimes toxic.  I will post some links to some videos that discuss  the cultural contribution to the crisis. 

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1 minute ago, MichellePerth said:

As they are by far the world's largest country, it would stand to reason that they would.  They have traditions, practices and superstitions that contribute very much to the cross species infection.  Most recently there was/is a thought that the bat soup they eat iin the local market caused it.  Bats are filthy.  They carry disease.  From what I understand, there will be cages of bats and diners will select a bat much like one would choose a lobster.   The vat is thrown live into the pot and once cooked is served whole without any removal of hair or organs and is then feasted upon.  There is a very active trade in exotic animals as the locals believe partaking in certain parts of certain animals will impart special powers to the one who eats those parts.  

A large part of the population does not believe in Western medicine and its been found that many of the Chinese herbal medicines are ineffective and sometimes toxic.  I will post some links to some videos that discuss  the cultural contribution to the crisis. 

 

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, MichellePerth said:

As they are by far the world's largest country, it would stand to reason that they would.  They have traditions, practices and superstitions that contribute very much to the cross species infection.  Most recently there was/is a thought that the bat soup they eat iin the local market caused it.  Bats are filthy.  They carry disease.  From what I understand, there will be cages of bats and diners will select a bat much like one would choose a lobster.   The vat is thrown live into the pot and once cooked is served whole without any removal of hair or organs and is then feasted upon.  There is a very active trade in exotic animals as the locals believe partaking in certain parts of certain animals will impart special powers to the one who eats those parts.  

A large part of the population does not believe in Western medicine and its been found that many of the Chinese herbal medicines are ineffective and sometimes toxic.  I will post some links to some videos that discuss  the cultural contribution to the crisis. 

India has the population but not the problem.

whats the difference?

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44 minutes ago, Chiliburn said:

India has the population but not the problem.

whats the difference?

Indians are mostly vegetarian and those who aren't eat protein from farmed animals, not from diseased wild animals like bats. 

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55 minutes ago, Chiliburn said:

India has the population but not the problem.

whats the difference?

The first link I provided above talks about India.  They have only now had their first confirmed case.  It will be interesting to see the reaction there.  As Winston pointed out, they are very open to receiving help from first world countries and are more open. 

 

The two guys in that first linked video lived for about 13 years in China and only just now moved to the us.  They have Chinese wives and a massive network of contacts  in China.  One area where they lived has no reports of infection, but their friends there are telling them there are a lot of dead bodies.  

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11 minutes ago, MichellePerth said:

The first link I provided above talks about India.  They have only now had their first confirmed case.  It will be interesting to see the reaction there.  As Winston pointed out, they are very open to receiving help from first world countries and are more open. 

 

The two guys in that first linked video lived for about 13 years in China and only just now moved to the us.  They have Chinese wives and a massive network of contacts  in China.  One area where they lived has no reports of infection, but their friends there are telling them there are a lot of dead bodies.  

That’s interesting Michelle .
As said with China,the only consistency is the none consistently.

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On 1/29/2020 at 3:28 PM, ChollaChick said:

I haven't been able to search through all the pages of notes here but I was wondering if anyone knew anything about ships doing the Iceland/Norway trips in 2022.  My husband and I have that as our bucket list cruise and would like to do it in 2022.  

 

Thanks in advance.

 

I am still waiting to book the 2021 Iceland/Norway TA...if RCI even does that route again. 😮 

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On 1/30/2020 at 12:13 PM, springaussie said:

That Voyager Port Bookings Singapore to Los Angeles you can now add Cairns 5 June 2021. 

Darwin 1 June

Cairns (Yorkeys Knob) 5 June

Airlie Beach 6 June?

Brisbane 8 June 

Sydney 10 June

Honolulu - Oahu 21 - 22 June

Lahaina - Maui 23 June

 

I'm waiting, anxiously, for the new Voyager itineraries especially if they turn out to be cruises out of southern California! Any clue when we'll see this sailings open up?

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On 1/31/2020 at 2:13 PM, island lady said:

 

I am still waiting to book the 2021 Iceland/Norway TA...if RCI even does that route again. 😮 


Sadly I won’t be sure about that at all... it’s not clear if another ship comes to Southampton in 2021, and otherwise the only possible candidate for that route would have been Adventure, and obviously she doesn’t do such an itinerary. If you’re interested in such a cruise, have a look at NCL, Princess in 2021.

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Anyone have any inside information on where Brilliance is from May until early September 2021?  Big blank spot there.  

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10 hours ago, shipfriend_max said:


Sadly I won’t be sure about that at all... it’s not clear if another ship comes to Southampton in 2021, and otherwise the only possible candidate for that route would have been Adventure, and obviously she doesn’t do such an itinerary. If you’re interested in such a cruise, have a look at NCL, Princess in 2021.

 

Thanks... Next cruise manager here on Vision thinks the west bound TA that hits Greenland/Iceland will be posted in April.  Will continue to wait until then...and if not...looks like something alternate.  Brilliance seems to have done a disappearing act from May to Sept. in 2021.  

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4 hours ago, island lady said:

Anyone have any inside information on where Brilliance is from May until early September 2021?  Big blank spot there.  

Brilliance should be at Tampa doing short Caribbean sailings. 

 

Port Bookings showing at Grand Cayman for the entire season and the return from Boston. 

 

1. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-05-03 10:00:00.000 2021-05-03 19:00:00.000
2. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-05-20 10:00:00.000 2021-05-20 19:00:00.000
3. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-05-24 10:00:00.000 2021-05-24 19:00:00.000
4. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-06-03 10:00:00.000 2021-06-03 19:00:00.000
5. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-06-17 10:00:00.000 2021-06-17 19:00:00.000
6. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-06-21 10:00:00.000 2021-06-21 19:00:00.000
7. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-07-01 10:00:00.000 2021-07-01 19:00:00.000
8. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-07-15 10:00:00.000 2021-07-15 19:00:00.000
9. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-07-19 10:00:00.000 2021-07-19 19:00:00.000
10. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-07-29 10:00:00.000 2021-07-29 19:00:00.000
11. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-08-12 10:00:00.000 2021-08-12 19:00:00.000
12. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-08-16 10:00:00.000 2021-08-16 19:00:00.000
13. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-08-24 10:00:00.000 2021-08-24 19:00:00.000
14. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-09-01 10:00:00.000 2021-09-01 19:00:00.000
15. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-11-16 10:00:00.000 2021-11-16 19:00:00.000
16. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-12-09 10:00:00.000 2021-12-09 19:00:00.000
17. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-12-27 10:00:00.000 2021-12-27 19:00:00.000
18. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2022-01-01 10:00:00.000 2022-01-01 18:00:00.000

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I don‘t understand why they would decide to use Brilliance for year round short party cruises in warm Caribbean waters, a total waste of her advantages.

Edited by Saab4444

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1 hour ago, Saab4444 said:

I don‘t understand why they would decide to use Brilliance for year round short party cruises in warm Caribbean waters, a total waste of her advantages.

Because they've been increasing their short cruise offerings and someone calculated they could make the most profit if she stays in Tampa. 

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1 hour ago, Saab4444 said:

I don‘t understand why they would decide to use Brilliance for year round short party cruises in warm Caribbean waters, a total waste of her advantages.


I guess it’s a totally waste for her to sail from Tampa in the winter then also. 
 

Brilliance is already doing those itineraries. They want to expand their presence in the Caribbean from Tampa. It is logical. 

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The reasoning behind  several of the moves of ships in recent months seem to be quite strategic. MSC will have the Amonia sailing year round from Tampa starting in November of 2020. This seems to have led to the Brilliance move. 

 

The pending move of Quantum to join Ovation at Seattle seems to be strategic as well with NCL having 2 top ships at Seattle. 

 

The short cruise market seems to be vital to RCI to build and maintain their market share and to feed future longer sailings as the clients mature. I would bet they are getting very high shipboard revenue per day on these sailings or they would not be making these moves. 

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Brilliance is still doing her Canada 7niters and the Boston to Tampa Repo Sept-Nov 2020 and 2021(which I'm on). Waiting to see if after Summer 21 in Tampa she'll do a nice extended Repo back to Bos in Sep2021

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9 hours ago, OfTheSeasCruiser said:

Because they've been increasing their short cruise offerings and someone calculated they could make the most profit if she stays in Tampa. 

That does not change my point that it is a shame and waste to let such a ship do such cruises also in summer. If it would not be driven by the bridge restrictions in Tampa they would send a Voyager class ship with water slides, flow rider and such but not Brilliance that is much better used for longer itinerary focused cruises. It would be much better to switch Brilliance with Rhapsody or Vision!

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13 hours ago, MADflyer said:

Brilliance should be at Tampa doing short Caribbean sailings. 

 

Port Bookings showing at Grand Cayman for the entire season and the return from Boston. 

 

1. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-05-03 10:00:00.000 2021-05-03 19:00:00.000
2. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-05-20 10:00:00.000 2021-05-20 19:00:00.000
3. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-05-24 10:00:00.000 2021-05-24 19:00:00.000
4. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-06-03 10:00:00.000 2021-06-03 19:00:00.000
5. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-06-17 10:00:00.000 2021-06-17 19:00:00.000
6. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-06-21 10:00:00.000 2021-06-21 19:00:00.000
7. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-07-01 10:00:00.000 2021-07-01 19:00:00.000
8. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-07-15 10:00:00.000 2021-07-15 19:00:00.000
9. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-07-19 10:00:00.000 2021-07-19 19:00:00.000
10. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-07-29 10:00:00.000 2021-07-29 19:00:00.000
11. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-08-12 10:00:00.000 2021-08-12 19:00:00.000
12. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-08-16 10:00:00.000 2021-08-16 19:00:00.000
13. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-08-24 10:00:00.000 2021-08-24 19:00:00.000
14. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-09-01 10:00:00.000 2021-09-01 19:00:00.000
15. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-11-16 10:00:00.000 2021-11-16 19:00:00.000
16. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-12-09 10:00:00.000 2021-12-09 19:00:00.000
17. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2021-12-27 10:00:00.000 2021-12-27 19:00:00.000
18. Brilliance of the Seas Royal Caribbean Cruises 2,500 2,500 2022-01-01 10:00:00.000 2022-01-01 18:00:00.000

 

Thanks...not sure why this schedule does not show up for booking on RCI website or another one I use. Strange.  Shows nothing for May, June, July, and August of 2021.  

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11 hours ago, Saab4444 said:

I don‘t understand why they would decide to use Brilliance for year round short party cruises in warm Caribbean waters, a total waste of her advantages.

 

Totally agree. 

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1 hour ago, Saab4444 said:

That does not change my point that it is a shame and waste to let such a ship do such cruises also in summer. If it would not be driven by the bridge restrictions in Tampa they would send a Voyager class ship with water slides, flow rider and such but not Brilliance that is much better used for longer itinerary focused cruises. It would be much better to switch Brilliance with Rhapsody or Vision!

I never disagreed with your point. I was just providing an explanation as to why I think they decided to keep her in Tampa during the summer. 

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28 minutes ago, island lady said:

 

Thanks...not sure why this schedule does not show up for booking on RCI website or another one I use. Strange.  Shows nothing for May, June, July, and August of 2021.  

Those are only port bookings giving us an advance insight into what Royal has not yet released. 

Edited by Ourusualbeach

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10 hours ago, Saab4444 said:

That does not change my point that it is a shame and waste to let such a ship do such cruises also in summer. If it would not be driven by the bridge restrictions in Tampa they would send a Voyager class ship with water slides, flow rider and such but not Brilliance that is much better used for longer itinerary focused cruises. It would be much better to switch Brilliance with Rhapsody or Vision!

 

TOTALLY AGREE!! Radiance-Class is a really flexible class of ships, best suitable for cruises to Northern Europe or Alaska with port-intensive itineraries or more advanced itineraries as such. IMHO it's a huge waste to do such uninspiring short-cruises with such as ship.

IMHO Adventure's Europe deployment in 2021 prooves that Radiance-Class is far better for such Northern Europe cruises: Adventure does not do any Norwegian Fjord cruises, the Arctic Circle cruise is not offered in 2021, which has been offered since 2012 every year, at least once from Copenhagen. She's just doing Baltic cruises, with two useless sea-days between Copenhagen and Tallinn, and the 7-night runs just call at three ports...

I really miss her in Europe already...

 

I'd also rather like to see the old Majesty doing such short-cruises from Tampa, or Enchantment, another Vision-Class ship, or Empress. 

Enchantment to Tampa, Brilliance taking over the Baltimore cruises - why not? 🙄

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