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What should the host percentage be in the odd chance we hit a Hand Pay during the slot pull

 

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2 hours ago, Bases5 said:

What should the host percentage be in the odd chance we hit a Hand Pay during the slot pull

 

The host percentage should be zero!  Unless of course they were one of the high scorers based on the rules set for everyone.

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6 minutes ago, Funky Fusion FoodsJ said:

The host percentage should be zero!  Unless of course they were one of the high scorers based on the rules set for everyone.

So the host should pay the tax's if there is a hand pay and everyone else walks scott free? 

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1 minute ago, Bases5 said:

So the host should pay the tax's if there is a hand pay and everyone else walks scott free? 

Ahhh...you didn't add that in your question that they'd be using your players card.  The easiest answer is, don't have a players card inserted!  I know it is attractive to have your card in to get the additional players points, but not worth it in the event of a payout.  Just don't have a players card inserted and either:  have someone (such as from Canada) from a country that won't have to pay taxes claim the winning, or agree among yourselves who will claim the winning and give them a share to account for their tax liability (usually 30% of the jackpot to account for state/federal/possible local).

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On 8/18/2019 at 8:14 AM, Bases5 said:

What should the host percentage be in the odd chance we hit a Hand Pay during the slot pull

 

Was on Celebrity in a slot pull and one of the people hit a hand pay. Celebrity did nothing as far as a 1099g.

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that's interesting dkj ,  we were greeted by the casino manager and her assistant and they explained  steps in completing W - 2G form before departing.

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Try to have someone with a Canadian passport in the pull, they are tax free. If you get a jackpot refund them their buyin and split the remainder. It doesn’t matter whose card is in the machine but if sailing NCL just know that handpay will be held against you when booking your next comp

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On 9/5/2019 at 5:47 AM, Casino Comp Chick said:

have someone with a Canadian passport in the pull, they are tax free

 

On 8/18/2019 at 11:13 AM, Funky Fusion FoodsJ said:

have someone (such as from Canada) from a country that won't have to pay taxes 

 

Are you guys sure about this for Canadians?  If so, this makes me very happy 🙂. If not, OP should find someone from a different country.

 

As a Canadian, I get 30% withheld for taxes on handpays in US casinos.  I have to file US income tax and IF my losses exceed winnings, only then do I get some/all of it back.  I assumed this would be the same for cruise/casinos owned by a US company.

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On 9/7/2019 at 6:56 PM, SlipperyP said:

 

 

Are you guys sure about this for Canadians?  If so, this makes me very happy 🙂. If not, OP should find someone from a different country.

 

As a Canadian, I get 30% withheld for taxes on handpays in US casinos.  I have to file US income tax and IF my losses exceed winnings, only then do I get some/all of it back.  I assumed this would be the same for cruise/casinos owned by a US company.

 

Yes. We have had Canadians claim the jackpot and they were not issued tax forms, they had to produce their passport and sign for the claim for the casinos purpose only. There are lots of threads about it online and on CC. 

 

https://www.casino.ca/guides/taxation/

 

That said, us Canadians don't have to worry. Unless you are a professional gambler, gambling winnings are considered windfall under traditional common law and not subject to tax. When we win on board, I believe they still issue a 1099 essentially for their records, but it certainly isn't reportable income to the IRS and it's just a piece of paper for the Canada Revenue Agency.

 

(Note: If you have more than $10,000 in cash or cheques, you still have to report that at U.S. and Canadian customs. It's not taxable, but it can be confiscated if not claimed. And for the U.S. that means reporting it when you arrive back to port and again when you're leaving the country.)

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On 9/13/2019 at 6:24 AM, Casino Comp Chick said:

Yes. We have had Canadians claim the jackpot and they were not issued tax forms, they had to produce their passport and sign for the claim for the casinos purpose only. There are lots of threads about it online and on CC. 

 

https://www.casino.ca/guides/taxation/

 

That said, us Canadians don't have to worry. Unless you are a professional gambler, gambling winnings are considered windfall under traditional common law and not subject to tax. When we win on board, I believe they still issue a 1099 essentially for their records, but it certainly isn't reportable income to the IRS and it's just a piece of paper for the Canada Revenue Agency.

 

 

Thanks for the link.  However, under the section "What About Gambling in The USA Or Vegas As a Canadian Citizen?", it states:

 

If you head over to the land of the red, white and blue to gamble, you will have to pay taxes on anything over $1200 USD. If you think you can just not declare it, think again. When you walk up to that booth to happily cash out, 30% is automatically deducted. You don't even have a say so.

 

I can confirm this is true as I have personally had a number of hand-pays in Las Vegas and New Orleans and have had 30% for taxes withheld each time.  I was issued a 1042-S form (Foreign Person's U.S. Source Income Subject to Withholding) which I used to file a U.S. Income Tax to get it (or a portion of it) back.

 

I guess what I was really wondering was (although I didn't really say it clearly) if there are criteria on cruise casinos that would affect Canadians having to pay taxes - e.g. US-based/registered cruise line, being in international waters, home port, etc. - since some Canadians didn't pay taxes on their cruise casino hand pays.

 

 

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Cruise ships are exempt as they are flagged in the Bahamas. Trust me, we had a hand pay and a frenemy collected on it using her Canadian passport, I would have heard about it by now had she been taxed on it. Her and her husband trash talk me every chance they get so I am 100% sure on this one haha.

 

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On 9/15/2019 at 4:20 PM, Casino Comp Chick said:

Cruise ships are exempt as they are flagged in the Bahamas. Trust me, we had a hand pay and a frenemy collected on it using her Canadian passport, I would have heard about it by now had she been taxed on it. Her and her husband trash talk me every chance they get so I am 100% sure on this one haha.

 

 

Has nothing to do with where the ship is flagged, has totally to do with the laws of your country.

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11 hours ago, dkjretired said:

 

Has nothing to do with where the ship is flagged, has totally to do with the laws of your country.

 

Not true otherwise we would get a W2-G on hand pays in the Bahamas at places like the Atlantis or Bahamar.

Americans don’t.

 

Edited by Casino Comp Chick

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On 9/24/2019 at 4:30 AM, Casino Comp Chick said:

 

Not true otherwise we would get a W2-G on hand pays in the Bahamas at places like the Atlantis or Bahamar.

Americans don’t.

 

Depends on the casinos following laws of the countries that the winner comes from,  has nothing to do with where the ships are flagged. They are flagged all over the world not just Bahamas

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21 hours ago, dkjretired said:

Depends on the casinos following laws of the countries that the winner comes from,  has nothing to do with where the ships are flagged. They are flagged all over the world not just Bahamas

 

Ok in all fairness I sail out of the Northeast where the ships are flagged out of the Bahamas and that has always been my experience (& I have lots of experience!) & I will leave it at that.

 

Edited by Casino Comp Chick

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On 9/7/2019 at 6:56 PM, SlipperyP said:

 

 

Are you guys sure about this for Canadians?  If so, this makes me very happy 🙂. If not, OP should find someone from a different country.

 

As a Canadian, I get 30% withheld for taxes on handpays in US casinos.  I have to file US income tax and IF my losses exceed winnings, only then do I get some/all of it back.  I assumed this would be the same for cruise/casinos owned by a US company.

 

You do have to file a us tax return to get the taxes withheld refunded, if the casino withholds. The casino shouldn't withhold funds for a Canadian and send it to the US, as they aren't on US soil.  Many have testified that the casino may issue a w2g to a Canadian, without withholding. The Canadian can then just toss it in the trash, as they don't owe Canada taxes on them and they aren't obligated to file in the US. 

 

On 9/24/2019 at 4:30 AM, Casino Comp Chick said:

Has nothing to do with where the ship is flagged, has totally to do with the laws of your country.

 

Not true otherwise we would get a W2-G on hand pays in the Bahamas at places like the Atlantis or Bahamar.

Americans don’t.

 

 

Whether you owe taxes or not has to do with the laws of your country.  Whether the casino issues a W2-G or not depends on if they have a policy, either nationally or that casino to operate under US laws.  The W2-G is a US tax form.  The US can require that US citizens claim and pay taxes on gambling winnings, but it can't force casinos in other countries to withhold and file W2-G's on their behalf. 

 

So both of these statements are true.  

 

If the ship has a presence in the US, regardless of where it's flagged, they will likely follow US regulations regarding issuance of W2-Gs.  The Bahama Casinos have no requirement to tax US citizens or file W-2s on payouts to US Citizens. 

 

 

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On 10/11/2019 at 10:54 AM, Justaddvodka68 said:

 

You do have to file a us tax return to get the taxes withheld refunded, if the casino withholds. The casino shouldn't withhold funds for a Canadian and send it to the US, as they aren't on US soil.  Many have testified that the casino may issue a w2g to a Canadian, without withholding. The Canadian can then just toss it in the trash, as they don't owe Canada taxes on them and they aren't obligated to file in the US. 

 

 

Whether you owe taxes or not has to do with the laws of your country.  Whether the casino issues a W2-G or not depends on if they have a policy, either nationally or that casino to operate under US laws.  The W2-G is a US tax form.  The US can require that US citizens claim and pay taxes on gambling winnings, but it can't force casinos in other countries to withhold and file W2-G's on their behalf. 

 

So both of these statements are true.  

 

If the ship has a presence in the US, regardless of where it's flagged, they will likely follow US regulations regarding issuance of W2-Gs.  The Bahama Casinos have no requirement to tax US citizens or file W-2s on payouts to US Citizens. 

 

 

Add to this that some casinos on ships are contracted out to companies not owned by the cruise line.

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