carnival collision

[Tom O.]

33 minutes ago, Copper10-8 said:

 

Doesn't work that way; the captain has ultimate responsibility and is always on the bridge next to (or behind) the pilot when entering or leaving a port

I am sure you are correct.

I've always wondered what goes on in the bridge after the Harbor Pilot comes on board. Does a Captain really trust his ship and passengers to some local guy, he may not even know? It would be interesting to know what went on in that bridge between the Captain and the Pilot. We will probably never know.

[Copper10-8]

4 minutes ago, Tom O. said:

I am sure you are correct.

I've always wondered what goes on in the bridge after the Harbor Pilot comes on board. Does a Captain really trust his ship and passengers to some local guy, he may not even know? It would be interesting to know what went on in that bridge between the Captain and the Pilot. We will probably never know.

 

After being dropped off by his boat, and having scaled the pilot/Jacob's ladder to come onboard, the pilot is escorted to the bridge by either the security officer or a navigator. He/she is introduced to the captain (in frequently visited ports, they usually already know each other). The captain will give the pilot a short briefing as to the current status of his ship (course, heading and speed) and her (the ship's) specs, and will then introduce the pilot to the officer of the watch (and staff captain) who, along with the helmsman, is actually controlling the ship's course, heading and speed at that time.

 

When the pilot is happy, he/she will "take the conn" (or con) by announcing same. That announcement "pilot has the conn" is verbally repeated by those on the bridge and is picked up by the Voice Date Recorder (kinda like a black box on a commercial airplane). The pilot will then take over and will start giving the helmsman orders as far as course, heading and speed. The captain (and OOW) will however be glued to his own monitor and will take back the con if he is not happy with the way things are going.   

 

In some foreign ports, the local pilots are more than happy to have the captain and his bridge team remain in full control of the ship and will just be in an "advising role" as to local conditions/current/wind/shipping, while happily consuming his cup of hot java, fetched for him by the second quartermaster

[AlanF65]

Glad no one was injured.

I wonder who ordered Glory style scrambled eggs - 😏

[kangforpres]

ABC news reported that the Glory will not only finish it 's cruise but will sail on it's next scheduled cruise which is Sunday from New Orleans. With all that damage to the dining room I don't see how the can?

 

-Paul

[Himself]

It  was a sad incident.

[the2ofus]

From following Captain Albert's blog for several years, I would bet the temporary repairs were already underway while the guests were heading off for the day.  The ships do carry supplies in case wind or water break a window or door and also to block off areas when necessary maintenance is going on.  This is on a larger scale, of course.  It is likely that the home office located a local supplier for whatever is needed to enclose the area so the ship can safely travel back to home port.  An amusing story, to me anyway, is this:  my son builds, installs and maintains the shows in the Royal Caribbean ships, including the new builds.  Over the years he has been in foreign ports to install/maintain and finds that a tool or part has not been shipped.  He now knows the best hardware stores near those ports and has been able to obtain what he needs despite language differences.  Photos, sketches and pantomime work when language fails.

[Aquahound]

1 hour ago, kangforpres said:

ABC news reported that the Glory will not only finish it 's cruise but will sail on it's next scheduled cruise which is Sunday from New Orleans. With all that damage to the dining room I don't see how the can?

 

-Paul

 

I'm surprised as well.  That damage is significant and destroyed a good chunk of the main dining room. 

 

[idiebabe]

6 hours ago, Aquahound said:

 

That is true, but Carnival's history of hitting other ships is quite alarming.  I know of at least 4 incidents, twice in Cozumel, where Carnival ships ran in to a docked ship.  The others I can remember were in Key West and Puerto Vallarta.  

 

I can recall several incidents where other Cruise Line Ships hit another Ship or a Pier.  NCL has had a few including hitting a RCL Ship in Bermuda, Celebrity took out a Pier in Ketchikan and hit a Costa Ship in Italy.  MSC has had a few incidents as well including hitting a Tourist Boat and the Pier in Venice and a Pier in Honduras.  

 

This is not isolated to just Carnival and in all cases Weather especially Wind was the contributing factor.

[avian777]

On 12/20/2019 at 5:38 PM, seacruise9 said:

 ... I wonder if anyone was in the dining room when the collision occurred ... 

 

 

According to one of Carnival's press statements on this matter, there was no "collision" between Glory and Legend, as only one of the two ships was moving ... which made this mishap an "allision".

[Aquahound]

49 minutes ago, idiebabe said:

 

I can recall several incidents where other Cruise Line Ships hit another Ship or a Pier.  NCL has had a few including hitting a RCL Ship in Bermuda, Celebrity took out a Pier in Ketchikan and hit a Costa Ship in Italy.  MSC has had a few incidents as well including hitting a Tourist Boat and the Pier in Venice and a Pier in Honduras.  

 

This is not isolated to just Carnival and in all cases Weather especially Wind was the contributing factor.

 

I get what you're saying but I was referring to ships hitting other ships, not piers.  I can think of no other cruise line that has struck other ships as much as Carnival has.  Legend, Splendor, Fantasy and Glory all hit other ships in the past decade.  

[ski ww]

I'm sure that the Monday morning quarter backs will be sitting in their arm chairs assigning blame, when they don't have a clue.  

[puppycanducruise]

I'm glad no one was seriously hurt in the "allision".

[dobiemom]

8 hours ago, Aquahound said:

 

I get what you're saying but I was referring to ships hitting other ships, not piers.  I can think of no other cruise line that has struck other ships as much as Carnival has.  Legend, Splendor, Fantasy and Glory all hit other ships in the past decade.  

Didn't 2 HAL ships collide (or allide?) in Vancouver this summer?

[cat shepard]

10 hours ago, avian777 said:

 

According to one of Carnival's press statements on this matter, there was no "collision" between Glory and Legend, as only one of the two ships was moving ... which made this mishap an "allision".

How interesting. It does not make the damage go away, but very interesting.

[AV8rix]

59 minutes ago, dobiemom said:

Didn't 2 HAL ships collide (or allide?) in Vancouver this summer?

Oh, yeah.  I remember that.  Wasn't that Odam and NA?

[Aquahound]

12 hours ago, avian777 said:

 

According to one of Carnival's press statements on this matter, there was no "collision" between Glory and Legend, as only one of the two ships was moving ... which made this mishap an "allision".

 

2 hours ago, cat shepard said:

How interesting. It does not make the damage go away, but very interesting.

 

That's actually an accurate statement.  A collision is between 2 moving objects, hence "co."   An allision is between a moving object and a stationary object.  

[cat shepard]

10 minutes ago, Aquahound said:

 

 

That's actually an accurate statement.  A collision is between 2 moving objects, hence "co."   An allision is between a moving object and a stationary object.  

I have certainly expanded my knowledge in a variety of areas thanks to CC!

[boards]

12 hours ago, avian777 said:

 

According to one of Carnival's press statements on this matter, there was no "collision" between Glory and Legend, as only one of the two ships was moving ... which made this mishap an "allision".

what dictionary did that come from?

[Copper10-8]

2 hours ago, Av8rix said:

Oh, yeah.  I remember that.  Wasn't that Odam and NA?

 

Yes Ma'am, 04 May 2019. Oostie's captain looking pensive, while her staff captain and a civilian investigator are taking pics of Nieuw A

 

[Aquahound]

17 minutes ago, boards said:

what dictionary did that come from?

 

Merriam Webster

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allision

[Aquahound]

Live footage of the ship being repaired.

[avian777]

3 hours ago, boards said:

what dictionary did that come from?

 

Although I'm fairly certain that all of the major English-language dictionaries include the word "allision", I didn't need to look it up, as I learned it many, many years ago and surprisingly haven't forgotten!

[boards]

21 minutes ago, avian777 said:

 

Although I'm fairly certain that all of the major English-language dictionaries include the word "allision", I didn't need to look it up, as I learned it many, many years ago and surprisingly haven't forgotten!

Thank you, had not heard of it before today.

[avian777]

Just now, boards said:

Thank you, had not heard of it before today.

You're welcome.

[Copper10-8]

51 minutes ago, avian777 said:

 

Although I'm fairly certain that all of the major English-language dictionaries include the word "allision", I didn't need to look it up, as I learned it many, many years ago and surprisingly haven't forgotten!

 

Being of simple mind and feeding off the bottom, I thought it was a girls name; something about "Wonderland".................

Edited December 22, 2019 by Copper10-8