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7 hours ago, Roland4 said:

 

As I said in my post, these are just accepted definitions that arose over time and go back to before I entered the industry 15 years ago. How they came to be grouped this way is anyone's guess, but they are a convenient way of differentiating the segments in a discussion, whether it be on CC or with a client. As to Berlitz, or any of the other ratings, no they may not be wrong, but that has nothing to do with how the terminology has evolved.

 

To your specific question about Viking Ocean, I have a few clients who have sailed with them, and they split pretty evenly between those who like them and those who don't. The most frequent concerns from both sides is the lack of a casino, poor entertainment options, and a ship with almost nothing going on after 10:30 each evening. Based purely on those subjective observations, and never having sailed Ocean myself, I would have to say Berlitz is incorrect in their ratings, but like the Berlitz ratings, that is my opinion, based on an admittedly small sample size. As someone else on this board has been know to observe, YMMV.

 

The grouping is probably based on the "average" of all ships (for Oceania, I would consider the O class ship much closer to the luxury category than the R ships). Maybe it's time for the "industry" to reconsider those definitions from 15 years ago?

 

Interesting regarding Viking (to me lack of a casino would be a big plus - could never understand people spending thousands on vacation and wasting days in a casino), but if you compile all cruise ratings from CC members, Viking would be #1, Azamara #2 and Crystal #3. See the full list here. Look where Silversea and Regent are. Surprising isn't it?

 

P.S. I remember another line that we sailed didn't have a casino, but I cannot remember which one?

 

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55 minutes ago, ak1004 said:

 

The grouping is probably based on the "average" of all ships (for Oceania, I would consider the O class ship much closer to the luxury category than the R ships). Maybe it's time for the "industry" to reconsider those definitions from 15 years ago?

 

 

No, it is based on historical usage and predates all of the "Premium/Super Premium" lines, none of which existed when I entered the industry 15 years ago. Suggesting that "the industry" rethink that usage is like suggesting "the world" stop calling every brand of tissue paper "Kleenex". It isn't going to happen.

 

Not sure I can agree with those rankings, and given the small number of cruisers who have even heard of CC, and as subset of that, the even smaller number who submit reviews, I am not sure you can put much stock in those numbers. They certainly do not correspond to my agency's, also admittedly small, piece of what happens in the real world. But again, YMMV.

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On 12/31/2019 at 5:56 PM, Roland4 said:

 

I suspect you are safe until at least 2023 and maybe even longer. As a general "rule" it takes about three years (give or take) from announcement of a new ship to delivery. We are now on the doorstep of 2020 and the silence from Crystal on a new ship is deafening! I call it the "New Ship of Myth and Legend"!


I think we may finally be starting the stopwatch (and 2023 it would be)...  Genting sourced the propulsion systems for the Universal Class Last month, which was our first signal of a green light on their prior newbuilds.  (They went with LNG engines powering Azipods.). Now just waiting to hear the first Universal ship goes (HOPEFULLY) to Crystal.

 

Vince

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8 hours ago, BWIVince said:


I think we may finally be starting the stopwatch (and 2023 it would be)...  Genting sourced the propulsion systems for the Universal Class Last month, which was our first signal of a green light on their prior newbuilds.  (They went with LNG engines powering Azipods.). Now just waiting to hear the first Universal ship goes (HOPEFULLY) to Crystal.

 

Vince

 

Vince, I hope you are right, but I will believe it when I actually see the announcement. Or maybe hear from Mr. Wolbers during the World Cruise!

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Well, as long as you're going to set the Countdown Clock to 2023, here are some others to think about.
 

 

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On 12/27/2019 at 7:41 AM, drib said:

I think this is a fair fare comparison ....

 
Serenity PH:
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Explorer F2 with air credit:
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David - can you run the same query again now that you have pricing for port charges included for Crystal? It’s going to make the comparison interesting. Perhaps you could also do a standard verandah (not suite)  on Serenity as well
 
Is tour description of Explorer correct? Isn’t it Without Air Credit given you’ve selected that option according to the screen shot. To get a fair comparison it should be without the air credit 
 
It really is good to see just what your money buys between the two lines 
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6 minutes ago, Stickman1990 said:

David - can you run the same query again now that you have pricing for port charges included for Crystal? It’s going to make the comparison interesting. Perhaps you could also do a standard verandah (not suite)  on Serenity as well

 

Did you pay for a butler?

 

Everyone on Cruise Critic, except one, can get the screen to look as in the screen shot. Just make a filter that has no results, for example, set the year selector to 2022, and the fare history select to something in 2019.

 

7 minutes ago, Stickman1990 said:

Is tour description of Explorer correct? Isn’t it Without Air Credit given you’ve selected that option according to the screen shot.

 

When the "no air" checkbox is checked, it means that the air credit has been subtracted from the regular fare - everywhere you see a regular fare on the page, including all the fare history, and all calculations, % and per diem, are made from that.

 

When the "fees" checkbox is checked, it means that the fees amount, which is port fees, taxes, and a small kickback for me, has been added to the regular fare -  - everywhere you see a regular fare on the page,  and so on.

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2 minutes ago, drib said:

Did you pay for a butler?


I’ll consider myself told then 😉

 

I never read the manual so I guess it’s my fault for not paying attention 😀

 

I shall enjoy the power it generating the reportlet for myself then 

 

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Just now, Stickman1990 said:

I shall enjoy the power it generating the reportlet for myself then 

 

Since you'll be going through the effort anyway can you post it here - yes, I'm lazy and no, I didn't pay for a butler 🙂 

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3 hours ago, Roland4 said:

 

Vince, I hope you are right, but I will believe it when I actually see the announcement. Or maybe hear from Mr. Wolbers during the World Cruise!

 

TOTALLY agree — I’m not betting ANYTHING on it...  But if there has been one thing that has been a solid indicator on everything Genting has built so far, it’s been the engine orders...  So that’s at least a feel-good milestone for progress.  They don’t start shelling out big obligations for expensive systems until they’re proceeding with something.   I’m just waiting to hear that Crystal is up first in this Universal project.  The timing of an announcement on the WC does seem like it dovetails well with the contracts and movement.  Fingers crossed!

 

Vince

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32 minutes ago, ClefsDor said:

Since you'll be going through the effort anyway can you post it here - yes, I'm lazy and no, I didn't pay for a butler 🙂 


OK here goes - just be sure to check which ship it is and the class 


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and for good measure one from Endeavor 

 

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Thanks, Stickman - interesting! If I look at the A1 on Serenity in 2021 with a fare of $593 and the H cabin on Explorer (which is their smallest cabin and they only have a handful of these and they are almost always unavailable as they are allocated to entertainers etc )at $722 , it's quite a difference. But ok Regent does include excursions and even their H cabin is  bigger than Crystal's.  

 

I also notice that my impression that the cruise fares on Crystal seem to be getting much more expensive in 2021 doesn't seem to be the case. We must have been booking less expensive cruises in the past and looking at much higher priced itineraries for 2021.

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15 minutes ago, ClefsDor said:

But ok Regent does include excursions and even their H cabin is  bigger than Crystal's.  

 

I am actually sitting across from Shirin right now, but I’ll respond in writing! Based on my documented analysis of our shore excursions over our past cruises we spend on average $100 per cruise day per person on shore excursions. So to make things comparable, the $722 would become $622 vs. $593, conversely and more appropriately, the $593 would become $693 vs. $722 - so a 4% premium on Regent.

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2 minutes ago, Fly Fast Cruise Slow said:

so a 4% premium on Regent.


I agree - the price differentials isn’t that pronounced between the two lines, depending on the fare class

 

The older I get the less I worry about the cost - after all if I wanted a cheap cruise I’d book Carnival...

 

What I really want to know is who is going to get the ONE internet connection you get per cabin on Regent? I know who my money is on - bloggers have priority don’t they?

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1 hour ago, Fly Fast Cruise Slow said:

 

I am actually sitting across from Shirin right now, but I’ll respond in writing! Based on my documented analysis of our shore excursions over our past cruises we spend on average $100 per cruise day per person on shore excursions. So to make things comparable, the $722 would become $622 vs. $593, conversely and more appropriately, the $593 would become $693 vs. $722 - so a 4% premium on Regent.

 

Is every excursion on Regent included or just "some" excursions? I would assume that the excursions you do with Crystal aren't all the 3 1/2 hour riding around on a coach looking at the outside of buildings. It would be difficult to factor in what excursions are/aren't included on Regent vs. what you do on Crystal. Just seems that the premium might be a percentage or two higher if you are still having to pay for some excursions on Regent.

 

Patty

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6 minutes ago, Texas Tillie said:

Is every excursion on Regent included or just "some" excursions? I would assume that the excursions you do with Crystal aren't all the 3 1/2 hour riding around on a coach looking at the outside of buildings.


Patty 

I think there’s a myth that they’re all basic drive by type tours that are included but I don’t believe that’s true

 

Not all excursions are included eg if you want a helicopter ride then you pay for it (I’ve seen reports that their pricing is lower than you might pay on Crystal as there is some degree of credit reflected in the price given you’re not taking a complimentary tour).

 

The included tours limited to “bus trips driving around” - I’ve checked on listed tour options and on various reviews and many of the included tours are “experiences” which include activities or say local cruises

 

As an aside from what I’ve heard the included Viking Ocean Cruises tours are very much the drive by type tours which doesn’t appeal at all - they’re also released over time to various classes of cabin - so the lower the category the less chance of getting what you want 

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16 minutes ago, Texas Tillie said:

 

Is every excursion on Regent included or just "some" excursions? I would assume that the excursions you do with Crystal aren't all the 3 1/2 hour riding around on a coach looking at the outside of buildings. It would be difficult to factor in what excursions are/aren't included on Regent vs. what you do on Crystal. Just seems that the premium might be a percentage or two higher if you are still having to pay for some excursions on Regent.

 

Patty

Patty some are included and some are not.   If they are excursions you would have booked there is value.  For those who don't do ships excursions or wouldn't want to book these there is not value.

 

Your conclusion is correct.

 

Not knocking Regent for this but in all my years of cruising I have yet been able to come up with an apples to apples comparison of cost because...................each cruise line is not the same..............and this is particularly true with luxury lines.

 

Keith

 

 

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As I’ve said before I really don’t think the driver for trying Regent is price - at this level of cruising people are not likely to be counting their pennies 

 

We know several people giving Regent a try - and no one is driven by price. It’s things like itineraries, new ships and the features that come with them together with positive feedback from many cruising with them

 

But ultimately it comes down to trying them for oneself if you’re interested in doing so - until you do that it’s all theory

 

Some will not try them and some will - some will move lines and some won’t. Some will cruise on both and some won’t. Some will not cruise on either... TWT* 

 

* (Time will Tell)

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14 minutes ago, Texas Tillie said:

Is every excursion on Regent included or just "some" excursions?

 

Tillie, the included tours are usually a bit better than just a bus tour, but like everything else, it varies. In my experience, the Regent choice tours, where you pay something extra, are always good. The web site always shows the tours; the ones within a year or so are pretty firm, and you can have a pdf mailed to you, and it will include prices. It usually has both the tour price, i.e $0 for an included tour, and a retail price.

 
Attached is a pdf from an upcoming cruise. The included tours retail prices go from $39 to $189 on this one.
 
One thing I like better about Crystal's tours is that someone from the ship is always on the tour. I don't know if I've seen that anywhere else, but that does have value.
 
Oh,I buried the lede again! I just found this scale image of the new Crystal ocean ship. It's very retro. I like it! 
 
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2019-10-20 ShoreExcursions.pdf

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5 minutes ago, drib said:

Days since someone last wrote "time will tell":


So what do those of us without cute grandkids post to get attention for our posts? 

Maybe this timer will do it?
 

I see you’ve relocated from your normal location (you wouldn’t be trying to fool us would you?) - are you on the run from: 

 

a) The Feds

b) A disgruntled Cruise Critic poster 

c) Your TA as you’re not booking enough cruises

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1 minute ago, Stickman1990 said:

So what do those of us without cute grandkids post to get attention for our posts? 

 

No, those are actual kids from about thirty ago. They won a Lego building contest at Horton Plaza in San Diego. Everyone else competing that day was adult. Their design was based on the fact that you got to take home your design - so that ship has a hollow hull filled with Lego parts. And I'm really miffed that Crystal stole their design 😧

 

2 minutes ago, Stickman1990 said:

I see you’ve relocated from your normal location (you wouldn’t be trying to fool us would you?) - are you on the run from: 

 

Moordale, Illinois: a fictional town from Best in Show, the couple with the weimaraner and the busy bee, since my favo(u)rite cruise line is Beegent.

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8 hours ago, Stickman1990 said:

What I really want to know is who is going to get the ONE internet connection you get per cabin on Regent? I know who my money is on - bloggers have priority don’t they?

I keep forgetting that on Regent there's only one internet connection per cabin and there isn't a way to even pay to get an extra one!! This could lead to some marital discord 😅

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There are two solutions.  (1) Book a Concierge cabin or higher, and (2) Reach Gold by the end of your current booking.  Once you have 75 nights on Regent, you get 4 internet connections.  On the other hand, some recent reports on Cruise Critic suggest that the internet is almost unusable anyway, regardless of how many connections you have.  Supposedly they are going to fix it in early 2020, but time will tell.

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