Pushka Posted February 7, 2020 #401 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, alirat153 said: Ok you didnt read my post, or you disagree with what I said. I can't see the point of further discussion. My first post an hour or so ago :”Yes, but people (thousands of people in every country) die from the influenza every year. The only difference with this epidemic is that there is no immunisation to prevent it. That is the only reason why this epidemic is getting the media headlines and is regarded as more significant. The flu virus mutates every year and that is why we need a new jab every year.. As far as the death rate in China versus the rest of the world - currently the stats speak for themselves. “ Yes. On your last point I agree. Edited February 7, 2020 by Pushka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alirat153 Posted February 7, 2020 #402 Share Posted February 7, 2020 @Pushka Trolling 101 - edit posts after person foolishly tries to argue. I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voljeep Posted February 7, 2020 #403 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, alirat153 said: @Pushka Trolling 101 - edit posts after person foolishly tries to argue. I'm done. good call... breath in, breath out, move on 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perditax Posted February 7, 2020 #404 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, alirat153 said: The incubation period is 2-12 days in which time the person is infectious before showing symptoms, so the spread is alarming. Last time I checked there wasn’t much confirmed data on the asymptomatic spread. One of the early documented cases turned out to be a situation where the woman was taking cold meds, and no one had talked to her about it directly to ask if she was feeling symptoms. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/paper-non-symptomatic-patient-transmitting-coronavirus-wrong I’m willing to look at case studies that are newer than Jan 30 if you have them. Edited February 7, 2020 by perditax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted February 7, 2020 #405 Share Posted February 7, 2020 11 hours ago, generichandle said: I do not think so. I think they are giving 100% back to passenger, PLUS 50% extra as a future cruise credit. Good comp, especially if they can include air expenses. The refund of the fare is a direct payment not an FCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted February 7, 2020 #406 Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, alirat153 said: @Pushka Trolling 101 - edit posts after person foolishly tries to argue. I'm done. Ha. The only thing I added was that getting an effective vaccine was a priority right now. And I’m editing this post, to say I also added bolding to another statement. A troll is not someone who simply doesn’t agree with you, otherwise you would have that label because you were the first to disagree with my original post. And I have no problems at all with people offering different opinions. That’s what makes us learn. Edited February 7, 2020 by Pushka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted February 7, 2020 #407 Share Posted February 7, 2020 And this is concerning https://www.npr.org/2020/02/07/803843303/on-cruise-ship-quarantined-in-japan-any-new-cases-would-reset-the-isolation-cloc I don’t know the reliability of the source. I hope it’s wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted February 8, 2020 #408 Share Posted February 8, 2020 48 minutes ago, Pushka said: And this is concerning https://www.npr.org/2020/02/07/803843303/on-cruise-ship-quarantined-in-japan-any-new-cases-would-reset-the-isolation-cloc I don’t know the reliability of the source. I hope it’s wrong. Actually the Japanese Ministry of Health did not say new cases would reset the clock, they said unforeseen circumstances. Since all passengers are confined in quarantine any new cases shouldn't affect any other passengers so shouldn't affect the current quarantine period. An unforeseen circumstance might be passengers breaking quarantine and rebelling, or something equally unexpected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted February 8, 2020 #409 Share Posted February 8, 2020 David just did another live video- apparently more passengers have reported a high temperature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivotMaker Posted February 8, 2020 #410 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Just now, BermudaBound2014 said: David just did another live video- apparently more passengers have reported a high temperature. Just finished watching that too. So incredibly sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BermudaBound2014 Posted February 8, 2020 #411 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Just now, DivotMaker said: Just finished watching that too. So incredibly sad. according to WHO the clock resets now. I suspect press will start running the story. Bloody awful what they did to David’s family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivotMaker Posted February 8, 2020 #412 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, BermudaBound2014 said: Bloody awful what they did to David’s family. Disgusting. Shame on them. Edited February 8, 2020 by DivotMaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted February 8, 2020 #413 Share Posted February 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said: Actually the Japanese Ministry of Health did not say new cases would reset the clock, they said unforeseen circumstances. Since all passengers are confined in quarantine any new cases shouldn't affect any other passengers so shouldn't affect the current quarantine period. An unforeseen circumstance might be passengers breaking quarantine and rebelling, or something equally unexpected. Hopefully all goes to plan then. 4 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said: David just did another live video- apparently more passengers have reported a high temperature. please no! High temps can mean several things though but which just adds to the confusion of it all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outerdog Posted February 8, 2020 #414 Share Posted February 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said: Actually the Japanese Ministry of Health did not say new cases would reset the clock, Looks like that's what WHO is suggesting. https://boards.cruisecritic.com/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=2730230&content_commentid=59344913 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npcl Posted February 8, 2020 #415 Share Posted February 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Outerdog said: Looks like that's what WHO is suggesting. https://boards.cruisecritic.com/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=2730230&content_commentid=59344913 However those comments were made in a phone interview and unfortunately we do not have the context within which those statements were made. On the other hand the Japanese Minister of Health has direct control and he stated it would end on the 19th with no expectation to extend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npcl Posted February 8, 2020 #416 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, perditax said: Last time I checked there wasn’t much confirmed data on the asymptomatic spread. One of the early documented cases turned out to be a situation where the woman was taking cold meds, and no one had talked to her about it directly to ask if she was feeling symptoms. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/paper-non-symptomatic-patient-transmitting-coronavirus-wrong I’m willing to look at case studies that are newer than Jan 30 if you have them. The initial paper which was based upon an incident in Germany may not be correct in that the person there did have some minor symptoms, just ones not associated with the illness such as a backache. There have been other examples of apparent transfer without symptoms including one in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted February 8, 2020 #417 Share Posted February 8, 2020 30 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said: Bloody awful what they did to David’s family. What did they do to David's family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesea321 Posted February 8, 2020 #418 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, npcl said: However those comments were made in a phone interview and unfortunately we do not have the context within which those statements were made. On the other hand the Japanese Minister of Health has direct control and he stated it would end on the 19th with no expectation to extend. We do have the exact context of the WHO's comment. You obviously did not review what I posted and have made a lot of assumptions since. The NPR article I quoted included a link to the WHO's 36 minute news conference and thus the exact words that the WHO used. See my post #687 on the "Princess Ship & Corona Virus" thread. It is all there and yes, I quote again: "at the moment every time there is a new case the quarantine extends 14 days." Here is the conference again. Go to the 22:30 minute mark. Edited February 8, 2020 by bluesea321 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted February 8, 2020 #419 Share Posted February 8, 2020 34 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said: David just did another live video- apparently more passengers have reported a high temperature. There could easily be more than the 61 confirmed cases already. Japanese authorities only tested the 273 people they believed were at most risk, but that doesn't mean that other passengers did not contract the virus from the original carrier. It is still within the 14 day incubation period so I feel there is likely to be more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiserchuck Posted February 8, 2020 #420 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said: There could easily be more than the 61 confirmed cases already. Japanese authorities only tested the 273 people they believed were at most risk, but that doesn't mean that other passengers did not contract the virus from the original carrier. It is still within the 14 day incubation period so I feel there is likely to be more. I agree. There is no way to determine with certainty who came in contact with the original carrier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Germancruiser Posted February 8, 2020 #421 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) The press invaded Davis family where they live - even send reporters to Davids pharmacy- for whatever reason- that really is beyond me. Poor David- he starts to feel the downside of beeing so popular! Flirting with the press is always a dangerous game, which can backfire. Anyhow we can be gratefull for his updates from the ship. I think it is terrific how he copes with the situation. As he himself mentioned, he and is dear wife are one of the fortunate ones- they are in mini suite with a nice large balcony- even though it is cold- so much better than those poor souls in the inside staterooms. I have absolutley no idea how i could handle an inside cabin. I never booked one- but just the thought sends shivers down my spine! Edited February 8, 2020 by Germancruiser 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perditax Posted February 8, 2020 #422 Share Posted February 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Pushka said: And this is concerning https://www.npr.org/2020/02/07/803843303/on-cruise-ship-quarantined-in-japan-any-new-cases-would-reset-the-isolation-cloc I don’t know the reliability of the source. I hope it’s wrong. “The WHO is now working with Japanese officials to devise a way to organize the passengers into cohorts, Ryan said. The idea is in smaller groups, fewer people would be affected when a new patient is identified.” In other words they are looking at ways to minimize the whole “clock reset” effect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted February 8, 2020 #423 Share Posted February 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, perditax said: “The WHO is now working with Japanese officials to devise a way to organize the passengers into cohorts, Ryan said. The idea is in smaller groups, fewer people would be affected when a new patient is identified.” In other words they are looking at ways to minimize the whole “clock reset” effect. Perhaps one good thing to come out of this is the learnings of how to manage this for future cruises. Is anyone else being bombarded with emails from cruise lines about special deals (that in the fine details just aren’t?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted February 8, 2020 #424 Share Posted February 8, 2020 37 minutes ago, bluesea321 said: We do have the exact context of the WHO's comment. You obviously did not review what I posted and have made a lot of assumptions since. The NPR article I quoted included a link to the WHO's 36 minute news conference and thus the exact words that the WHO used. See my post #687 on the "Princess Ship & Corona Virus" thread. It is all there and yes, I quote again: "at the moment every time there is a new case the quarantine extends 14 days." Here is the conference again. Go to the 22:30 minute mark. To me, it looks like WHO and the Japanese Health authorities are not singing from the same hymn sheet. WHO is saying the 14 day quarantine re-sets when new cases are uncovered (they, why are they isolated in quarantine!!) while the Japanese authorities are saying the quarantine ends on 19th February unless there are unforeseen events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnyv20032003 Posted February 8, 2020 #425 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Not being the bearer of "bad" news... But according to Twitter, hearing of 3 additional cases for a total of 64 cases on the Diamond Princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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