Rare jimbo5544 Posted February 11, 2020 #1 Share Posted February 11, 2020 There was another thread on this earlier and looked for it but could not find it. At any rate, John posted on his page that the issue with ships rusting was with a vendor and paint product. Just wanted everyone to know the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick93 Posted February 12, 2020 #2 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Would be great if they fix this - their ships have looked a bit shabby recently. First impressions are important. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VentureMan_2000 Posted February 12, 2020 #3 Share Posted February 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, Stick93 said: Would be great if they fix this - their ships have looked a bit shabby recently. First impressions are important. Really... ? Do you board with white gloves ? Why do you bother with Carnival if white hulls are important to you ? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan in Maine Posted February 12, 2020 #4 Share Posted February 12, 2020 45 minutes ago, VentureMan_2000 said: Really... ? Do you board with white gloves ? Why do you bother with Carnival if white hulls are important to you ? Seriously? I had a cabin on the Liberty in September and the balcony had serious rust. It really makes one wonder about how well the ship is being maintained. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Illbcruzn4life Posted February 12, 2020 #5 Share Posted February 12, 2020 10 hours ago, jimbo5544 said: There was another thread on this earlier and looked for it but could not find it. At any rate, John posted on his page that the issue with ships rusting was with a vendor and paint product. Just wanted everyone to know the reason. Thanks for the info Jim. We were docked across from the Glory and I believe the Horizon in Cozumel last week and noticed the rust. Was surprised about the Horizon especially. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSHLOT Posted February 12, 2020 #6 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Hey, If worse comes to worse, just blame the paint supplier. 😀 So, how long did it take them to figure out that the paint was the problem? Why does CCL always feel the need to have excuses for everything? I'm not bashing Jimbo, just a concerned customer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted February 12, 2020 #7 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Unfortunately, I take this the way I take most pronouncements from Heald on technical matters, with a large grain of salt. There are very few manufacturers of marine paints, and Carnival doesn't have a proprietary "blend", so any problems they are having would be shared by many other shipping lines (even other Carnival lines), and I don't know of any published, across the board problems. My feeling is that the crew are not properly trained in surface preparation and paint application. Fixing even a small area of rust on a balcony for instance probably should take 2-3 days to complete. There is the removal of the old paint and the rust, at least down to a mildly rusty, but solid base metal. Then the application of one to two coats of anti-corrosive (primer) paint, at the right temperature and humidity level, with the right paint film thickness, and paying attention to the square edges where paint coatings first fail. Then there should be one to two coats of topcoat, again in the right environmental conditions and thicknesses. I'm not sure that Carnival wants to inconvenience the passengers long enough to do a proper job, so the new paint fails as fast or faster than the original, and the rust is back. Any moisture or salt on the surface between coats needs to be removed before recoating. I could see where a delivery to one or two ships might have a production problem in the paint, or it was not stored properly, but for a fleetwide problem, I don't think its the paint, its the painter. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesmiths Posted February 12, 2020 #8 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, chengkp75 said: I don't think its the paint, its the painter. I agree. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyFan33579 Posted February 12, 2020 #9 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, chengkp75 said: Unfortunately, I take this the way I take most pronouncements from Heald on technical matters, with a large grain of salt. There are very few manufacturers of marine paints, and Carnival doesn't have a proprietary "blend", so any problems they are having would be shared by many other shipping lines (even other Carnival lines), and I don't know of any published, across the board problems. My feeling is that the crew are not properly trained in surface preparation and paint application. Fixing even a small area of rust on a balcony for instance probably should take 2-3 days to complete. There is the removal of the old paint and the rust, at least down to a mildly rusty, but solid base metal. Then the application of one to two coats of anti-corrosive (primer) paint, at the right temperature and humidity level, with the right paint film thickness, and paying attention to the square edges where paint coatings first fail. Then there should be one to two coats of topcoat, again in the right environmental conditions and thicknesses. I'm not sure that Carnival wants to inconvenience the passengers long enough to do a proper job, so the new paint fails as fast or faster than the original, and the rust is back. Any moisture or salt on the surface between coats needs to be removed before recoating. I could see where a delivery to one or two ships might have a production problem in the paint, or it was not stored properly, but for a fleetwide problem, I don't think its the paint, its the painter. Enjoy reading your posts as always. I don’t pay attention to the details, but I have seen many times when a ship was in a port where painters appeared to be painting directly over rust on the hull. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted February 12, 2020 Author #10 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, FSHLOT said: Hey, If worse comes to worse, just blame the paint supplier. 😀 So, how long did it take them to figure out that the paint was the problem? Why does CCL always feel the need to have excuses for everything? I'm not bashing Jimbo, just a concerned customer. Because they were asked. It made no sense that a company who has maintained their ships suddenly stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted February 12, 2020 Author #11 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, chengkp75 said: Unfortunately, I take this the way I take most pronouncements from Heald on technical matters, with a large grain of salt. There are very few manufacturers of marine paints, and Carnival doesn't have a proprietary "blend", so any problems they are having would be shared by many other shipping lines (even other Carnival lines), and I don't know of any published, across the board problems. My feeling is that the crew are not properly trained in surface preparation and paint application. Fixing even a small area of rust on a balcony for instance probably should take 2-3 days to complete. There is the removal of the old paint and the rust, at least down to a mildly rusty, but solid base metal. Then the application of one to two coats of anti-corrosive (primer) paint, at the right temperature and humidity level, with the right paint film thickness, and paying attention to the square edges where paint coatings first fail. Then there should be one to two coats of topcoat, again in the right environmental conditions and thicknesses. I'm not sure that Carnival wants to inconvenience the passengers long enough to do a proper job, so the new paint fails as fast or faster than the original, and the rust is back. Any moisture or salt on the surface between coats needs to be removed before recoating. I could see where a delivery to one or two ships might have a production problem in the paint, or it was not stored properly, but for a fleetwide problem, I don't think its the paint, its the painter. Just telling you what he said. As a frequent cruiser it is noticeable to me lately, not forever. He also mentioned that other cruise lines had similar issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick93 Posted February 12, 2020 #12 Share Posted February 12, 2020 6 hours ago, VentureMan_2000 said: Really... ? Do you board with white gloves ? Why do you bother with Carnival if white hulls are important to you ? Don’t be sensitive. its not a big deal. Obviously it’s an issue as they made an announcement. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSHLOT Posted February 12, 2020 #13 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: Because they were asked. It made no sense that a company who has maintained their ships suddenly stop. I get that. It just seems a little cheesy to blame the paint. You would think a buisness thats been around for 50yrs, would have a pretty good idea of what paint is best. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted February 12, 2020 Author #14 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, FSHLOT said: I get that. It just seems a little cheesy to blame the paint. You would think a buisness thats been around for 50yrs, would have a pretty good idea of what paint is best. Well I can think of several scenarios, but have zero facts to support. Why would they not want to take care of their ships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSHLOT Posted February 12, 2020 #15 Share Posted February 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: Well I can think of several scenarios, but have zero facts to support. Why would they not want to take care of their ships? Who said they dont want to take care of their ships? I always thought they do a great job maintaining their ships. But recently it seems like they are slacking a little. Maybe the cut-back of staff,or proper training has something to do with it. But blaming paint? Come on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted February 12, 2020 Author #16 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, FSHLOT said: Who said they dont want to take care of their ships? I always thought they do a great job maintaining their ships. But recently it seems like they are slacking a little. Maybe the cut-back of staff,or proper training has something to do with it. But blaming paint? Come on. We will see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNBR Posted February 12, 2020 #17 Share Posted February 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, FSHLOT said: Who said they dont want to take care of their ships? I always thought they do a great job maintaining their ships. But recently it seems like they are slacking a little. Maybe the cut-back of staff,or proper training has something to do with it. But blaming paint? Come on. A cut back in staff and lack of training is literally "not taking care of their ships" My last Carnival cruise was on Magic, and the disrepair all over the out side of the ship was glaring. Lots of issues with the water park, things not working, rust, peeling paint, damaged floors, and general disrepair absolutely everywhere. It's undeniable how poorly the ship is maintained. The inside was great, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted February 12, 2020 Author #18 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Lol, when I posted the thread, at the end I had written, let the bashing begin and removed it. Maybe should have left it. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObstructedView2 Posted February 12, 2020 #19 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, chengkp75 said: Any moisture or salt on the surface between coats needs to be removed before recoating. I could see where a delivery to one or two ships might have a production problem in the paint, or it was not stored properly, but for a fleetwide problem, I don't think its the paint, its the painter. ⬆️ This!! ⬆️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted February 12, 2020 Author #20 Share Posted February 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, BNBR said: A cut back in staff and lack of training is literally "not taking care of their ships" My last Carnival cruise was on Magic, and the disrepair all over the out side of the ship was glaring. Lots of issues with the water park, things not working, rust, peeling paint, damaged floors, and general disrepair absolutely everywhere. It's undeniable how poorly the ship is maintained. The inside was great, though. Not shocked at your reply, but a good reference point. I will be on the Magic in three weeks and will take specific time and effort to confirm you View Igor not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebucks Posted February 12, 2020 #21 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Ever spend some time around the people who make the biggest deal around this? Their complaining rarely starts or stops there. Either way, this is something Carnival looks to have gotten lax around. They should get it resolved because there are too many people out there concerned about optics and perceptions way more than actual substance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNBR Posted February 12, 2020 #22 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said: Not shocked at your reply, but a good reference point. I will be on the Magic in three weeks and will take specific time and effort to confirm you View Igor not). Well, here are just a few examples. I was considering a tetanus shot before stepping back out on to our balcony. By the way, I did clearly say the interior of the ship looked great. It's just the exterior. Edited February 12, 2020 by BNBR 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNBR Posted February 12, 2020 #23 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Joebucks said: Ever spend some time around the people who make the biggest deal around this? Their complaining rarely starts or stops there. Either way, this is something Carnival looks to have gotten lax around. They should get it resolved because there are too many people out there concerned about optics and perceptions way more than actual substance. The same reason people paint and maintain their homes. It's not out of line to expect things to look nice and well maintained. Optics does matter and most people understand that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted February 12, 2020 Author #24 Share Posted February 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Joebucks said: Ever spend some time around the people who make the biggest deal around this? Their complaining rarely starts or stops there. Either way, this is something Carnival looks to have gotten lax around. They should get it resolved because there are too many people out there concerned about optics and perceptions way more than actual substance. For them to bring it up attests to the issue. We will see how they address it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stick93 Posted February 12, 2020 #25 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I think we mostly agree Carnivals product is good and we pay good money for it. It’s understandable when you Pay good money For a product you want to see it maintained. Yes we are going on a ship that will have plenty to do, but it shouldn’t look run down. Carnival should have a standard that takes this into account and they should know what the ship looks like. If I went to a 5 start resort and saw broken stairs leading up to it or overgrown bushes blocking the doors - I would wonder what was inside. I think this is a long time coming and it should have been felt with earlier but I am happy they are addressing it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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