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5 minutes ago, CarelessAndConfused said:

 

You have 72 hrs to cancel so you can wait until early next week.  I'm not sure if you have other logistics to deal with.  I'm also on the 3/14 Royal and will be going if not canceled.

 

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4 minutes ago, CarelessAndConfused said:

 

In the U.S., it takes months for all of the cruise ships to carry the number of passengers that air travel carries in ONE DAY.  And airplanes and airports are quite confined spaces.  Should we ground all air travel?  I honestly don't have an opinion on that or cruising one way or the other.

All leisure air travel - probably.

All international travel - probably.

 

What is a question is how much exposure do you need to be positive - on a plane, you can confine to seats and get folks only touching one thing (especially if you also require no luggage and no eating/drinking now)...and you can check health status on both ends easily...if the current rumor is that you do need a certain amount of exposure if you are healthy (assuming the older and not as healthy pick it up easier), you may be able to have limited air travel for a limited market - ie - emergency and work travel needed to keep life going...

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2 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

All leisure air travel - probably.

All international travel - probably.

 

What is a question is how much exposure do you need to be positive - on a plane, you can confine to seats and get folks only touching one thing (especially if you also require no luggage and no eating/drinking now)...and you can check health status on both ends easily...if the current rumor is that you do need a certain amount of exposure if you are healthy (assuming the older and not as healthy pick it up easier), you may be able to have limited air travel for a limited market - ie - emergency and work travel needed to keep life going...

 

A lot of that is still a source of contention apparently.  But as for "leisure travel", that would be difficult to monitor.  And quite frankly, 98%+ of "business travel" is unnecessary, especially at a time like this and with all of the teleconferencing options available.   

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34 minutes ago, MoniMommy said:

Seems like a stockpile of equipment for medical professionals should always be there in case of epedemic.

some of the hospitals serving poorer communities can barely survive. Asking them to stockpile anything is a hard ask

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6 minutes ago, Farts said:

some of the hospitals serving poorer communities can barely survive. Asking them to stockpile anything is a hard ask

 

No one is suggesting stockpiling at every clinic and hospital, at least beyond normal inventory levels.  We're talking about a huge stockpile in a warehouse somewhere that can be disbursed when needed, like NOW.

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6 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

Right, and most of those businesses have already ended travel...they don't want to eat the cost or the lost labor for illness right now...

 

The businesses that need to fly would know what they need to fly.  Like if we want mail to keep going...or not.  Or hospital supplies or people quickly moved to outbreaks.  

 

If you've been through the airports on the west coast the past couple of weeks, I'm not sure you would conclude that buinesses "have already ended travel".

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3 minutes ago, CarelessAndConfused said:

 

No one is suggesting stockpiling at every clinic and hospital, at least beyond normal inventory levels.  We're talking about a huge stockpile in a warehouse somewhere that can be disbursed when needed, like NOW.

California does have them. but they are all experienced masks. lol.

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51 minutes ago, kathy49 said:

i sure have ...if they are so worthless why are medical personnel wearing them?  They are the most useful for the affected patients...they are important and the supply should have been considered months ago.

EVERY medical professional says that wearing a mask to prevent contracting the virus is virtually ineffective. Only those who have been diagnosed, or suspect they may have the virus, should wear one (to avoid spreading droplets) and medical professionals who are in constant contact with actual and suspected cases. 

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19 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:

All leisure air travel - probably.

All international travel - probably.

 

 

 

The airline officials have already gone to the government and asked them not to discourage air travel because it would hurt their business.  We have a long history of putting the interests of large businesses first.

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Just now, CruisinCrow said:

 

The airline officials have already gone to the government and asked them not to discourage air travel because it would hurt their business.  We have a long history of putting the interests of large businesses first.

I am not surprised !

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just got off Royal, no issues getting off, but quite a few people coughing  hopefully all regular colds.

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1 minute ago, npcl said:

just got off Royal, no issues getting off, but quite a few people coughing  hopefully all regular colds.

 

And that would almost be a certain "3 strikes and you're out" if they find out it's not just colds/flu...no way cruising would continue right now if we have yet another ship both getting off and then getting on board...it would be cascade at this point, and you'd have to stop the cascade...

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5 minutes ago, maizer said:

In any case, anyone know which port the Grand is going to end up in?

 

After the medical evacuation early this morning, the ship appears to have gone back to circling off the coast near San Francisco.

 

I haven't been keeping up with the news, so I don't know if plans have been announced elsewhere.

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Just now, TwoMisfits said:

 

And that would almost be a certain "3 strikes and you're out" if they find out it's not just colds/flu...no way cruising would continue right now if we have yet another ship both getting off and then getting on board...it would be cascade at this point, and you'd have to stop the cascade...

the most interesting thing is zero reaction by crew and passengers to people coughing. almost like if no one notices it is not real. kind of ignore and hope no one tests positive after wards.

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26 minutes ago, Farts said:

some of the hospitals serving poorer communities can barely survive. Asking them to stockpile anything is a hard ask

I would think that's where the federal government comes into play. Stockpile to distribute to local medical facilities when needed.

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7 minutes ago, npcl said:

the most interesting thing is zero reaction by crew and passengers to people coughing. almost like if no one notices it is not real. kind of ignore and hope no one tests positive after wards.

 

Well what are you going to do? Suspect everyone that coughs and stare them down untill they isolate? That's paranoia. People cough all the time, even when they're not ill.

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This says the Maryland people who tested positive on Thursday had been on an Egyptian Nile River Cruise, so were not on Grand Princess.  Also gave an update on Grand Princess this morning.  Not sure what details have been given earlier on this thread - if it is old news I appologise:-

  

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/03/07/coronavirus-grand-princess-cruise-ship-california/4978565002/

 

Anyone heard anything about the VP's meeting with cruise lines in Miami today - though I realise it is still early over there?

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35 minutes ago, CarelessAndConfused said:

 

In the U.S., it takes months for all of the cruise ships to carry the number of passengers that air travel carries in ONE DAY.  And airplanes and airports are quite confined spaces.  Should we ground all air travel?  I honestly don't have an opinion on that or cruising one way or the other.


There is a drastic difference between air travel and cruise travel when it comes to the spread of a virus. On an airplane you are there for a matter of hours (likely on average 3-5 hours), spend most of your time in your seat and have little to no interaction with the majority of people on the plane. On a cruise ship you are on board usually at a minimum of 7 days with the same few thousand people some of whom you may encounter again and again, you are all visiting spaces all over the ship where germs could be spread and then in some cases revisiting some of those spaces again and again like dining rooms, casinos, etc. Because of the extended time onboard a ship it allows for the incubation and emergence of viruses that the limited time on a plane would not allow. On a ship you are also visiting different ports which increase the likelihood of even more germs coming into the ship throughout the duration of the cruise. That’s why it’s a relatively unique situation. The only other situations with large groups of people like this who co-habitate closely and interact frequently for extended periods of time that I can think of would be student dorms. And dorms are an area notorious for the spread of viruses like noro or meningitis like cruise ships are already notorious for the spread of noro. While we all know that colds and viruses can be picked up from flights (I’m sure we’ve all come down with a cold at least once after a flight), I’m not sure I’ve heard of massive outbreaks of viruses related to flights like I have with dorms or cruise ships.

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NY Gov declares state of emergency amid 21 new coronavirus cases. 76 total confirmed cases state-wide.

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5 minutes ago, Pegasus2 said:

 

Well what are you going to do? Suspect everyone that coughs and stare them down untill they isolate? That's paranoia. People cough all the time, even when they're not ill.

what I would expect is to screen those coughing at no charge, check temps and at least have some idea if it is a known virus.

 

I would not expect zero reaction when no one is coughing at start and 10 to 15 percent by the end.

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5 minutes ago, Pegasus2 said:

 

Well what are you going to do? Suspect everyone that coughs and stare them down untill they isolate? That's paranoia. People cough all the time, even when they're not ill.

 In this emergency situation we are in if someone is seen coughing repeatedly they should be pulled aside by crew and examined by medical staff. (have temperature taken, check glands, etc.) They should then be revisited twice a day for the next few days to see if there is any change. If sickness is identified then they should be confined to their cabin.

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3 minutes ago, WonderMan3 said:

 I’m not sure I’ve heard of massive outbreaks of viruses related to flights like I have with dorms or cruise ships.

 

The point is you're chasing the past, just like the government.  The virus is all across the country at this point and airplanes will very much be a massive point of contagion, if they already haven't been so. 

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6 minutes ago, npcl said:

what I would expect is to screen those coughing at no charge, check temps and at least have some idea if it is a known virus.

I understand where you are coming from really do! They screen someone no fever they come down with it the next day 😞 I Have COPD and try to get to a bathroom to use my rescue inhalor when in public. I don't have the answer I know if I was sick I would stay in my cabin. I promise when my COPD is acting up you cannot catch it. I will remove myself from the area also as not to annoy or worry people. 

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The meeting between cruise executives and VP Pence is set for 2:45 pm ET.   I suspect it's more show than substantial meeting, as it's also supposed to include Florida's senators and other politicians.  There is also reporting that Pence will announce a plan for the Grand Princess at that time.  

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