jeanlyon Posted March 16, 2020 #2126 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Yes I finally got an email from them just now. Cancelling all cruises until April 11th. Just the start methinks. Very glad my refund was processed by the lady yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eddie99 Posted March 16, 2020 #2127 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Did it say which year? I have mentally written off all cruising (potentially all holidays) till 2022. Maybe I’ll get a lovely surprise but I’m not hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Anarchy Posted March 16, 2020 #2128 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Bit surprised that they're only cancelling up to 11 April. I suspect it will be a creeping death (no pun intended) of more cancellations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted March 16, 2020 #2129 Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, funinhounslow said: But then why did they offer generous OBC for people to continue their cruise? Not disagreeing with you, it’s just the OBC offer seems a bit odd if they want people to cancel their cruises... OBC involves no cash. The very last thing they need is yet further cashflow problems. They've been dishing out credits right left and centre to avoid refunds, but of course if Carnival goes under those credits are worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsgoggins Posted March 16, 2020 #2130 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, staygulf said: incidentally, a refund must be made within 14 days. Really, now that is interesting! And I am quite clued up on Consumer issues - knew about challenging cancellation charges and used it with Princess on one occasion, and once set in motion a Small Claims against easyJet, at which point they caved in but I had to agree to an NDA 😄. Off to research cancellation refunds now. I should add that I do have some sympathy with the volume of work that P&O have on their hands at the moment, it's just that I am in danger of paying out a very large credit card bill (unrelated) and then having a large P&O refund to the same cc a few months later. I would rather one almost cancelled out the other. Edited March 16, 2020 by mrsgoggins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amajaa Posted March 16, 2020 #2131 Share Posted March 16, 2020 It says from all U S ports. They need to either correct if that statement is wrong or let us know about UK ports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staygulf Posted March 16, 2020 #2132 Share Posted March 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, mrsgoggins said: Really, now that is interesting! And I am quite clued up on Consumer issues - knew about challenging cancellation charges and used it with Princess on one occasion, and once set in motion a Small Claims against easyJet, at which point they caved in but I had to agree to an NDA 😄. Off to research cancellation refunds now. I should add that I do have some sympathy with the volume of work that P&O have on their hands at the moment, it's just that I am in danger of paying out a very large credit card bill (unrelated) and then having a large P&O refund to the same cc a few months later. I would rather one almost cancelled out the other. Regulations 13(3) and 14(3) of the Package Travel Regulations 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted March 16, 2020 #2133 Share Posted March 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, mrsgoggins said: Really, now that is interesting! And I am quite clued up on Consumer issues - knew about challenging cancellation charges and used it with Princess on one occasion, and once set in motion a Small Claims against easyJet, at which point they caved in but I had to agree to an NDA 😄. Off to research cancellation refunds now. I should add that I do have some sympathy with the volume of work that P&O have on their hands at the moment, it's just that I am in danger of paying out a very large credit card bill (unrelated) and then having a large P&O refund to the same cc a few months later. I would rather one almost cancelled out the other. If anyone has any problems getting refunds within 14 days, just refer the company to Regulation 14 (3) of The Package Travel and Linked Travel Arrangements Regulations 2018. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emam Posted March 16, 2020 #2134 Share Posted March 16, 2020 We wanted to let you know about an important development. As a result of the continued impact of COVID-19, and following the recommendation by the Cruise Lines International Association for cruise lines to voluntarily and temporarily suspend operations from U.S. ports for 30 days, P&O Cruises is suspending any new cruises until April 11, 2020. Here’s P&O Cruises President Paul Ludlow with an update on this evolving situation: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staygulf Posted March 16, 2020 #2135 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Does that mean my Ventura cruise on 20 April is still scheduled to go ahead with the current situation in Spain and the Canaries? I doubt it. Why do they just not cancel it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staygulf Posted March 16, 2020 #2136 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, amajaa said: if you click into the link you can apply to get full refund I’m talking about the video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted March 16, 2020 #2137 Share Posted March 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, staygulf said: Does that mean my Ventura cruise on 20 April is still scheduled to go ahead with the current situation in Spain and the Canaries? I doubt it. Why do they just not cancel it? I think you know the answer to that one! 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staygulf Posted March 16, 2020 #2138 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Harry Peterson said: I think you know the answer to that one! 🤣 I think you’re right 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les_ldh Posted March 16, 2020 #2139 Share Posted March 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, amajaa said: if you click into the link you can apply to get full refund I must be being a bit slow this morning. Where is the link to apply for a full refund? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staygulf Posted March 16, 2020 #2140 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Les_ldh said: I must be being a bit slow this morning. Where is the link to apply for a full refund? Please complete this form by 30 November 2020 if you do not wish to take advantage of our enhanced 125% Future Cruise Credit offer. By completing the form below, you are forfeiting this offer and will instead receive 100% monetary compensation to the value of your cancelled holiday. Please note we are only able to process such requests via this online form due to the current demand on our customer contact centre. it’s in their announcement interestingly, there is nothing in the legislation which requires you to apply to receive a refund. It is their obligation and they are not liable to offer compensation. The fact that they are offering compensation if you take FCC is irrelevant. If you stay silent and do not accept their offer of FCC they must refund you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eddie99 Posted March 16, 2020 #2141 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I’m sorry Staygulf. I know you can see the link you are talking about and you must think I am particularly stupid in not seeing it - but I can’t locate it What announcement? There wasn’t a link in the email I got. There’s nothing (I can see) in the twitter announcement. I’ve located Contact Us but that doesn’t have a specific Request Refund drop-down. It would be simpler for everyone if I can find a specific Request Refund link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staygulf Posted March 16, 2020 #2142 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Eddie99 said: I’m sorry Staygulf. I know you can see the link you are talking about and you must think I am particularly stupid in not seeing it - but I can’t locate it What announcement? There wasn’t a link in the email I got. There’s nothing (I can see) in the twitter announcement. I’ve located Contact Us but that doesn’t have a specific Request Refund drop-down. It would be simpler for everyone if I can find a specific Request Refund link 1 minute ago, Eddie99 said: I’m sorry Staygulf. I know you can see the link you are talking about and you must think I am particularly stupid in not seeing it - but I can’t locate it What announcement? There wasn’t a link in the email I got. There’s nothing (I can see) in the twitter announcement. I’ve located Contact Us but that doesn’t have a specific Request Refund drop-down. It would be simpler for everyone if I can find a specific Request Refund link https://www.pocruises.com/travel-health-advisories?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CORONAVIRUSAPRILONWARD&utm_term=PO-5619775&utm_content=&utm_campaign=PO+Cruises+here click on the link in the announcement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Eddie99 Posted March 16, 2020 #2143 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Got it! Thanks very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javert1969 Posted March 16, 2020 #2144 Share Posted March 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, staygulf said: Please complete this form by 30 November 2020 if you do not wish to take advantage of our enhanced 125% Future Cruise Credit offer. By completing the form below, you are forfeiting this offer and will instead receive 100% monetary compensation to the value of your cancelled holiday. Please note we are only able to process such requests via this online form due to the current demand on our customer contact centre. it’s in their announcement interestingly, there is nothing in the legislation which requires you to apply to receive a refund. It is their obligation and they are not liable to offer compensation. The fact that they are offering compensation if you take FCC is irrelevant. If you stay silent and do not accept their offer of FCC they must refund you. Well if that's true, I guess that also means there is no deadline by which you have to apply for a refund - at any point in future you can call them and ask why you haven't received your refund yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berlingo Posted March 16, 2020 #2145 Share Posted March 16, 2020 My TA contact working in a large on line cruise agency ( please see my earlier post) reported that the ‘30 day pause’ in sailings is pretty standard across the cruise lines just now. Apparently Princess are the only ones to go for a 60 day stop immediately. Julia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staygulf Posted March 16, 2020 #2146 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Javert1969 said: Well if that's true, I guess that also means there is no deadline by which you have to apply for a refund - at any point in future you can call them and ask why you haven't received your refund yet. Yes and see my earlier post about refunds must be made within 14 days. You don’t have to apply for a refund. They have got it wrong. It should be that you have to apply to accept their offer (say within a time limit of maybe a week) failing which a refund should be automatic Edited March 16, 2020 by staygulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javert1969 Posted March 16, 2020 #2147 Share Posted March 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, staygulf said: Yes and see my earlier post about refunds must be made within 14 days. You don’t have to apply for a refund. They have got it wrong. It should be that you have to apply to accept their offer (say within a time limit of maybe a week) failing which a refund should be automatic Legally you are probably right, but, they appear to be doing the opposite and I'm not sure that anyone is going to take them to court to stop them at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Selbourne Posted March 16, 2020 #2148 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Maybe I am a cynic, but I am convinced that P&O knows full well that it won’t be cruising anywhere for a number of months (certainly beyond 11th April). I can’t see them repositioning all ships back to Southampton if it was just for a few weeks, especially as many passengers who were overseas have been flown home. They can’t even count, as 11th April is 26 days not 30! The reason for only stating 30 (26) days is because they are relying on passengers booked on cruises beyond 11th April to panic into taking a proportion of their money as Future Cruise Credit, with the ticking clock of the proportion of FCC versus cash increasing as the weeks count down. This approach has worked so far, as evidenced by many posting on here who have done just that. Perhaps I am foolish (time will tell) but I am continuing to sit tight. Our next cruise is in May and I am increasingly of the view that it will be cancelled and we will get a 100% cash refund. FCC is of no interest to us at all, even 125%. As others have said, in these exceptionally volatile times where anything could happen, cash is King! Alternatively, the itinerary will change beyond all recognition. We booked a Norwegian Fjords Cruise, so if we end up with a proposed itinerary that bears no resemblance to that, it would constitute a breach of contract in my book and we would also be entitled to a 100% refund. Having paid by credit card, we also have an added level of protection, should we need it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted March 16, 2020 #2149 Share Posted March 16, 2020 15 minutes ago, Javert1969 said: Legally you are probably right, but, they appear to be doing the opposite and I'm not sure that anyone is going to take them to court to stop them at this point. From personal experience, and the experience of others here, I can assure you there's no need to take them to court. They will settle fairly quickly, well before that stage is reached, but you do need to be fully aware of the relevant legislation, and you do need the ability to push the claim coherently and with perseverance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staygulf Posted March 16, 2020 #2150 Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Selbourne said: Maybe I am a cynic, but I am convinced that P&O knows full well that it won’t be cruising anywhere for a number of months (certainly beyond 11th April). I can’t see them repositioning all ships back to Southampton if it was just for a few weeks, especially as many passengers who were overseas have been flown home. They can’t even count, as 11th April is 26 days not 30! The reason for only stating 30 (26) days is because they are relying on passengers booked on cruises beyond 11th April to panic into taking a proportion of their money as Future Cruise Credit, with the ticking clock of the proportion of FCC versus cash increasing as the weeks count down. This approach has worked so far, as evidenced by many posting on here who have done just that. Perhaps I am foolish (time will tell) but I am continuing to sit tight. Our next cruise is in May and I am increasingly of the view that it will be cancelled and we will get a 100% cash refund. FCC is of no interest to us at all, even 125%. As others have said, in these exceptionally volatile times where anything could happen, cash is King! Alternatively, the itinerary will change beyond all recognition. We booked a Norwegian Fjords Cruise, so if we end up with a proposed itinerary that bears no resemblance to that, it would constitute a breach of contract in my book and we would also be entitled to a 100% refund. Having paid by credit card, we also have an added level of protection, should we need it. Up until now I had been taking the same stance with our 30 April booking. I had very nearly cancelled when they previously changed their terms because of the FCO advice about underlying conditions but held on just in case there was a better offer. Eating my cake and having it too! When our Princess cruise was cancelled in February 2 months prior to sail date we received a full refund PLUS 25% FCC. It seems clear now that P and O will not be playing that game so I might as well go ahead and cancel now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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