TMLAalum Posted April 5, 2020 #326 Share Posted April 5, 2020 A close relative and her husband are in their early 60s. They will be able to sail sans doctor's note despite the fact that he has suffered a major heart attack, had blood clots in the leg that required a month's hospitalization, is diagnosed with congestive heart failure, is significantly overweight and unable to meet the guidelines for flying of being able to walk 100 yards and climb 12 steps. She's had no major health issues but would have difficulty walking the length of the average cruise ship. Meanwhile, my DH & I who are over a decade older than they, walk 2-3 miles a day and (pre-covid) work out at the gym several times a day with high blood pressure controlled by meds will not be able to cruise again, unless this dr. clearance requirement is lifted. What physician would be willing to open herself up to potential professional and financial liability by signing off on this form? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molly361 Posted April 5, 2020 #327 Share Posted April 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Captain Billy Bob said: One of the most at risk segments of the general population from the virus. Yet they will be allowed to sail and the fit 70+ year old whose doctor does not want the liability and won't sign the letter will be denied boarding 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorraineP Posted April 5, 2020 #328 Share Posted April 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, TMLAalum said: A close relative and her husband are in their early 60s. They will be able to sail sans doctor's note despite the fact that he has suffered a major heart attack, had blood clots in the leg that required a month's hospitalization, is diagnosed with congestive heart failure, is significantly overweight and unable to meet the guidelines for flying of being able to walk 100 yards and climb 12 steps. She's had no major health issues but would have difficulty walking the length of the average cruise ship. Meanwhile, my DH & I who are over a decade older than they, walk 2-3 miles a day and (pre-covid) work out at the gym several times a day with high blood pressure controlled by meds will not be able to cruise again, unless this dr. clearance requirement is lifted. What physician would be willing to open herself up to potential professional and financial liability by signing off on this form? Insane, that is why either everyone needs to get a doctor to sign off or no one, not just 70’s. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted April 5, 2020 #329 Share Posted April 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, Captain Billy Bob said: One of the most at risk segments of the general population from the virus. Even without the virus. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted April 5, 2020 #330 Share Posted April 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, LorraineP said: Insane, that is why either everyone needs to get a doctor to sign off or no one, not just 70’s. That should put the finishing touch on sinking the industry. Just think, the cruise lines market themselves as a relaxing and luxurious vacation but, just in case, you need a physician to sign off stating that you are physically capable of handling it. Besides the fact that doctors won't put themselves at risk by signing, it doesn't create a sense of well being for the potential customer. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
work2cruis Posted April 5, 2020 #331 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Maybe they need to ask-- * do you wash your hands after using the restroom? *will you agree to hand sanitize every time you go into a food area or use the elevator? *are you going to excessively drink alcohol and fall down? Chris 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted April 5, 2020 #332 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, work2cruis said: Maybe they need to ask-- * do you wash your hands after using the restroom? *will you agree to hand sanitize every time you go into a food area or use the elevator? *are you going to excessively drink alcohol and fall down? Chris *are you going to over eat foods that you are not used to and go into congestive heart failure? *are you going to partake in activities that you are not used to and have a heart attack? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
work2cruis Posted April 5, 2020 #333 Share Posted April 5, 2020 *are you going to walk on your balcony railing and fall off the ship? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorraineP Posted April 5, 2020 #334 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) *put a weight limit on who can board Edited April 5, 2020 by LorraineP 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Billy Bob Posted April 5, 2020 #335 Share Posted April 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said: That should put the finishing touch on sinking the industry. Just think, the cruise lines market themselves as a relaxing and luxurious vacation but, just in case, you need a physician to sign off stating that you are physically capable of handling it. Besides the fact that doctors won't put themselves at risk by signing, it doesn't create a sense of well being for the potential customer. Sitting on a lounge chair by the pool while sipping an adult beverage and reading or napping can be very taxing. 🙄 Going to be lots of mostly empty ships in the future if they start denying boarding to every at risk passenger. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
work2cruis Posted April 5, 2020 #336 Share Posted April 5, 2020 If you are a regular cruiser you know that a large percentage of cruisers are overweight or obese. If they put a BMI restriction (which makes more sense than weight restriction) on passengers of say 30 the ships would sail empty. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorraineP Posted April 5, 2020 #337 Share Posted April 5, 2020 31 minutes ago, work2cruis said: If you are a regular cruiser you know that a large percentage of cruisers are overweight or obese. If they put a BMI restriction (which makes more sense than weight restriction) on passengers of say 30 the ships would sail empty. Chris So sad the obesity rate in the USA. The 70 year olds are probably in better health then them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
work2cruis Posted April 5, 2020 #338 Share Posted April 5, 2020 I see plenty of folks over 70 who tip the scales at a high level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wr1 Posted April 5, 2020 #339 Share Posted April 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Ocean Boy said: How so? Simple if rules are in place. FOLLOW the RULES. Don’t think about just yourself. Think about every one else’s to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted April 5, 2020 #340 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 hours ago, wr1 said: Simple if rules are in place. FOLLOW the RULES. Don’t think about just yourself. Think about every one else’s to. Still don't understand how that note protects anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted April 5, 2020 #341 Share Posted April 5, 2020 8 hours ago, work2cruis said: *are you going to excessively drink alcohol and fall down? Does falling down into my bed at night count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted April 5, 2020 #342 Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, LorraineP said: *put a weight limit on who can board Sounds good. A minimum of 100 lbs should filter out most of the kids 🙂 Edited April 5, 2020 by zekekelso 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Billy Bob Posted April 5, 2020 #343 Share Posted April 5, 2020 4 hours ago, work2cruis said: I see plenty of folks over 70 who tip the scales at a high level. I also see plenty of passengers under 70 who tip the scales at a high point . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wr1 Posted April 6, 2020 #344 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Its a note from your dr saying you are safe to cruise. You are not a danger to yourself or anyone else. They are taking you on board on their ship in the middle of nowhere and to foreign countries that may not have the healthcare to take care of you. Why put yourself in risk or put someone in the position to try to help you. It simple follow the rules or stay home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtazz17 Posted April 6, 2020 #345 Share Posted April 6, 2020 8 hours ago, work2cruis said: If you are a regular cruiser you know that a large percentage of cruisers are overweight or obese. If they put a BMI restriction (which makes more sense than weight restriction) on passengers of say 30 the ships would sail empty. Chris Lol,nope. I will be on it. Bmi 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtazz17 Posted April 6, 2020 #346 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Everyone should relax. There wont be cruising for quite a while. This not requirement will change. This has been a one off big time never happened in our lifetime to this scale event. Let it settle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted April 6, 2020 #347 Share Posted April 6, 2020 29 minutes ago, wr1 said: Its a note from your dr saying you are safe to cruise. Problem is, nobody (certainly no doctor) knows what that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted April 6, 2020 #348 Share Posted April 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, zekekelso said: Problem is, nobody (certainly no doctor) knows what that means. If he/she read through the 14 pages of this thread and still doesn't get it you aren't going to get through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted April 6, 2020 #349 Share Posted April 6, 2020 41 minutes ago, wr1 said: It simple follow the rules or stay home. Your right, it is simple. If I needed a note, which I don't, I could write my own.😉 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squadron Posted April 6, 2020 #350 Share Posted April 6, 2020 On 4/2/2020 at 2:09 PM, Etta1213 said: If a person is on blood pressure meds, doing fine, will that be enough to exclude him? Isn't that better than a person being undiagnosed and therefore not treated? I also think about the seniors who walk laps around the ship, use the stairs, etc, drink only moderately, have extensive travel experience and understand safety in ports, etc. I just find the doc note to be potentially hurtful and offensive unless applied to all across the board. Agree - I have noticed many "younger" people who seem to require scooters and walkers. All require note regardless of age. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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