RCCL requires Drs, note

[LMaxwell]

No doctor worth their leased Mercedes would sign that 

[DaniDanielle]

Kids have plenty of places to enjoy themselves on the  ship..  It is nice to have a place to go for some peace and quiet.  It won’t kill them to be excluded from the Solarium.  I think the parents are more the problem.  We have sailed with all of our grandchildren and observed the restrictions and lived  to tell the tale!!!!!!

[Mapleleafforever]

7 minutes ago, DaniDanielle said:

Kids have plenty of places to enjoy themselves on the  ship..  It is nice to have a place to go for some peace and quiet.  It won’t kill them to be excluded from the Solarium.  I think the parents are more the problem.  We have sailed with all of our grandchildren and observed the restrictions and lived  to tell the tale!!!!!!

And it won't kill those over 70 to get a note from a Dr. 

[DaniDanielle]

Nobody said it would.  I really hope I am around to see some of you get older and realize  

what life is all about as we age.  My kids like to make fun of our ages but someday reality will set in.

[Mapleleafforever]

2 minutes ago, DaniDanielle said:

Nobody said it would.  I really hope I am around to see some of you get older and realize  

what life is all about as we age.  My kids like to make fun of our ages but someday reality will set in.

And no one said kids would die from being excluded from the Solarium so why say it?

I think I have a pretty good grasp of what life is all about, thanks. 

I wish you good health in these times of uncertainty. 

[crewsweeper]

The "form" is rather simple.  Don't think it would be a big deal to get signed, unless you are in the restricted categories.

 

I think once the testing becomes more wide spread, test result requirements will also be required.  Especially for older cruisers.  But that might remove/reduce some of the more onerous restrictions. 

[Ocean Boy]

1 hour ago, Mapleleafforever said:

And it won't kill those over 70 to get a note from a Dr. 

 

30 minutes ago, crewsweeper said:

The "form" is rather simple.  Don't think it would be a big deal to get signed, unless you are in the restricted categories.

 

I think once the testing becomes more wide spread, test result requirements will also be required.  Especially for older cruisers.  But that might remove/reduce some of the more onerous restrictions. 

Maybe the form is simple but the legal implications of signing it could be far reaching. I already commented on it many posts ago (#108). I would be hard pressed to put my signature on that piece of paper.

[molly361]

5 minutes ago, Ocean Boy said:

 

Maybe the form is simple but the legal implications of signing it could be far reaching. I already commented on it many posts ago (#108). I would be hard pressed to put my signature on that piece of paper.

I guess that means I can't get your address and send Dan's form to you ti sign😇

[rtazz17]

40 minutes ago, crewsweeper said:

The "form" is rather simple.  Don't think it would be a big deal to get signed, unless you are in the restricted categories.

 

I think once the testing becomes more wide spread, test result requirements will also be required.  Especially for older cruisers.  But that might remove/reduce some of the more onerous restrictions. 

Wouldnt make any sense at all to have a test to prove your negative. You can trst negative for 5 days after actually having it. Maybe everone gets quarantined by royal carib b4 cruising? I mean where does it end? Want to be in lock down? Be careful what you wish for. How many other viruses or deadly diseases should you have a note for when traveling? Maybe just use common sense to protect yourself. You have a better chance to be struck by lighning then getting this virus. Do you get paranoid walking outside? A little perspective goes a long way. The media has created a narrative out of ignorance. They could easily ease peoples fears about this but then they would lose viewers and then the media couldnt sell advertisement time for as much. Theres many levels to this virus. People will get rich off it and people will go bankrupt. Pretty sad.

Edited March 16, 2020 by rtazz17

[Blizzard54]

45 minutes ago, rtazz17 said:

Wouldnt make any sense at all to have a test to prove your negative. You can trst negative for 5 days after actually having it. Maybe everone gets quarantined by royal carib b4 cruising? I mean where does it end? Want to be in lock down? Be careful what you wish for. How many other viruses or deadly diseases should you have a note for when traveling? Maybe just use common sense to protect yourself. You have a better chance to be struck by lighning then getting this virus. Do you get paranoid walking outside? A little perspective goes a long way. The media has created a narrative out of ignorance. They could easily ease peoples fears about this but then they would lose viewers and then the media couldnt sell advertisement time for as much. Theres many levels to this virus. People will get rich off it and people will go bankrupt. Pretty sad.

 

I agree that we need to use common sense and the note may be a overboard but I do think we have a better chance of getting the virus than being struck by lighting.

[MISTER 67]

I just talked to my PCC's with Princess and HAL, both said that their cruise line would never ever institute a program like needing a Doctors OK to travel on one of their ships, RCCL and Celebrity are pissing off a lot of people who make up a large portion of their clientele.

Edited March 16, 2020 by MISTER 67

[Starry Eyes]

5 hours ago, crewsweeper said:

The "form" is rather simple.  Don't think it would be a big deal to get signed, unless you are in the restricted categories.

 

I think once the testing becomes more wide spread, test result requirements will also be required.  Especially for older cruisers.  But that might remove/reduce some of the more onerous restrictions. 

Perhaps you do not usually think like a doctor, but try for a few minutes.  Consider the medical-legal implications for the physicians considering signing that “simple form” for older cruisers who wish to go to sea, this sailing away from hospitals and specialists during a pandemic.  If they become seriously ill, the doctor might be opening themselves up to a lawsuit.  And the doctor may well believe all their older patients are better off staying close to domestic health services and practicing social distancing right now.

 

 

[gadaboutgal]

DH 70+ went to our family physician this morning:  took along the Royal "fit to travel" form.  Dr. said no he would not sign it, and no doctor in the U.S. would sign it even for someone 50 years old and in perfect health.    

[Judyrem]

1 hour ago, gadaboutgal said:

DH 70+ went to our family physician this morning:  took along the Royal "fit to travel" form.  Dr. said no he would not sign it, and no doctor in the U.S. would sign it even for someone 50 years old and in perfect health.    

Quite understandable IMO.

[CruisinNole]

19 hours ago, MISTER 67 said:

I just talked to my PCC's with Princess and HAL, both said that their cruise line would never ever institute a program like needing a Doctors OK to travel on one of their ships, RCCL and Celebrity are pissing off a lot of people who make up a large portion of their clientele.

According to CLIO, cruisers over the age of 70 make up 13% of total cruisers. That doesn't sound like a large portion to me. I do agree with you that the note from a doctor to cruise certainly is upsetting the over 70 cruisers. I hope it and the hoarding of TP both go away when we have control of the virus.

[MISTER 67]

41 minutes ago, CruisinNole said:

According to CLIO, cruisers over the age of 70 make up 13% of total cruisers. That doesn't sound like a large portion to me. I do agree with you that the note from a doctor to cruise certainly is upsetting the over 70 cruisers. I hope it and the hoarding of TP both go away when we have control of the virus.

I guess it depends on what line, certainly Holland American has way over 13% over 70s sailing with them, Princess and Celebrity maybe not quite 50%. RCCL, Carnival, MSC and NCL more like 13%. I have no way of knowing the actual figures but based on my 62 cruises I think I would be pretty close. 

Edited March 17, 2020 by MISTER 67

[CruisinNole]

34 minutes ago, MISTER 67 said:

I guess it depends on what line, certainly Holland American has way over 13% over 70s sailing with them, Princess and Celebrity maybe not quite 50%. RCCL, Carnival, MSC and NCL more like 13%. I have no way of knowing the actual figures but based on my 62 cruises I think I would be pretty close. 

They didn't break it down by cruise line and this is just an average but I've been on over 60 cruises myself on 4 of the cruise lines you mentioned and I wouldn't go so far as to say that 50% of any cruise was over the age of 70, except maybe a TA. I've found that just because someone looks 70, doesn't mean they are!

[MISTER 67]

14 minutes ago, CruisinNole said:

They didn't break it down by cruise line and this is just an average but I've been on over 60 cruises myself on 4 of the cruise lines you mentioned and I wouldn't go so far as to say that 50% of any cruise was over the age of 70, except maybe a TA. I've found that just because someone looks 70, doesn't mean they are!

Can't prove you wrong but I will disagree on Holland America, IMHO HAL cruises  have at least 50% over 70, one of my pastimes on cruises is people watching and I'm pretty sure on this one point. The longer the cruise, the older the crowd.

[Roger88]

1 minute ago, MISTER 67 said:

Can't prove you wrong but I will disagree on Holland America, IMHO HAL cruises  have at least 50% over 70, one of my pastimes on cruises is people watching and I'm pretty sure on this one point. The longer the cruise, the older the crowd.

I would even say its 70% of people of like 60+ age. Its sounds kinda symbolic really. Never thought I would be  travelling a bunch of elderly people. I was 24 when I went on my first transatlantic cruise and it felt as if I was the only young guy on board. The rest of people were some old German and American dudes. Maybe it was first time in my life when I thought of life and dead... and the ocean. The cruise was 7 days from NY to Hannover. 

[TexasRCH]

I am 75 and have diabetes.  The way I read the form is says I can not cruise. My Doctor agrees by the way. The form does not say any thing abut being well controlled  It just says diabetes.  .  Therefore I have canceled my cruise for 15 family members in July. 

[Blizzard54]

1 hour ago, CruisinNole said:

They didn't break it down by cruise line and this is just an average but I've been on over 60 cruises myself on 4 of the cruise lines you mentioned and I wouldn't go so far as to say that 50% of any cruise was over the age of 70, except maybe a TA. I've found that just because someone looks 70, doesn't mean they are!

When we took a Panama Canal cruise back in 1984 on HAL we were only 30. Got to know some of the crew pretty well.  They to us that out of the 1200 pax onboard, 57 were under the age of 65. 

[TYinPalmSprings]

On 3/16/2020 at 10:58 AM, DaniDanielle said:

Kids have plenty of places to enjoy themselves on the  ship..  It is nice to have a place to go for some peace and quiet.  It won’t kill them to be excluded from the Solarium.  I think the parents are more the problem.  We have sailed with all of our grandchildren and observed the restrictions and lived  to tell the tale!!!!!!

I was in the Solarium when this multi-generational family entered the area. Included in their group was a small boy under 5. HE walked over to the pool, stood on the edge, pulled out his little thing and urinated in a perfectly arched stream into the pool . The family laughed. The pool was shut down for the rest of the day and the day following.

[bonsai3s]

8 minutes ago, TYinPalmSprings said:

I was in the Solarium when this multi-generational family entered the area. Included in their group was a small boy under 5. HE walked over to the pool, stood on the edge, pulled out his little thing and urinated in a perfectly arched stream into the pool . The family laughed. The pool was shut down for the rest of the day and the day following.

 

Got a laugh out of that one...but took it seriously a bit later.

 

Just reminded us of the time we were in Brussels, Belgium.  We were offered free beer by the locals.  Didn't know why.  Then we discovered the world famous "Maneken Pis" statue of the little boy peeing in the fountain...was peeing beer.  It was free to all...tourists and locals.  We accepted...I had to two cups.  Fond memories.

[2cruisers in Georgia]

24 minutes ago, TexasRCH said:

I am 75 and have diabetes.  The way I read the form is says I can not cruise. My Doctor agrees by the way. The form does not say any thing abut being well controlled  It just says diabetes.  .  Therefore I have canceled my cruise for 15 family members in July. 

So sad that you have to cancel your family cruise because of this ridiculous letter from the doctor.  I'm 72 and very upset about the required letter.  Now that we are at the age when we don't have to ask off at work or make sure we have a sitter or anything else but go, then now we have to see a doctor and even if whatever we have is under control, we still can't go.  My favorite thing to do is cruise and I've always liked Royal Caribbean best but now if some of the other cruise lines (as mentioned above) don't require a letter, I might have to forget the loyalty program.  I've been on 77 cruises (23 were not Royal) and every one was great so I'll have to give up my loyalty and they will be giving up someone who has introduced many many friends and family members to their cruise ships.

[TYinPalmSprings]

18 minutes ago, bonsai3s said:

 

Got a laugh out of that one...but took it seriously a bit later.

 

Just reminded us of the time we were in Brussels, Belgium.  We were offered free beer by the locals.  Didn't know why.  Then we discovered the world famous "Maneken Pis" statue of the little boy peeing in the fountain...was peeing beer.  It was free to all...tourists and locals.  We accepted...I had to two cups.  Fond memories.

I was there a couple years ago and chuckled at the peeing boy fountain. No beer for me but got hooked on Belgium fries with mayonnaise.