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Canada bans all cruise ships carrying more than 500 passengers until July 1st

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This will impact the Alaska cruise itineraries and possibly early season New England/Canada cruises 

From the article below

 

Transport Minister Marc Garneau said the government is also taking additional measures to ban cruise ships carrying more than 500 people from stopping in Canada until July 1, 2020. That comes on the heels of a warning from Tam not to travel on cruise ships.

“These decisions were not easy to make,” he said. “We are aware of the impacts they will have.”


https://globalnews.ca/news/6671621/justin-trudeau-coronavirus-travel/

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Careful of your wording, dns65.
The ban is for 500 people - not "passengers", per your title.
It is 500 people, including crew.

Also of note: Transport Minister Marc Garneau says that the government will re-examine the ban after June 30.
 

My take on this: with a ratio of crew to passengers of, say, 1:2, this effectively bans passenger-carrying ships with more than about 333 passengers - the vast majority. The ban also includes ferries, so this will affect the year-round traffic between the BC mainland and Vancouver Island.
Secondly, in the big scheme of things, Canada is, relatively, peanuts in the global cruise industry (by comparison, if the USA instigated something like this, it might prove catastrophic for some cruise companies). And in practice, this only affects the first half of the Alaska cruise season, out of Vancouver (season starts end of April/early May). The east coast season doesn't start in earnest until Fall foliage season in September, so is barely affected by this decision.
There are also a very few 'expedition' cruises into the North West Passage. These may well carry less than 333 passengers anyway.

 

Third point: because of "The Jones Law", all non-US registered cruise ships (the vast majority of them) must put into a foreign port before disembarking passengers at a US port that also embarked at a US port. Example: Alaska cruise Seattle to Seattle might, say, call in at Victoria BC to solve this ongoing annoyance. Until July 01, they can now no longer do this. And there is no other country nearby that could be substituted. So this is going to upset the whole Alaska cruise industry, not just those working out of Canadian ports. It will not affect, though, the river cruise ships working out of Portland OR, because they are US-registered.
It will be interesting to see how the cruise industry is going to react to this decision, which, in my opinion, is another kick in their teeth.
If the US was to at least temporarily repeal the Jones Law, this would certainly help - and not just in the Pacific North West.

Edited by Canuker

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For those lines canceling for 30 days now, the reality is Alaska starts in early May and there is little opportunity to redeploy any of the 24 or so ships heading there.

Even with a suspension of the foreign port regulation, how many ships can Seattle handle for 7 day cruises?

Re-evaluating not until 6/30 kills the rest of this year, in my mind. 

Edited by jimmieg
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3 hours ago, Canuker said:

Careful of your wording, dns65.
The ban is for 500 people - not "passengers", per your title.
It is 500 people, including crew.

 

The subject that I posted was taken from the article that the link refers to.  Here is the text from the article, blame Global not me

 

Incoming air travel will also be restricted to landing at certain airports and all cruise ships carrying over 500 passengers are barred from docking in Canada until later in the summer.

 

Since we're giving each other advice......   Careful of posting incorrect information Canuker it does not apply to BC Ferries.  😉

 

From the link below

While this measure does not apply to ferries or smaller vessels at this time, the Government of Canada is also developing an approach to ensure health measures are strengthened in all passenger vessels across Canada.


https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canada/news/2020/03/government-of-canada-announces-intention-to-defer-the-start-of-cruise-ship-season-in-canada-as-covid-19-response-measure.html

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Touché, dns65!
Thanks for posting a link to the original government notice about this.
Always helpful.

 

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To be clear, from the article linked: 

 

As a response to COVID-19, the Government of Canada will defer the start of the cruise ship season in Canada, from April 2, 2020, to July 1, 2020, at the earliest. This deferral will apply to cruise ships capable of carrying more than 500 passengers and crew members. ( emphasis mine)

 

I read that to mean a shipboard population greater than 500...total of passengers and crew. 

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What the alternative? We’re booked for HAL transpacific April 16th but supposed to dock in Canada. Seattle’s a huge port. Is it for cruise passengers? What is farther south? San Diego?


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Temporary waiver to Jones Act possible, in order to help out Alaska towns that depend a lot on cruising.

 

If such a waiver takes place, then ships could bypass Canadian cities, perhaps spend another one half day at sea.

 

Might even result in eventual repeal of Jones Act.

 

 

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, hltconductor said:

Temporary waiver to Jones Act possible, in order to help out Alaska towns that depend a lot on cruising.

 

If such a waiver takes place, then ships could bypass Canadian cities, perhaps spend another one half day at sea.

 

Might even result in eventual repeal of Jones Act.

 

 

 

 

 

We can but hope.

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